Saddam Hussein captured

[franki]

Pancho, how

about you say what YOU think? This whole \"playing the devil\'s advocate\" thing makes it very difficult to

argue with you..

[Elana]

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Pancho, how about you say what YOU think. This

whole \"playing the devil\'s advocate\" thing makes it very difficult to argue with you..

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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">I agree. Pancho..tell us how you feel.

[belgareth]

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Panco

Rather than being upset, I for one appreciate and agree with your

argument. We have children starving in this country yet we spend our tax dollars starting a war for spurious

reasons? Several people have made good points about the real reasons we are there and frankly, we do not belong in

Iraq. The world is a better place without people like Saddam but we helped him get there in the first place. We are

a democratic society yet we cannot abide by the decisions of a world wide democracy we claim to support and go to

war against the popular vote?

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Can you see why it would be so

unfair of me to say that we shouldn\'t get involved? What if the US never got involved in WW2. I probably

wouldn\'t be here today along with the rest of the 13 million Jews left in the world today.

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Yes Elana, I understand your point. I also feel that Saddam was nowhere

near the threat Hitler was and we created the monster in the first place. Not only that, we are still supporting

other monsters similar to him. We should have not supported him and our dollars should not be going to support

others like him. The war in Iraq had nothing to do with whether he was killing his people, weapons of mass

destruction or even about 9-11. It is about money and power. If Saddam had not thwarted the US\'s demand for cheap

oil, we would not have been there at all.

I oppose sending billions of tax dollars around the world while

children go hungry in this country and people cannot afford proper medical care and senior citizens are forced to

eat cat food to survive and our military veterans get shafted and our social security system gets robbed to pay the

government\'s debts.

[CJ01]

I wonder if my

relative(s) name is mentioned somewhere... I´ll never find I suppose.

[Elana]

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The 13 million people who died in WWII died with

dignity and purpose. Their deaths will forever be remembered as millions of brave souls who held their beliefs in

the face of death and will live on in eternity as the great people that they were. However, if they didn\'t die,

other people would\'ve.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> What a load of crap. Is that supposed to

make me feel better?

[CJ01]

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Pancho, how about you say what YOU think? This

whole \"playing the devil\'s advocate\" thing makes it very difficult to argue with you..


<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> I understand where he´s coming from (I think).

[Pancho1188]

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Pancho, how about you say what YOU think. This whole \"playing the

devil\'s advocate\" thing makes it very difficult to argue with you..

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class=\"post\">I agree. Pancho..tell us how you feel.

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I\'ll

get back to you on that. That whole \"devil\'s advocacy\" bit drained the life out of me. Seriously, that was

exhausting mentally and emotionally. I\'ll come back later when I\'m refreshed.

[Holmes]

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I oppose sending billions of tax dollars around the

world while children go hungry in this country and people cannot afford proper medical care and senior citizens are

forced to eat cat food to survive and our military veterans get shafted and our social security system gets robbed

to pay the government\'s debts.

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I agree.


Holmes

[Elana]

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Yes Elana, I understand your point. I also feel

that Saddam was nowhere near the threat Hitler was and we created the monster in the first place.

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He may not be nowhere near Hilter\'s evil, but the thousands of mass

graves that they are finding show how horrible he was to his people.

[Elana]

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I oppose sending billions of tax dollars around

the world while children go hungry in this country and people cannot afford proper medical care and senior citizens

are forced to eat cat food to survive and our military veterans get shafted and our social security system gets

robbed to pay the government\'s debts.


<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> I understand your point

as well, but if we would stop spending tax money on say, meauring how fast ketchup flows from a bottle (yes, we

really do that) then we could take care of our own and the world ten times over. We waste so much money on pure

crap. We do need to take care of our own. No question about it.

[CJ01]

I think he was

just as evil! But he didn´t evade all the neighbouring countries (well he did try kuwait, but ...)
Hitle was a

psycho, saddam´s just a sadistic pig [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] And I despise both of them

[Kari]

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I oppose sending billions of tax dollars around the world while children go

hungry in this country and people cannot afford proper medical care and senior citizens are forced to eat cat food

to survive and our military veterans get shafted and our social security system gets robbed to pay the

government\'s debts.


<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> I understand your point as well, but if we

would stop spending tax money on say, meauring how fast ketchup flows from a bottle (yes, we really do that) then we

could take care of our own and the world ten times over. We waste so much money on pure crap.

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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

That\'s correct. We DO wate milllions on silly \"studies.\"

[CJ01]

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I have a feeling that for the most part, Iraqi

children are not very happy.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> No they´re not!!!!



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We waste so much money on pure crap

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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> you got it! But what government does not?!

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] it´s totally nuts

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[Kari]

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Panco

Rather than being upset, I for one appreciate and agree with your argument. We have children starving

in this country yet we spend our tax dollars starting a war for spurious reasons? Several people have made good

points about the real reasons we are there and frankly, we do not belong in Iraq. The world is a better place

without people like Saddam but we helped him get there in the first place. We are a democratic society yet we cannot

abide by the decisions of a world wide democracy we claim to support and go to war against the popular vote?



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Can you see why it would be so unfair of me to say that we

shouldn\'t get involved? What if the US never got involved in WW2. I probably wouldn\'t be here today along with

the rest of the 13 million Jews left in the world today.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Yes

Elana, I understand your point. I also feel that Saddam was nowhere near the threat Hitler was and we created the

monster in the first place. Not only that, we are still supporting other monsters similar to him. We should have not

supported him and our dollars should not be going to support others like him. The war in Iraq had nothing to do with

whether he was killing his people, weapons of mass destruction or even about 9-11. It is about money and power. If

Saddam had not thwarted the US\'s demand for cheap oil, we would not have been there at all.

I oppose sending

billions of tax dollars around the world while children go hungry in this country and people cannot afford proper

medical care and senior citizens are forced to eat cat food to survive and our military veterans get shafted and our

social security system gets robbed to pay the government\'s debts.

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

We also blew off the threat to the Jews, for a long time. 

[Holmes]

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We DO wate milllions on silly \"studies.\"



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But studies in Silliness could potentially bring the world

together!


Holmes

[Kari]

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Studies in silliness could potentially bring the

world together.


Holmes

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Only if they involved the right

kinds of silliness. Like... sex.

[Elana]

I can\'t

even remember how much money was spend on that whole Elian Gonzolez thing, but it was probably enough to feed a

third world country.



http://www.whattheheck.com/ebay/elian5.html

[CJ01]

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But studies in Silliness could potentially bring

the world together!

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> but music´s better, and cheaper kinda!

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
When´s the casting for mamma mia gonna start?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Elana]

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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
But studies in Silliness could potentially bring the world together!

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> but music´s better, and cheaper kinda!

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
When´s the casting for mamma mia gonna start?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]



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Habbib Mohammad is up for the role of Father Alexandrios.

[Pancho1188]

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The 13 million people who died in WWII died with dignity and purpose. Their

deaths will forever be remembered as millions of brave souls who held their beliefs in the face of death and will

live on in eternity as the great people that they were. However, if they didn\'t die, other people would\'ve.



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> What a load of crap. Is that supposed to make me feel better?



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Okay, no warning on this one because this is me being

analytical. However, this does NOT mean I agree with what I said earlier, I\'m just using logic here to

explain that it\'s not so far-fetched.

Load of crap, you say? Think about it. Had the US not moved in at

all, Hitler would\'ve taken over Europe, went after Russia, and then came after the US and millions of people

would\'ve died. Had they moved in earlier, they would\'ve added to the melee and those 13 million dead people

would consist of more United States citizens, those in the German army, and people in the areas in which they would

have fought. Also, the US ended this war by dropping nuclear bombs on innocent people. They killed a bunch of

people, too. Does that make them any better?

As they say, the winners write the history books...

[Elana]

You just

don\'t know when to quit

[CJ01]

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Had the US not moved in at all, Hitler would\'ve

taken over Europe,

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> he´d already taken over most of it. But I have

more faith in the brits and french and other european countries. I kind of believe that hitler would have been

beaten sooner or later. BUT sooner is better than later!

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The 13 million people who died in WWII died with dignity and purpose.



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> that really IS crap I agree with Elana

[belgareth]

If the

nuclear weapons had not been used, how many more innocent people would have died? The equation is pretty lopsided,

it saved lives. Should we have invaded Germany earlier? IMO YES! But I still see a world of difference between

Hitler and Hussien. We had a major hand in creating Hussien and it should have never happened. We are making the

same mistake in other countries right now. We should stop supporting those monsters now instead of waiting until

they are no longer useful to us. Wrong is still wrong whether or not they give lip service to the US and our allies.



Once we lost control of Iraq we decided to attack them. Now that we have killed thousands of people we are

trying to make a profit out of it and use it as a bludgeon against other countries that felt we were in the wrong.

Just because you have military power does not justify the use of it.

[franki]

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he´d already taken over most of it. But I have

more faith in the brits and french and other european countries. I kind of believe that hitler would have been

beaten sooner or later. BUT sooner is better than later!



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We would live in a communist Europe now if the Yankees would not have been involved.

[Elana]

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We had a major hand in creating Hussien and it

should have never happened. We are making the same mistake in other countries right now. We should stop supporting

those monsters now instead of waiting until they are no longer useful to us. Wrong is still wrong whether or not

they give lip service to the US and our allies.


<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I agree!

[CJ01]

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But I still see a world of difference between

Hitler and Hussien.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> yes there is! Hitler was some genius - one

reason he was so damn dangerous, that and the fact that he had some freudian issues with his mother, and was just a

totally unstable maniac!
Hitler started out as someone who was doing a lot of good thing for his country and then

turned round and went insane. Saddam´s a way different story.

[Holmes]

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Just because you have military power does not

justify the use of it.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Unless you have something to hide. Then, of

course, it\'s okay.


Holmes

[CJ01]

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I think that\'s wrong. We would live in a

communist Europe now if the Yankees would not have been involved.


<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

NO! definately not I´m certain. But of course that´s what the americans feared at the time. And perhaps why

they´re still stationed in germany - to make sure it stays democratic. Yeah right, germany´s way more democratic

than the USA has been recently!

[franki]

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Hitler started out as someone who was doing a

lot of good thing for his country and then turned round and went insane.

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class=\"post\">

Ouch! That is exactly what the (neo)-nazi\'s say these days... That man was insane FROM

THE BEGINNING. Saying things like that would put you in the far-right corner in Germany..

[CJ01]

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Hitler started out as

someone who was doing a lot of good thing for his country and then turned round and went insane.




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Ouch! That is exactly

what the (neo)-nazi\'s say these days... That man was insane FROM THE BEGINNING. Saying things like that would put

you in the far-right corner in Germany..

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
those are facts! Check

the history some more and you´ll see. and it would not put me into a right wing corner either!
You´re right though,

neo nazis do use this as an arguement.