could be that someone was wearing mones [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] but perhaps you were
feeling just a bit nervous in the situation?
I was asked to help with a dance class the other day. There were maybe 20 women in the class and about
15 men. I spend a lot of time with women of all ages and looks. I am usually pretty comfortable around them. But
I had trouble speaking and my heart was racing. I couldn\'t believe the way I was feeling. I had to stop and
calm myself down by taking some deep breaths as disceetly as possible.
How do men react to women\'s pheromones?
Is it possible one of those ladies was playing the same game as me? Do any of you guys have experience on the
receiving end of pheromones?
could be that someone was wearing mones [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] but perhaps you were
feeling just a bit nervous in the situation?
I\'d have to guess that it probably wasn\'t -mones because I highly doubt that they would cause men
to become unable to speak...at least in theory, one would assume that women who use -mones would want their male
\'targets\' to talk to them, not become bumbling nervous wrecks.
Pancho
PS: Okay, I admit it. I was in
your dance class, too, and was wearing -mones to mess with you... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
Yeah, right... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
well, one day one of my friends suddenly appeared so attractive, like having an aura, that made me just
not stop looking at her, i\'m sure she was wearing mones, or something similar but i\'ve known this girl for a
long time and its like this one day she suddenly appeared stunning...even though she had not done anything to her
hair or anything
Does that mean your friend was wearing pheromones, though?
I suppose I could have been nervous. I
had an important function to attend later on and it was on my mind. Also had something else going on. So, my
nerves could have been very tight and being around all those women, some of whom were very sexy, could have pushed
me past my self-control.
That just seems so unusual. I don\'t get tongue-tied around women and I sure don\'t
feel my heart beating in my ears.
I was just curious about what it\'s like when a man encounters a woman
wearing pheromones.
I think it would depend on which phero that they are wearing. -Nol is something that is present in
products that for men and women. It is know for influencing people to be more chatty reguardless of sex. For
example I get really chatty hits from wearing SOE from women and men (if I\'m not careful
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] ).
As for copulins, they strike me as the female version of
-none. Use too much and . . . [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] . . .
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] . . . [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img] . . .
.
--------------------
<font color=\"blue\"> -SwingerMD </font>
Wearing EW in my hair has made men stutter and lose their train of thought for several minutes at a
time, especially after getting really close, like with dancing or a hug. It\'s not a nervous thing, but more of a
sudden-mind-going-blank-and-obviously-trying-to-remember-what-the-conversation-was-about-because-they\'re-suddenly
-focused-on-sex kind of thing. I posted on it ages ago the first time it happened, and I don\'t think I\'m the
only one. I think FTR or Elana has had the same thing happen.
And it was very diluted EW, so that even
I couldn\'t smell it, so it wasn\'t the smell that was making them speechless.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
Perhaps, being a little apprehensive about what was coming after the class, and being in so small an
area with so many women, I was just getting naturally excited. It would be interesting to meet a woman who is
wearing pheromone supplements and then learn that after the initial encounter. I\'d like to know what it feels
like.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Wearing EW in my hair has made men
stutter and lose their train of thought for several minutes at a time, especially after getting really close, like
with dancing or a hug. It\'s not a nervous thing, but more of a
sudden-mind-going-blank-and-obviously-trying-to-remember-what-the-conversation-was-about-because-they\'re-suddenly
-focused-on-sex kind of thing. I posted on it ages ago the first time it happened, and I don\'t think I\'m the
only one. I think FTR or Elana has had the same thing happen.
And it was very diluted EW, so that even
I couldn\'t smell it, so it wasn\'t the smell that was making them speechless.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I\'d have
to say that that\'s not very reliable.........because drop-dead gorgeous women make men speechless, anyway...
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
Perhaps those drop-dead gorgeous women that make men speechless are producing more copulins than the
average woman.
--------------------
<font color=\"blue\"> -SwingerMD </font>
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Wearing EW in my hair has made men stutter and lose their train of thought
for several minutes at a time, especially after getting really close, like with dancing or a hug. It\'s not a
nervous thing, but more of a
sudden-mind-going-blank-and-obviously-trying-to-remember-what-the-conversation-was-about-because-they\'re-suddenly
-focused-on-sex kind of thing. I posted on it ages ago the first time it happened, and I don\'t think I\'m the
only one. I think FTR or Elana has had the same thing happen.
And it was very diluted EW, so that even
I couldn\'t smell it, so it wasn\'t the smell that was making them speechless.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I\'d have
to say that that\'s not very reliable.........because drop-dead gorgeous women make men speechless, anyway...
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
True.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
Some of you will remember Wolfe. He learned about pheromones from his girlfriend. When she was getting
ready to move to the east coast in a job transfer she gave him the last of her mones and explained that was how she
caught him. He told me the first time he met her he was almost speechless and believes it was the pheromones.
Several months ago I was in the grocery store and a woman came up behind me in line. She either was wearing
synthetic mones or had a lot of natural excretions. I sensed her from four feet away before turning around! Nearly
gave myself whiplash. She was about average in appearance but sure was attractive. Normally, I talk to almost
anybody but I was, for once in my life, tongue tied. What made it worse was when she noticed, she started to
giggle.
So, yes i do believe mones can do that to a man.
Wolfe where are you??? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Bel, your story supports
the theory that DIHLs are sexual in nature, and more than just confusion. I have seen some debate over whether a
DIHL was just sensory overload or whether a feeling of attraction is also involved.
I used to think it was
confusion etc, but seeing the smiles I have gotten after DIHLs, particuarly from older women who are more
comfortable with what is going on, I have come to believe it is sexual. Then again, it is possible to get DIHLs
from same sex heteros, so who knows [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]?
Perhaps the biology
that causes the feeling of sexual attraction is going on in all cases though.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I sensed her from four feet away before
turning around! Nearly gave myself whiplash. She was about average in appearance but sure was attractive. Normally,
I talk to almost anybody but I was, for once in my life, tongue tied.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">Bel-
I\'ve had the same type of experience myself. It\'s like you feel her near long before
you see her and you just have to look. I really don\'t think that in my case, the girl was wearing synthetics,
though. Every time I run into this girl I get that flustered/tongue tied thing. She\'s very cute, but not
necessarily drop-dead gorgeous, so I don\'t attribute it to her appearance. Besides, like I said, I felt her
\"presence\" before I ever saw her.
Regarding synthetics:
I have a friend who has been having intimacy
problems w/ her bf. She knows I\'m into EOs and we\'ve talked about the aphrodesiac qualities of certain EOs
before. So I crafted an \"aphrodesiac\" blend for her. I mixed up a nice fragrance and spiked it w/ pheros. It
is much lower in concentration than what the ladies on the forum seem to use, but is was also intended for intimate
situations so I felt that the minimalist approach would be best. I told her that it contained some powerful
aphrodesiacs and that it is best saved for time w/ her bf, rather than for wearing out in public. She\'s not
looking for hits from other guys. She has worn it around me a few times. The concentration seems to be appropriate
since I don\'t notice any effect unless I\'m sitting right next to her or she asks me to smell it and give my
opinion as to whether it suits her. I can\'t say that it induced an intense DIHL reaction. However, I have
noticed that it has a definite effect on me. I feel flushed and my heart races. My reactions seem very
automatic/instinctual. It\'s kinda hard to put into words. I get this mild-moderate \"other worldly\" feeling.
I get an irresistable urge to inhale the scent and to kiss her. That actually happened the first time...took a
whiff of her neck and kissed her on the application area...just as I\'ve had women do to me when I use pheros.
Like I said, it was just automatic and I wasn\'t really thinking about it at the time. Luckily, we\'re very
close friends so this wouldn\'t have freaked her out or anything. One thing is certain, it makes me feel VERY
HORNY. She tells me that it makes HER feel VERY HORNY too.
I\'ve been exploring whether DIHLs are a form of trance, similar to hypnosis. They have a lot of
similarities. If they are, the potential for suggestability is interesting.
Interesting stuff. From what I have read about copulins, I don\'t see how they can have an airborne
effect. They seem to addict men through sexual intercourse to the women who secrete them. But I\'m no expert.
Maybe I missed something.
I think there were a lot of pheromones in that room. Maybe there were synthetics and
maybe not. I\'ll get another chance to see if I have a similar reaction in a few days although it won\'t be
exactly the same crowd.
I don\'t remember ever having anything like a stupifying DIHL reaction to a girl.
There are times when I\'ve just wanted to look. But I didn\'t feel lost or clouded.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I\'ve been exploring whether DIHLs
are a form of trance, similar to hypnosis. They have a lot of similarities. If they are, the potential for
suggestability is interesting.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Bel-
I know the issue of exactly
what a DIHL response is has been discussed before. IMO, what I would consider a DIHL reaction seems much less
intense and rather brief, more like being temporarily awestruck. I have seen the really intense reactions, more
like a DIOS, and they do seem to be trance like (and rare). I\'ve never found them to be useful. It seems as if
the person is so out of it that they\'re kinda incapacitated...can hardly move or speak, virtually unresponsive.
The first time I witnessed this, it was really freaky. Of course, I don\'t know that it was any less bizarre on
subsequent occasions.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I have seen some debate over whether a
DIHL was just sensory overload or whether a feeling of attraction is also involved.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">I think it\'s a bit of both.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Interesting stuff. From what I have
read about copulins, I don\'t see how they can have an airborne effect.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">No disrespect, but how else would you explain it?
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
They seem to addict men through sexual intercourse to the women who secrete
them.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Are you saying that the effect is after the fact or post
coitus?
I read a technical paper on how copulins work a few weeks ago. I do not have the URL for reference.
According to that paper, the longer the man stays inside his partner, the more copulins actually flow into him. He
eventually becomes susceptible to a woman\'s suggestions (or, so the researcher argues).
You can read the same
information on this Web
site:
[url=\"http://www.copulins.freeservers.com/index.html\"]http://www.copulins.freeservers.com/index.html[/u
rl]
This is probably the source for the information in the technical paper I read.
According to this
researcher, copulins are not airborne. She does not talk about \"addiction\" or bonding a man to a woman through
copulins. That may be something the writer of the other paper picked up somewhere else. Or it may be a bunch of
nonsense.
But I haven\'t found any technical papers which argue that copulins make women more attractive to
men. It seems to me that women would be repelled by copulins from other women because they didn\'t have a hold on
the man with the copulins (if that makes sense). There seems to be no consensus on whether copulins can be
detected.
But their function appears to be something other than an airborne signal carrier.
Thanks for the link. While I haven\'t had a chance to look over the whole site, I do see some
assertions that seem questionable. For example: \"Most couples who have been together long enough know that the
female has the ability to \"control\" the male\'s behavior.\" Or...\"When copulins are transmitted from female
to male, a dramatic change occurs: the male\'s brain is completely open to the female\'s input.\" You could
also argue that it\'s due to incessant nagging. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
After a
brief perusal of her site all I can say is...hmmmmm.
\"copulins detect male semen\", \"travel through the
penile duct and into the gonads where they are then transmitted by the bloodstream directly to the hypothalamus\"
and \"mutates the hypothalamus for its own purposes.\" \"The more often copulins are transmitted to the male
hypothalamus, the quicker they take effect, because the copulins themselves inhibit the hypothalmus from remembering
how to correctly function when a foreign agent enters it. The hypothalamus \"thinks\" the copulins are its own
hormones and allows the copulins to shut down its own directive.\" Yet another good reason to use condoms.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
I also noticed that she asserts that \"All pheromones are
detected by the vomeronasal organ via the nose\". I don\'t know that there is a consensus that all pheros are
detected by the VNO or that it is required for them to be effective.
She says that cops are not airborne, but
cops are acids...correct. If acids weren\'t capable of being airborne, then how is it that we can smell acids.
It makes me wonder why I get the same reaction to inhaling cops from a bottle as I do from the \"scent\" of an
aroused woman. Simply put, it turns me on. While one could argue that this reaction is merely a conditioned
response resulting from prior \"experience\", it wouldn\'t explain having the same reaction to that \"scent\"
during a makeout/heavy petting session as a young teen...before I ever had intercourse. Long before I ever had
intercourse, it was still turned me on.
I suppose that for now, I\'ll try to keep an open mind and take a
closer look at what she has to say. If nothing else, this could stimulate some interesting discussion on the forum.
One researcher (Astrid Jutte) found that men\'s testosterone levels jumped when they sniffed
copulins. Other researchers have done brainscans on men sniffing estrogen-like substances and noticed the men\'s
brains light up in the sex-response areas. Smelling these female substances causes measurable responses in men.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
It seems to me that women would be
repelled by copulins from other women because they didn\'t have a hold on the man with the copulins (if that makes
sense). There seems to be no consensus on whether copulins can be detected.
<hr /></blockquote><font
class=\"post\">
This relates to a question I once asked about cops. PCC and EW are different \"types\" of
cops. How many different types of cops can women produce, and how many does an individual woman produce?
If a
woman produces just one type, and it is the same as a synthetic product, wouldn\'t she believe those cops are
hers?
Could this explain why in a few cases, men have said wearing cops does increase the connection with their
mate, or a stranger felt like they had known them for years?
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
After a brief perusal of her site all
I can say is...hmmmmm.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
After what may be an even more brief
perusal, and especially after reading: \"It has been widely accepted by the hormonology community....\" I can only
say the information is of little use, since most of it is, at best, misleading. For example, I\'ve never before
seen a reference to \"the hormonology community.\" The study of hormones is called endocrinology, not
hormonology.
Note that Astrid Jutte has shown that sniffing copulins increased testosterone levels in men
(exactly as was anticipated from animal studies). The information presented on the linked site ignores data from
animal and human studies and presents incorrect assumptions, which appear to be based on extremely questionable data
gathered by the site\'s author.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I\'ve been exploring whether DIHLs are a form of trance, similar to
hypnosis. They have a lot of similarities. If they are, the potential for suggestability is interesting.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Bel-
I know the issue of exactly what a DIHL response is has been discussed
before. IMO, what I would consider a DIHL reaction seems much less intense and rather brief, more like being
temporarily awestruck. I have seen the really intense reactions, more like a DIOS, and they do seem to be trance
like (and rare). I\'ve never found them to be useful. It seems as if the person is so out of it that they\'re
kinda incapacitated...can hardly move or speak, virtually unresponsive. The first time I witnessed this, it was
really freaky. Of course, I don\'t know that it was any less bizarre on subsequent occasions.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
It sounds like you consider DIHL and DIOS as an on/off condition. More
likely it is a series of states ranging from no response to totally incapacitated. Once a person has come back to
earth from a DIHL, are they really in full control of their faculties? I don\'t think so. It seems more likely
thay will slow;y resume normal functioning over a period of time, in part based on the continuing exposure to mones,
or lack of. If that is correct, once they have started back to earth, the person should be much more susceptable to
suggestion. The majority of people readily accept suggestion anyway, even in a normal state. A person whose higher
functions have just been overwhelmed should accept suggestion more readily than normal.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I\'ve been
exploring whether DIHLs are a form of trance, similar to hypnosis. They have a lot of similarities. If they are, the
potential for suggestability is interesting.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Bel-
I know the
issue of exactly what a DIHL response is has been discussed before. IMO, what I would consider a DIHL reaction
seems much less intense and rather brief, more like being temporarily awestruck. I have seen the really intense
reactions, more like a DIOS, and they do seem to be trance like (and rare). I\'ve never found them to be useful.
It seems as if the person is so out of it that they\'re kinda incapacitated...can hardly move or speak, virtually
unresponsive. The first time I witnessed this, it was really freaky. Of course, I don\'t know that it was any
less bizarre on subsequent occasions.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
It sounds like you
consider DIHL and DIOS as an on/off condition. More likely it is a series of states ranging from no response to
totally incapacitated. Once a person has come back to earth from a DIHL, are they really in full control of their
faculties? I don\'t think so. It seems more likely thay will slow;y resume normal functioning over a period of
time, in part based on the continuing exposure to mones, or lack of. If that is correct, once they have started back
to earth, the person should be much more susceptable to suggestion. The majority of people readily accept suggestion
anyway, even in a normal state. A person whose higher functions have just been overwhelmed should accept suggestion
more readily than normal.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Not necessarily on or off. I think the
difference between the two is a matter of intensity and duration, a matter of degrees if you prefer. Women seem to
recover from a DIHL rather quickly and easily, by comparison. I\'ll never forget one incident where 3 girls where
in a DIOS for a very long time (maybe 30 minutes, probably longer). The one that I was targeting (closest to me)
became virtually unable to speak, she struggled to do so but just couldn\'t make it happen. She was unresponsive
to touch or suggestion...aside from smiling and bowing her head. Every few minutes I would turn and talk to some
guys sitting at the bar on the other side of me because trying to keep the conversation going w/ these ladies
(especially my target) became rather tedious. None of them could hold EC for more than a few seconds before they
would take on a submissive posture...the bizarre thing was that they were acting in unison. During the first 10
minutes or so of interacting w/ these women, they behaved normally...talkative and outgoing. One of their friends
had to pull this girl off the bar stool and drag her out the place when they were ready to leave. She was totally
out of it, but did seem to be coming around once her friend \"broke the spell\". Obviously this incident involved
alcohol and I can only think of one time when the girl was not drinking...not that anything this intense has
happened that many times. I do recall one time that the woman may have been open to suggestion, since she was more
than happy to oblige when I said that we should go back to her place. However, this particular woman was not nerely
as out of it as the ones mentioned above...I don\'t think she\'d had as much to drink as the others. Can\'t
really say for sure, I could be wrong about that. If these things weren\'t so rare, it would be much easier to
test the suggestability theory.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
After what may be an even more brief
perusal, and especially after reading: \"It has been widely accepted by the hormonology community....\" I can only
say the information is of little use, since most of it is, at best, misleading. For example, I\'ve never before
seen a reference to \"the hormonology community.\" The study of hormones is called endocrinology, not
hormonology.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Not to seem argumentative, as I value your opinion in
such matters, the word \"hormonology\" can be found in the literature. It is an older term but I can point to
some examples of concurrent use with \"endocrinology\" (such as
this one) in recent online discussion groups.
So, I
have no real opinion on the value of the Web site I referred to above, other than that it does contain some of the
assertions I had read elsewhere.
But I have been around long enough to know that garbage is widely and evenly
distributed on the Internet.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Note that Astrid
Jutte has shown that sniffing copulins increased testosterone levels in men (exactly as was anticipated from animal
studies). The information presented on the linked site ignores data from animal and human studies and presents
incorrect assumptions, which appear to be based on extremely questionable data gathered by the site\'s
author.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Cannot argue with you there, although I have found very
little about Astrid Jutte\'s work. Numerous mentions in passing, but that is about it.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Not to seem argumentative, as I value
your opinion in such matters, the word \"hormonology\" can be found in the literature. It is an older term but I
can point to some examples of concurrent use with \"endocrinology\" (such as
this one) in recent online discussion groups.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Will take your word for it, thanks. Guess I should have first done a
search--such a simple thing. Still, I was
biased overall by a very \"scatterbrained\" approach. The author needs
much more foundation for many assertions.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
So, I
have no real opinion on the value of the Web site I referred to above, other than that it does contain some of the
assertions I had read elsewhere.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
That\'s part of the problem for
me; repeating assertions that have no basis in fact may sometimes bias others against the facts. For example, if
you\'ve been told for years that visual input is most important to the development of food preferences (it\'s
unlikely that this is the case), you might repeat this assertion to your kids et.al. Soon many people might believe
that food preferences are based upon visual appeal of the food, just like many people believe that mate preferences
are based on visual appeal rather than conditioned to olfactory input (e.g, pheromones).
</font><blockquote><font
class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
But I have been around long enough to know that garbage is widely and
evenly distributed on the Internet.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Agreed, sometimes it\'s
difficult to determine what\'s correct.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
... I
have found very little about Astrid Jutte\'s work. Numerous mentions in passing, but that is about it.
<hr
/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
For a while, I had a link to her homepage at Ludwig Bolzman Institute; not
sure it\'s still there. Her work was published
in German, which may help explain why she is not more widely known
in the US. But also, she has not done any pheromone research for several years, which is a
shame.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Retrieve&list_uid s=9483874&
;dopt=Abstract
A name search should turn up more, but her name shows up under two spellings Jutte and
Juette, or sometimes with pronunciation cues.
Okay. For the record, I will accept that copulins are airborne and have been shown to have an impact
on male physiology in that mode of contact.
Thanks for the link.
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
extremely questionable data gathered by
the site\'s author.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">After looking over that site, I\'m inclined to
agree w/ you. I was really impressed by the section \"Ongoing Research\" where she states \"More and more
research appears to support that copulins transmit orally also.\" However, her own \"research\" results show
that according to 81% of her survey respondants \"oral sex...had NO effect\" and she only mentions one other
\"researcher\" whose results seem to contradict her own. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] I also
found the Q & A section particularly amusing.
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