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    Default Experiences with beta-androstenol

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    Hi,

    I hope to get my beta-androstenol soon and can contribute my experiences.

    Has anybody on the forum

    experiences with beta-androstenol?
    Experiences with Pheromax don\'t count since

    Pheromax contains alpha-androstenol

    Aplha-androstenol oxidates to none over

    time. Am I right to assume that beta-nol oxidates to beta-none over time? Any comments about the

    consequences?

    Have fun,
    MysteriousMan

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    where did you get the beta nol?

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    Hi,

    I hope Bruce will sell it to us sometimes. It is much harder to test when there aren\'t enough

    members of this forum with experience.

    Have fun,
    MysteriousMan

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    Default So what\'s in WAGG?

    I thought that

    WAGG contained the beta-nol but only know that as a rumor.

    What does WAGG contain?

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    They

    sell it somewhere else and claim that is has shown more response in EEG tests. They say it\'s also converted by

    bacteria over time.

    Let\'s just be patient... test reports will come in... I as a beginner have plenty of tests

    yet to conduct with the established products.

    Once (and if) it\'s proven to be good I am sure Bruce will sell

    it!

    Sunny

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    They sell it somewhere else and claim

    that is has shown more response in EEG tests.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
    We know that some

    products
    - improve social contacts
    - or give sexual reactions
    - or elevate mood
    - or make you a great

    guy
    ...

    This is what I want to know about beta-nol. I don\'t care much about the length of a peak with

    undefined meaning in an EEG.

    MysteriousMan

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    I

    too find the claims of this other product interesting, but has anyone considered the fact that maybe bruce doesnt

    sell it for a reason? bruce has always given us quality products, so maybe this new stuff from another site is just

    nothing but snake oil.

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Hi,

    I hope to get my beta-androstenol soon and

    can contribute my experiences.

    Has anybody on the forum experiences with beta-androstenol?
    Experiences with

    Pheromax don\'t count since

    Pheromax contains alpha-androstenol

    Aplha-androstenol oxidates to none over

    time. Am I right to assume that beta-nol oxidates to beta-none over time? Any comments about the

    consequences?

    Have fun,
    MysteriousMan

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    you can find at a

    pheromone store on the net. its expensive though.

    Im sick of people saying that nol oxidizes. Lets drop this now

    please, becuase it doesnt happen in a relevant quantity.

    But what is beta-none? If its A1 or androstadienone, the

    anwser is no. A1 has 4-ene while beta-none derived from beta-nol has a 5-ene. This is derived from the figures

    from the study erox

    published.

    [url=\"http://www.erox.com/SixthSense/StoryOne.html\"]http://www.erox.com/SixthSense/StoryOne.html[/

    url]

    Really though I doubt beta nol is all that effective based on the study. But I would like to hear

    feedback.

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    Don\'t be so sure until you\'ve been through the archives on this issue. Conversion happens, and is well known

    as a very practical issue.

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    Could

    you please post this information? Im asking you to do it becuase you probably have a specific peice of evidence to

    post.


    I honestly think it will be futile though, as the rate at which alcohols oxideze upon exposure is an

    extensively documented sceintific phenominon. It has been show to occur at very very low rates.

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    Researches set out to detmine rates of oxidation of certain compounds in the atmosphere; they found that the OH

    radical was the strogest oxidizing agent present, and measured how effective an oxizing agent it

    was.

    Cyclopentanol cyclo-[(CH2)4 CH]OH was shown to have a rate of 10.7±0.7 x 10^-12 cm3 per molecule per s.

    I chose a cylic alkanol of 5 C\'s, as that is very close to the structure of the A ring on nol, where the reaction

    procedes.

    For every 1,000,000,000,000 molecules of nol on your skin, you may find 10 molecules of

    None.

    http://jbcs.sbq.org.br/jbcs/1997/vol8_n5/13

    8.pdf


    Its fairly black and white.

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    The

    conversion is due to a complex interaction with skin bacteria and apocrine pheromones, see this reference and

    similar:

    J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 1994 Mar;48(4):409-18.
    Comparison of 16-androstene steroid

    concentrations in sterile apocrine sweat and axillary secretions: interconversions of 16-androstenes by the axillary

    microflora--a mechanism for axillary odour production in man?

    Gower DB, Holland KT, Mallet AI, Rennie PJ, Watkins

    WJ.

    Department of Clinical Biochemistry (Steroid Laboratory), London Hospital Medical College, England.

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    What Irish said, although the conversion rate is still slow (from practical experience) in most places on the body.


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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    My

    experience is that nol changes into a smellier and different substance if left on my skin overnight. This happens

    even with careful scrubbing beforehand with anti-bacterial soap (you can never kill off skin bacteria - only

    suppress it for a time).

    Individuals have differing bacteria colonies on their skin and may have different

    results.

    To avoid the change I often put pheros on my clothing or clean hair.

    Some might even LIKE the

    converted pheros on their skin. But I\'ve only gotten negative reactions from overnight pheros on the skin (\"You

    need a bath!!\" - very embarrasing). To each his/her own...


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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    I, too, was curious about that beta nol product, but I have my doubts about the value. Not to mention

    the quality factor.

    The lack of any field reports, raises some concerns about spending money on this stuff...even

    at the reduced \"beta testing\" price.

    They also seem to have some consistant customer service

    issues.

    Don\'t think that I\'ll be buying any of it any time soon.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

    I\'m a die hard L-S man, anyway. We all know Bruce is a

    businessman of integrity. He probably would carry it if he thought it was a quality product and could sell it at a

    fair price.

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    I allowed myself to spend some money for my personal research budget in the last months. Some money is

    wasted without any doubt, some money turned out to be spent for a real good deal. In average it turned out to be a

    good thing for me to spend a certain amount for things I don\'t know before. Besides mones, this includes several

    books on different topics of psychology, some workshops where I had fun and learned much (which is almost the same

    for me).

    So I have no problem to spend some money out of my personal and hard earned research budget for beta-nol

    and share my experience. But I hope some others will do, too.

    MM

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    Got it. Lets start research.

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    Thanks for the good posts, guys. I\'m starting to wonder whether Mr. Jones has been \'trolling\'. (I think I

    have the right term.)

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    If

    anyone is still interested in comparing experiences with this product I\'ll be happy to share. This is the first

    product I purchased. It\'s probably amazing I made a second purchase (from a different site).

    I purchased this

    product prior to finding this site and gathering information from reading past threads and info provided by L-S.




    kat

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    Hey Kat-

    Welcome to the forum.

    I\'m sure everyone here would appreciate hearing about your beta

    nol experiences.

    Post away! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    Hi,

    this is my first experience with beta-androstenol.

    I used it for two days in my \"usual test

    environment\" with people I know for years.
    Since it is my usual test environment, this isn\'t just a test of

    beta-androstenol, it is also a test of the *lack* of the usual pheromones I wear when I\'m there.

    My impression

    is that the people around me were *very* friendly to me. Not talkative, nothing sexual, just very friendly.

    I

    also percieved this friendlyness from people I don\'t know.

    Don\'t see this as a study. It is my first

    impression of two days testing.

    Seems to be a good thing for a working environment in a team. I think this will

    be my next test.

    Have fun,
    MysteriousMan

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    Folks,

    I am convinced that the product that everyone is talking about here does not contain any beta-NOL at

    all.

    In the beginning we were told that Pheromax contained beta NOL and it turned out to be false. I am

    quite sure there is still not a single commercial source of beta NOL on the market at the moment.

    I have

    discussed this matter in some detail with Stone Labs and the makers of WAGG, neither of whom were very impressed

    with the use of *real* beta-NOL. Although the makers of WAGG have been very guarded about what might be included

    in their formula, they were very to the point that it was *not* beta-NOL (or any current commercially produced

    pheromone) and that their limited experience with the substance (beta-NOL) was not positive.

    That brought me

    to this \"dai mondai\" as they say in Japanese:
    1. Everyone is keen to know if beta NOL works and if so, how

    is it different from the other phero chemicals.
    2. Reputable manufactures who have tested the product have not

    been impressed and therefore it hasn\'t been included in any commercial products.
    3. But tests so far have

    been very tentative and we don\'t really know for *sure* if there is merit to the stuff or not.
    4. Last but

    not least there are a number of people who *think* it is contained in a questionable product that I am convinced

    does not contain beta NOL at all.

    So after much discussion and thought we have decided the only solution is

    to release a verifiable source of real beta-NOL, which you can test for yourselves and be certain contains what it

    is supposed to. It will take it\'s place alongside the other pure pheromone chemicals in the pheromone chemistry

    set from Stone Labs. Expect that to appear by the end of this coming week.

    I think this approach makes the

    best sense. If users find that the stuff works and/or has effects any different than the normal NOL, great! We

    will begin to incorporate it into products, but waiting for results to come in via the current unstable situation

    was worse than bad.

    I\'m confident this will solve the problem.

    Cheers,
    Bruce

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    Wow.

    Thanks Bruce. I really appreciate y guys doing what you did with A-1 and beta-nol.


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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    How

    much will it cost?

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    How much will it cost?

    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Seems like somebody told me it was cheaper to make than regular NOL, but

    I\'m not sure. It is probably in the same neighborhood.

    Regards,
    B

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    Bruce,

    thanks for this very informative post.

    Pheromax:
    I\'ve been the one who told you that

    pheromax contains no beta-nol. So when I talk about beta-nol experience, you can be sure that I don\'t talk about

    pheromax.

    MysteriousMan

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    Default Re: Experiences with beta-androstenol

    OK---That was last November!!

    Has anyone gone out and purchased this and tested it??

    Do you have any

    results??

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    Bumpus...

    Surely _somebody_ has bought this stuff?

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    Gents,

    I finally ordered a bottle of beta-Nol over the weekend.
    Assuming that it ships today, I should have it

    by Wednesday or Thursday.
    I don\'t know what to expect, but it should be interesting being one of the few people

    on the forum actively experimenting with the stuff. I\'ll try to make damned sure that I see decidedly similar

    reactions, responses, and results MORE than just a couple of times before reporting on them.

    I\'ll probably use

    it solo on the first few sorties, then later incorporate it in lieu of alpha-Nol into my usual (but varied)

    multi-phero applications.

    How long I decide to use it solo will probably be decided as much by how good the

    stuff makes me feel as by the reactions it elicits. I know I can use \"A-Nol-only\" or \"primarily A-Nol-heavy\"

    mixes without detracting much from my game because they seem to work well for me from both the self-effect and the

    target-effect angles.
    But, hey, this stuff\'s a virtually unknown commodity, so it all remains to be seen.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

    I\'ll keep y\'all posted!

    I take the field

    optimistically.
    If I win, that is good.
    If I lose, that too is good,
    for I shall have learned how to better

    play the game.

    From the cutting edge of pheromone science,
    yours most sincerely,
    Oscar

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    Quote Originally Posted by oscar
    Gents,

    I

    finally ordered a bottle of beta-Nol over the weekend.
    Assuming that it ships today, I should have it by

    Wednesday or Thursday.
    I don\'t know what to expect, but it should be interesting being one of the few people

    on the forum actively experimenting with the stuff. I\'ll try to make damned sure that I see decidedly similar

    reactions, responses, and results MORE than just a couple of times before reporting on them.

    I\'ll probably

    use it solo on the first few sorties, then later incorporate it in lieu of alpha-Nol into my usual (but varied)

    multi-phero applications.

    How long I decide to use it solo will probably be decided as much by how good the

    stuff makes me feel as by the reactions it elicits. I know I can use \"A-Nol-only\" or \"primarily A-Nol-heavy\"

    mixes without detracting much from my game because they seem to work well for me from both the self-effect and the

    target-effect angles.
    But, hey, this stuff\'s a virtually unknown commodity, so it all remains to be seen.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

    I\'ll keep y\'all posted!

    I take the field

    optimistically.
    If I win, that is good.
    If I lose, that too is good,
    for I shall have learned how to

    better play the game.

    From the cutting edge of pheromone science,
    yours most sincerely,
    Oscar

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

    Hello Oscar,

    what did you find out about

    the beta-nol?

    Regards

    Indigo

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