where did you get the beta nol?
Hi,
I hope to get my beta-androstenol soon and can contribute my experiences.
Has anybody on the forum
experiences with beta-androstenol?
Experiences with Pheromax don\'t count since
Pheromax contains alpha-androstenol
Aplha-androstenol oxidates to none over
time. Am I right to assume that beta-nol oxidates to beta-none over time? Any comments about the
consequences?
Have fun,
MysteriousMan
where did you get the beta nol?
Hi,
I hope Bruce will sell it to us sometimes. It is much harder to test when there aren\'t enough
members of this forum with experience.
Have fun,
MysteriousMan
I thought that
WAGG contained the beta-nol but only know that as a rumor.
What does WAGG contain?
They
sell it somewhere else and claim that is has shown more response in EEG tests. They say it\'s also converted by
bacteria over time.
Let\'s just be patient... test reports will come in... I as a beginner have plenty of tests
yet to conduct with the established products.
Once (and if) it\'s proven to be good I am sure Bruce will sell
it!
Sunny
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They sell it somewhere else and claim
that is has shown more response in EEG tests.
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We know that some
products
- improve social contacts
- or give sexual reactions
- or elevate mood
- or make you a great
guy
...
This is what I want to know about beta-nol. I don\'t care much about the length of a peak with
undefined meaning in an EEG.
MysteriousMan
I
too find the claims of this other product interesting, but has anyone considered the fact that maybe bruce doesnt
sell it for a reason? bruce has always given us quality products, so maybe this new stuff from another site is just
nothing but snake oil.
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Hi,
I hope to get my beta-androstenol soon and
can contribute my experiences.
Has anybody on the forum experiences with beta-androstenol?
Experiences with
Pheromax don\'t count since
Pheromax contains alpha-androstenol
Aplha-androstenol oxidates to none over
time. Am I right to assume that beta-nol oxidates to beta-none over time? Any comments about the
consequences?
Have fun,
MysteriousMan
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you can find at a
pheromone store on the net. its expensive though.
Im sick of people saying that nol oxidizes. Lets drop this now
please, becuase it doesnt happen in a relevant quantity.
But what is beta-none? If its A1 or androstadienone, the
anwser is no. A1 has 4-ene while beta-none derived from beta-nol has a 5-ene. This is derived from the figures
from the study erox
published.
[url=\"http://www.erox.com/SixthSense/StoryOne.html\"]http://www.erox.com/SixthSense/StoryOne.html[/
url]
Really though I doubt beta nol is all that effective based on the study. But I would like to hear
feedback.
Don\'t be so sure until you\'ve been through the archives on this issue. Conversion happens, and is well known
as a very practical issue.
Could
you please post this information? Im asking you to do it becuase you probably have a specific peice of evidence to
post.
I honestly think it will be futile though, as the rate at which alcohols oxideze upon exposure is an
extensively documented sceintific phenominon. It has been show to occur at very very low rates.
Researches set out to detmine rates of oxidation of certain compounds in the atmosphere; they found that the OH
radical was the strogest oxidizing agent present, and measured how effective an oxizing agent it
was.
Cyclopentanol cyclo-[(CH2)4 CH]OH was shown to have a rate of 10.7±0.7 x 10^-12 cm3 per molecule per s.
I chose a cylic alkanol of 5 C\'s, as that is very close to the structure of the A ring on nol, where the reaction
procedes.
For every 1,000,000,000,000 molecules of nol on your skin, you may find 10 molecules of
None.
http://jbcs.sbq.org.br/jbcs/1997/vol8_n5/13
8.pdf
Its fairly black and white.
The
conversion is due to a complex interaction with skin bacteria and apocrine pheromones, see this reference and
similar:
J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 1994 Mar;48(4):409-18.
Comparison of 16-androstene steroid
concentrations in sterile apocrine sweat and axillary secretions: interconversions of 16-androstenes by the axillary
microflora--a mechanism for axillary odour production in man?
Gower DB, Holland KT, Mallet AI, Rennie PJ, Watkins
WJ.
Department of Clinical Biochemistry (Steroid Laboratory), London Hospital Medical College, England.
What Irish said, although the conversion rate is still slow (from practical experience) in most places on the body.
My
experience is that nol changes into a smellier and different substance if left on my skin overnight. This happens
even with careful scrubbing beforehand with anti-bacterial soap (you can never kill off skin bacteria - only
suppress it for a time).
Individuals have differing bacteria colonies on their skin and may have different
results.
To avoid the change I often put pheros on my clothing or clean hair.
Some might even LIKE the
converted pheros on their skin. But I\'ve only gotten negative reactions from overnight pheros on the skin (\"You
need a bath!!\" - very embarrasing). To each his/her own...
I, too, was curious about that beta nol product, but I have my doubts about the value. Not to mention
the quality factor.
The lack of any field reports, raises some concerns about spending money on this stuff...even
at the reduced \"beta testing\" price.
They also seem to have some consistant customer service
issues.
Don\'t think that I\'ll be buying any of it any time soon.
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I\'m a die hard L-S man, anyway. We all know Bruce is a
businessman of integrity. He probably would carry it if he thought it was a quality product and could sell it at a
fair price.
I allowed myself to spend some money for my personal research budget in the last months. Some money is
wasted without any doubt, some money turned out to be spent for a real good deal. In average it turned out to be a
good thing for me to spend a certain amount for things I don\'t know before. Besides mones, this includes several
books on different topics of psychology, some workshops where I had fun and learned much (which is almost the same
for me).
So I have no problem to spend some money out of my personal and hard earned research budget for beta-nol
and share my experience. But I hope some others will do, too.
MM
Got it. Lets start research.
Thanks for the good posts, guys. I\'m starting to wonder whether Mr. Jones has been \'trolling\'. (I think I
have the right term.)
If
anyone is still interested in comparing experiences with this product I\'ll be happy to share. This is the first
product I purchased. It\'s probably amazing I made a second purchase (from a different site).
I purchased this
product prior to finding this site and gathering information from reading past threads and info provided by L-S.
kat
Hey Kat-
Welcome to the forum.
I\'m sure everyone here would appreciate hearing about your beta
nol experiences.
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Hi,
this is my first experience with beta-androstenol.
I used it for two days in my \"usual test
environment\" with people I know for years.
Since it is my usual test environment, this isn\'t just a test of
beta-androstenol, it is also a test of the *lack* of the usual pheromones I wear when I\'m there.
My impression
is that the people around me were *very* friendly to me. Not talkative, nothing sexual, just very friendly.
I
also percieved this friendlyness from people I don\'t know.
Don\'t see this as a study. It is my first
impression of two days testing.
Seems to be a good thing for a working environment in a team. I think this will
be my next test.
Have fun,
MysteriousMan
Folks,
I am convinced that the product that everyone is talking about here does not contain any beta-NOL at
all.
In the beginning we were told that Pheromax contained beta NOL and it turned out to be false. I am
quite sure there is still not a single commercial source of beta NOL on the market at the moment.
I have
discussed this matter in some detail with Stone Labs and the makers of WAGG, neither of whom were very impressed
with the use of *real* beta-NOL. Although the makers of WAGG have been very guarded about what might be included
in their formula, they were very to the point that it was *not* beta-NOL (or any current commercially produced
pheromone) and that their limited experience with the substance (beta-NOL) was not positive.
That brought me
to this \"dai mondai\" as they say in Japanese:
1. Everyone is keen to know if beta NOL works and if so, how
is it different from the other phero chemicals.
2. Reputable manufactures who have tested the product have not
been impressed and therefore it hasn\'t been included in any commercial products.
3. But tests so far have
been very tentative and we don\'t really know for *sure* if there is merit to the stuff or not.
4. Last but
not least there are a number of people who *think* it is contained in a questionable product that I am convinced
does not contain beta NOL at all.
So after much discussion and thought we have decided the only solution is
to release a verifiable source of real beta-NOL, which you can test for yourselves and be certain contains what it
is supposed to. It will take it\'s place alongside the other pure pheromone chemicals in the pheromone chemistry
set from Stone Labs. Expect that to appear by the end of this coming week.
I think this approach makes the
best sense. If users find that the stuff works and/or has effects any different than the normal NOL, great! We
will begin to incorporate it into products, but waiting for results to come in via the current unstable situation
was worse than bad.
I\'m confident this will solve the problem.
Cheers,
Bruce
Wow.
Thanks Bruce. I really appreciate y guys doing what you did with A-1 and beta-nol.
How
much will it cost?
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Seems like somebody told me it was cheaper to make than regular NOL, but
I\'m not sure. It is probably in the same neighborhood.
Regards,
B
Bruce,
thanks for this very informative post.
Pheromax:
I\'ve been the one who told you that
pheromax contains no beta-nol. So when I talk about beta-nol experience, you can be sure that I don\'t talk about
pheromax.
MysteriousMan
OK---That was last November!!
Has anyone gone out and purchased this and tested it??
Do you have any
results??
Bumpus...
Surely _somebody_ has bought this stuff?
Gents,
I finally ordered a bottle of beta-Nol over the weekend.
Assuming that it ships today, I should have it
by Wednesday or Thursday.
I don\'t know what to expect, but it should be interesting being one of the few people
on the forum actively experimenting with the stuff. I\'ll try to make damned sure that I see decidedly similar
reactions, responses, and results MORE than just a couple of times before reporting on them.
I\'ll probably use
it solo on the first few sorties, then later incorporate it in lieu of alpha-Nol into my usual (but varied)
multi-phero applications.
How long I decide to use it solo will probably be decided as much by how good the
stuff makes me feel as by the reactions it elicits. I know I can use \"A-Nol-only\" or \"primarily A-Nol-heavy\"
mixes without detracting much from my game because they seem to work well for me from both the self-effect and the
target-effect angles.
But, hey, this stuff\'s a virtually unknown commodity, so it all remains to be seen.
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I\'ll keep y\'all posted!
I take the field
optimistically.
If I win, that is good.
If I lose, that too is good,
for I shall have learned how to better
play the game.
From the cutting edge of pheromone science,
yours most sincerely,
Oscar
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Originally Posted by oscar
Hello Oscar,
what did you find out about
the beta-nol?
Regards
Indigo
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