An Erox Lab Study

[Kari]

http://www.erox.com/SixthSense/StoryOne.html

[belgareth]

Good information.

[Sunny]

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2. Estratetraenol and androstadienone activate the

vomeronasal system in humans.

3. I have demonstrated that the closely related pig pheromones, androstenol and

androstenone, are not active as pheromones in humans


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Now does

this mean they think our -nol and -none does not work in humans???

Sunny

[Kari]

http://www.vnoathleticresearch.com/about.asp

[Kari]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
2. Estratetraenol and androstadienone activate the vomeronasal system in

humans.

3. I have demonstrated that the closely related pig pheromones, androstenol and androstenone, are not

active as pheromones in humans


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Now does this mean they think

our -nol and -none does not work in humans???

Sunny

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I think

they are saying that PIG pheromones don\'t work in humans. Apparently, a perfume called \"Lydia\" contains a ton

of pig pheromones. Of course, one can wear to to a banryard and be followed by lovestruck porcines. Or, one can use

it to attract politicians. I\'ve heard our new CA governor, Der Groppenfuhrer, reacts to pig pheromones. &lt;g&gt;

[Kari]

She is of course, missing the fun of it. She does bring up a good point-- women living in close quarters tend to

coordinate their menstrual periods. Because of--- pheromones that seem scentless.




http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/ne

uro/neuro01/web1/Costello.html

[cuddlebear]

All this \"pig

phero\" stuff is new to me, but no one will ever convince me that Nol doesn\'t work on humans, because I have

demonstrated in my own personal experience, countless times, that it indeed does. None also does, but less so, and

there seems to be a serious intimidation factor, so I have been avoiding it lately.

[Jones]

None is called a pig

pheromone b/c there was a study which proved that pigs use it to locate truffles, or something like that.


Its

bascially propaganda. Molecules serve different purposes in different alimals. Some serve similar or the same

purpose. I mean, did you all know that use you use pig hemoglobin to transport oxygen. Oh the horror.

[CptKipling]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
2. Estratetraenol and androstadienone activate the vomeronasal system in

humans.

3. I have demonstrated that the closely related pig pheromones, androstenol and androstenone, are not

active as pheromones in humans


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Now does this mean they think

our -nol and -none does not work in humans???

Sunny

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No, do a

forum search and read around.

[Sunny]

Cpt. I know it works

in humans (proven yesterday [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) and most of us know it. I was

referring to the quote, wondering why they imply our -nol and -none were pig pheromones (which they are not) and

thus concluding they would not work in humans.

Sunny

[CptKipling]

web page

Take a look, answers your question.

[Whitehall]

Has anyone

tried Erox\'s \"Natural Attraction\" line? I presume they use the same pheromones as Realm but who knows.

I

ordered their \"roulette\" for men - might run over at lunch Monday and visit - their offices are only a couple of

miles from my office. It\'s only $10 so worth a try.

[Sunny]

I was kind of

following that thread but only read somthing about women and pigs and didn\'t really pay attention...

Thank

you!

Sunny

[filterfactory]

I\'m also curious about the new natural attraction, but I can\'t get it here. I wonder if the they still do

the reverse pheroes with the mens pheroes in the womens formula and vice versa.

[Whitehall]

I emailed Erox

asking about the ingredients in their Natural Attraction line. I got this in return:

</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Joseph:

The patented human pheromones in Natural Attraction are the same

as those
used in Realm. We do not sell directly from our office, our shipping
warehouse is located in S.

CA.

Note: Most all of the products on Love Scent.com are ANIMAL pheromones
(pig)....... Pheromones are species

specific and animal pheromones do not
have any effect on humans. I realize that site talks a great deal

about
Human pheromones, but most of the products contain pheromones that have been
proven to have no

effect....

Bob


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My reply:

</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Bob,

Your assertion \" but most of the products contain pheromones that

have been proven to have no effect....\" is manifestly false. The metric that Erox uses (VNO potentials) is but

one metric yet behavioral responses in the field from non-Erox pheromones are well established among knowledgeable

users and scientific researchers. There are clear behavioral responses from females to A-none use - hair flipping,

butt presentation, even \"deer-in-the-headlight looks.\" Likewise, exogenous copulins during copulation can

induce much more enthusiastic and pleasurable sex for both partners. And that\'s not just because I date

pigs!

Deny the real-world application of pheromones and what scientific credibility Erox can now claim will

evaporate into marketing spin. Also, I note that the chemicals used by Erox are patented ONLY when used in fragrance

mixtures.

My main question remains unanswered - what pheromone(s) are included in the male version of \"Natural

Attraction\" and which pheromone(s) are in the female version of \"Natural Attraction\"? Would that be estra in

the male version and andro in the female version?

Joe

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[Brian]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Likewise, exogenous copulins during copulation can

induce much more enthusiastic and pleasurable sex for both partners. And that\'s not just because I date

pigs!

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[Whitehall]

Of

course, maybe I get such reactions because I\'m such a bore.

[oscar]

\"The Acknowledged Master of Porcine Posterior Presentation\"

[Jones]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I emailed Erox asking about the ingredients in

their Natural Attraction line. I got this in return:

</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Joseph:

The patented human pheromones in Natural Attraction are the same

as those
used in Realm. We do not sell directly from our office, our shipping
warehouse is located in S.

CA.

Note: Most all of the products on Love Scent.com are ANIMAL pheromones
(pig)....... Pheromones are species

specific and animal pheromones do not
have any effect on humans. I realize that site talks a great deal

about
Human pheromones, but most of the products contain pheromones that have been
proven to have no

effect....

Bob


<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">


My reply:

</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Bob,

Your assertion \" but most of the products contain pheromones that

have been proven to have no effect....\" is manifestly false. The metric that Erox uses (VNO potentials) is but

one metric yet behavioral responses in the field from non-Erox pheromones are well established among knowledgeable

users and scientific researchers. There are clear behavioral responses from females to A-none use - hair flipping,

butt presentation, even \"deer-in-the-headlight looks.\" Likewise, exogenous copulins during copulation can

induce much more enthusiastic and pleasurable sex for both partners. And that\'s not just because I date

pigs!

Deny the real-world application of pheromones and what scientific credibility Erox can now claim will

evaporate into marketing spin. Also, I note that the chemicals used by Erox are patented ONLY when used in fragrance

mixtures.

My main question remains unanswered - what pheromone(s) are included in the male version of \"Natural

Attraction\" and which pheromone(s) are in the female version of \"Natural Attraction\"? Would that be estra in

the male version and andro in the female version?

Joe

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">



Actually, I asked them the same, and they are obligated not to tell

you due to legal BS. (things there lawyers tell them)



But... In the \"study\" that it posted, an

interesting graph apears. And in this, \"study\" the power of A1 and Estrtetrablahblhblah was measured on each a

female and male\'s VNO. There is also a graph in this \"study\" which has Realm M and Realm W against Human

Male VNO and Human female VNO.


From the large spike in the male VNO corresponding to Realm/M and large spike

comming from activity of Realm/W in the female VNO, it is shown that they do infact operate on the backwards

thoery.

Just link over to erox.com and find the \"science\", section.

[Whitehall]

The best news is

that we can now get straight Estra (the active ingredient in Realm for men) cheap. At least that is what I infer

from the email exchange and the Erox website.

Just buy a bottle of male \"Natural Attraction.\"

Likewise, a

straight shot of A-1 is available by getting female \"Natural Attraction.\"

Yet, one has to ask if the mones

aren\'t reversed from the Realms. If the male stuff is intended to attract females (and why create the

expectation) then one would think one would use A-1.

I\'ll just have to wait and see what comes in the mail.

[Sacogoo]

Whitehall

writes:
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... There are clear behavioral responses

from females to A-none use - hair flipping, butt presentation, even \"deer-in-the-headlight looks.\" ...

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I can\'t believe that you actually wrote \"butt presentation\" in

your letter. (Although, the \"sex with pigs\" line was a classic.)

[Whitehall]

My

\"roulette\" showed up today - a very nice, medicinal-looking container with a roller top - heavy glass, 5 ml.

Smells just like Everclear.

Only gives \"human pheromones\" as active ingredient. Also has a PC statement -

\"This product has not been tested on animals\" - what am I, chopped liver?

Lists two patents - 5,272,134 and

5,278,141.

For $10 plus California sales tax and S&amp;H, it would not be a bad deal if I just knew what\'s in

it. If the \"attracts women\" claim is correct, one would expect A-1 but I don\'t know the

concentration.

Bruce, you got nothing to worry about.

[Jones]

Did you get the

roullete for M of W ?

There are two patents? Perhaps both A1 and E-tetra are in there.

[Whitehall]

I ordered

and recieved the male verson, labeled \"For Men.\"

This is supposed to attract women but we know that A-1 is

less an attractant for women as it is an anti-depressant.

[Whitehall]

I ordered

and recieved the male verson, labeled \"For Men.\"

This is supposed to attract women but we know that A-1 is

less an attractant for women as it is an anti-depressant.

[oscar]

Whitehall,

Both the Andro\'s and Estra\'s are covered in each of those patents.
I tried to post the links

to the specific pages, but they wouldn\'t get me through even after three attempts. So I\'ll just post the URL

for the USPTO home page and y\'all can punch in or copy and paste in the numbers on a Patent Number

Search.

http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html

Funny,

Berliner and his mob seem to concede to None and Nol being produced by humans when they\'re trying to patent

them!
The filthy lyin\' bastards!

Oscar [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Jones]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I ordered and recieved the male verson, labeled

\"For Men.\"

This is supposed to attract women but we know that A-1 is less an attractant for women as it

is an anti-depressant.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Your talking about studies on pubmed

right? Could you cite that statement?

Its weird, in my experience, Realm/w makes women very very tense, in a

sexual way. There mood doesnt seem to be effected, they are just more forward and confrontational. Maybe a1 just

aint for me, maybe its my personality. Maybe realm didnt do anything.

But, anti-depressant? Nooooo way, not

fer me. Just very challenging responses. I hope I am characterizing things correctly, but you know what I mean,

when a girl playfully confronts you verbally, which can then develop into physical stuff?

Like this one day,

this weird thing happened in vball class. A was high fiving a cute chick, and I missed a little and almost cought

her nail. She responds, \'you almost broke my nail!\'. I gave her that \'ohhh, your poor thing\' sarcastic

response, to which she stepped closer to me, looked me in the eyes, and then put her hand on my chest a tried to

push me. But she barely applied any pressure and ended up just touching me. I almost did the same thing to her,

but she was so petite that if I tried to push in the chest I either be grabing her boobs or strangling her neck. I

just said, \'what if I did that...\'. And then I was up to serve. Nobody smiled throught the confrontation,

just lots of eye contact.

That essentially is the kind of responses I get. very aggresive moves, which when

met with aggresive moves get sexual tension.


Honestly, I would really like it if I got some euphoric

effects. I need to use some SOE.

My advice to you whitehall, is if youve got a1 in that roulette (which you

might) is try and be VERY aggresive, and see what happends.

[Whitehall]

I\'ve got a

bottle of RfW and a bottle of CS A-1. Neither gets a sexual response from women, in my experience. They do serve

well to reduce PMS symptoms and generally reduce tensions in females. Erox is also correct in saying that they

improve the mood of the female wearer.

When I wear it, I get \"dark moods\" and get no particular response from

females.

When I wear Realm for Men, containing Estra, my mood improves yet I get no particular sexual responses

from females nearby.

How they can take their two compnds and make a sexual attractant from one or from both in

combination is still a mystery. The only way to tell is to field test it.

I suggest you search the archives - I

think you\'ll see that my experiences are shared by most. Of course, your field experiences can vary and seem to

add something to the big picture.

[Jones]

Yea... I mean,

n=1 w/ where I am not even sure if thats what caused it... really tells us a lot huh?!!?!

but, I recently

grabbed the whole article that desribes how A1 incrases mood, its seems, that it increased ALL the

following;

Tense/Antagonistic/AnxiousExcited/IrritatedDiscontented/

[Jones]

When exposed to

estratetraenol, men and women
again had significantly different responses in Positive-
Stimulated mood (t 5 2.55,

P # 0.02). Women again
experienced higher Positive Stimulated mood relative
to their responses to propylene

glycol, a finding not
concordant with reports that women do not respond
physiologically to estratetraenol on the

surface potential
of vomeronasal epithelium (Berliner, 1994; Monti-
Bloch and Grosser, 1991; Monti-Bloch et al.,

1994). Men
experienced lower Positive Stimulated mood (see Fig.
2) rather than the increase predicted by previous

research.
As with androstadienone, there was neither a
significant difference in Negative-Confused responses
nor

a difference in Alertness. This pattern of sex differences
in mood does not support a simple sex-specific
or

sex-exclusive model (Berliner, 1994; Monti-
Bloch and Grosser, 1991; Monti-Bloch et al., 1994).




When asked

to describe how they felt after the
compounds had been applied, 80% of women exposed
to androstadienone stated

they felt one or more of the
following ways: warm, heavy, spacy, sharp, nauseous,
or light headed. When exposed to

estratetraenol, 80%
said they felt heavy, warm, chesty, irritable, or
drowsy. Approximately 50% of the men felt

warm or
irritable after androstadienone exposure and 60% of
men felt warm or stimulated with estratetraenol.
When

exposed to propylene glycol alone participants
used these adjectives more rarely (only 5% used irritable
and 40%

used warm). Future research is needed
to quantify these self reports of physical

perceptions.




Psychological State and Mood Effects of Steroidal Chemosignals in Women and Men, Hormones and

Behavior, Volume 37, Issue 1, February 2000, Pages 57-78
Suma Jacob and Martha K. McClintock