a target that is a smoker

[squaw]

Ok first post

here, kinda new with the mones, I did read to the 300th page of this board though.

Just ordered NPA a week ago.

I did order Alter ego, but it was from somewhere else. the bottle looked legit but ive tried it for over a month

without anything unusual. I did read another post about someone ordering AE from some other company which it smelled

like a bandaid, as mine does, which didn\'t work for him either.

Anyway, The woman that I\'m after is a

smoker, and I read all over that smokey rooms can negatively effect mones, so will this make it harder for her to

notice me?

I am 27 she is 30. I can be \"bad\", but knowing what this woman has been through with her adusive

husband, I don\'t feel comfortable being like that with her, which left me as \"the nice guy\".

I think the

AE might have had an effect on her a few times, I used 2 drops when I went to her place to watch her kids for her

then about 5-4 hours i refreshed with 2 dabs from a perfume sampler, so would that be 3 drops? Ive tried 3 drops at

once and i think it might have made her angry plus her kids were there usual evil selves. But both times I tried 2+

a refresh before she got home one day her and me were sitting at her table when a guy she works with came by. we all

sat at the table with him across the table from me and her in between. but she completely turned her body towards me

and talked with me, it was like she was ignoring him.

And like a week ago after she came home from work we talked

for a while, but she usualy claims to go to sleep and kicks me out shortly after she comes home. I know the guy she

works with usualy comes by after i leave, but I think he comes over there with drugs for her. I hate that, but thats

her I guess. Tattoos, anger, love, kids, tushie and toesies and everything else that is her is what I love about

her.

So that\'s why the NPA is my choice. I think she just sees me as a friend now, She knows how I feel about

her, she said looks dont matter to her, but said she doesnt want to screw up our friendship. I hope NPA and a change

of my attitude will change her mind, I know she likes the bad boys. I feel like just the babysitter now.

I know

what most of you here think of smokers, me too, I don\'t smoke, but this woman is amazing, and I want her more

than words can say. I\'m going to post the whole story about us soon to see what others here can make any

suggestions on how to get her.

[CJ01]

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am 27 she is 30. I can be \"bad\", but knowing

what this woman has been through with her adusive husband, I don\'t feel comfortable being like that with her,

which left me as \"the nice guy\".


<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> say what?

the answer to

your question though is no basically.
welcome to the forum btw

CJ

[Elana]

Smoking will

be the least of your problems. I just checked out your profile/website. If you keep this girl on a pedestal, you

will never get what you want. I sure hope she doesn\'t know about your shrine to her.

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Welcome to the forum.

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[franki]

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If you keep this girl on a pedestal, you will

never get what you want. I sure hope she doesn\'t know about your shrine to her.

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That\'s right. You probably have to treat her like sh** to get her.

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Oh yeah, welcome to the forum.

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[Elana]

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If you keep this girl on a pedestal, you will never get what you want. I

sure hope she doesn\'t know about your shrine to her. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]





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That\'s right. You probably have to treat her like sh** to get

her. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Stop it,

Franki. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[CJ01]

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If you keep this girl on a pedestal, you will never

get what you want.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> I wouldn´t mind

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[squaw]

i think im

going to back off for a while, I think she got the idea about how I feel about her and that I care, but really,

it\'s time for her to buy the cow and stop getting the milk for free.

just give her a hint of the other side of

me and leave for a while. I dont want to sound like an arrogant ahole, but she needs me more than she thinks

[Elana]

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If you keep this girl on a pedestal, you will never get what you want.



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> I wouldn´t mind [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Did you read his post? When he leaves another man is coming over. It

doesn\'t seem like things are working too well this way, does it? He seems to be a great babysitter, but if she is

kicking him out as soon as she gets home..that\'s all he is right now. A babysitter

[CJ01]

hehe, just

checked that profile. Dunno whether to say, sort some little things out or just laugh. One interesting point

though made though, same goes for some guys.

[squaw]

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am 27 she is 30. I can be \"bad\", but knowing what this woman has been

through with her adusive husband, I don\'t feel comfortable being like that with her, which left me as \"the nice

guy\".


<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> say what?

the answer to your question though is no

basically.
welcome to the forum btw

CJ

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thanks for the

welcome
no to what? the smoker thing, or no to getting her?

[Icarus]

Don\'t

want to sound offensive, but from what you\'ve described, she may be taking you for a chump.

Um... Welcome to

the board, though! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Grow a beard. That\'ll help.

Steve

[CJ01]

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she may be taking you for a chump.

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> or he´s being too impatient. Maybe she´s just not that interseted, in the

same way.
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[Elana]

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Don\'t want to sound offensive, but from what

you\'ve described, she may be taking you for a chump.

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Unless

you forgot to mention the good stuff, I agree with Ssssssst. It doesn\'t appear to be the healthiest situation for

you to be in. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Elana]

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i think im going to back off for a while, I think

she got the idea about how I feel about her and that I care, but really, it\'s time for her to buy the cow and

stop getting the milk for free.

just give her a hint of the other side of me and leave for a while. I dont want

to sound like an arrogant ahole, but she needs me more than she thinks

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class=\"post\">

That\'s probably a very good idea. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Holmes]

I\'d

say.


Holmes

[squaw]

She told me

before that a lot of her relationships ended because the guy always thought she was sleeping around with someone

else, which wasn\'t true. and whenever I thought something was going on with her and someone, I was always wrong.

so about this other guy I think its just the drugs, and she knows that I hate that sh!t.

But hey back to my

question ok, with her smoking, will it be harder for her to sence the mones?

[Elana]

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But hey back to my question ok, with her smoking,

will it be harder for her to sence the mones?

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Yes

[squaw]

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i think im going to back off for a while, I think she got the idea about how

I feel about her and that I care, but really, it\'s time for her to buy the cow and stop getting the milk for

free.

just give her a hint of the other side of me and leave for a while. I dont want to sound like an arrogant

ahole, but she needs me more than she thinks

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That\'s probably a

very good idea. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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class=\"post\">

she gets kind of possesive to, like one day she called like 14 times but I didn\'t answer

(just ignoring her!) than the next day she called and told me she was trying to call all night. I said i just got

back. she asked \"where, from texas?\" I thought hey you had you chance to \"own me\"

I am going with

Phantoms post from a while back. Ignore her for a while and come back like my feeling for her have gone and ive

moved on. Then never tell her again. when we first met she was very flirty which I thought was odd. but there was no

fellings for her, until one day i realized there might be something there. and when I told her it kinda stopped. I

know what you all want to say, I thought about it too. thats what I mean, women want men who don\'t want them and

when the guy does admit they want her, she doesnt want them. I loved women and respected them until I fell in love

with one. Who cares anymore.

[CJ01]

I already said

no I mean the difference is minute!
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I know for sure I even

buzz myself out sometimes [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[squaw]

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But hey back to my question ok, with her smoking, will it be harder for her

to sence the mones?

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Yes

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class=\"post\">
So should I try using more drops or just give it more time?

[Holmes]

Sorry dude,

but that sounds like a weird situation.

Back away slowly. For a while, anyway.


Holmes

[Elana]

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Sorry dude, but that sounds like a weird

situation.

Back away slowly.

Holmes

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Slowly? I

say run for your life.

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but this woman is

amazing,

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a drug using Mother, doesn\'t sound like such an

awesome catch.

[CJ01]

hm, depends on

the drugs [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] oh

well, just be friends

[belgareth]

Squaw,



you really need to get out and meet some other women. From everything you\'ve said so far it sounds like

she is using you for a babysitter and companion, nothing more. Even if that is wrong, if you do get together she is

not going to change her behavoir, she is still going to be hanging out with these guys and doing drugs. Looking at

it from here it sounds like you are walking into a lot of hurt.

[Holmes]

Definitely.


Holmes

[belgareth]

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Sorry dude, but that sounds like a weird situation.

Back away

slowly.

Holmes

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Slowly? I say run for your

life.

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but this woman is amazing,

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a drug using Mother, doesn\'t sound like such an awesome catch.



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What she said

[CJ01]

Why is she

using him? If you are friends you help each other out. And helping someone doesn´t entitle one to a shag.
Dunno,

but after what you´ve written about her ex and stuff, it wouldn´t surprise me if she´d rather have some time off

from relationships and the like.

[belgareth]

Maybe

using is the wrong word. I think he is in the \'Let\'s Just Be Friends\' zone and he has little chance of

going beyond that.

[Elana]

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Why is she using him? If you are friends you help

each other out. And helping someone doesn´t entitle one to a shag.
Dunno, but after what you´ve written about her

ex and stuff, it wouldn´t surprise me if she´d rather have some time off from relationships and the like.

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As soon as she gets home she tells him that she is sleepy so he should

leave. Then another guy comes over.

All of her other boyfriends used to accuse her of sleeping around. I wonder

why all of them would do that if she really wasn\'t. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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CJ..how

much wine have you had tonight? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[squaw]

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Squaw,

you really need to get out and meet some

other women. From everything you\'ve said so far it sounds like she is using you for a babysitter and companion,

nothing more. Even if that is wrong, if you do get together she is not going to change her behavoir, she is still

going to be hanging out with these guys and doing drugs. Looking at it from here it sounds like you are walking into

a lot of hurt.

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she changed before, it was a lot worse. we met in

an adult education program. she tried to get her life back together after leaving her abusive husband, quit drugs.

then she gets a job where she works for minimum wage and works crappy hours to pay bills and keep everything going,

then her dad dies who she hadnt seen in 13 years. she came back here just enough to spend about 7 months with him.

that is what put her over the edge. she started drinking a lot too. I told her that if she keeps drinking, I\'ve

got no reason to be here anymore, she doesnt feel the same way as I do about us, so what was the point? she really

slowed down on the drinking and im sure she will stop soon. so I guess I mean something to her right?