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    Quote Originally Posted by Elana
    I put some anise on a

    cotton pad and put it one of mt lingerie drawers. My panties have smelled like licorice all day. I love the scent.



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    I like licorice :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCW
    I like licorice :-)



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    That wasn't what I was thinking when I first read that quote.

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    The above recipe is for

    people who like patchouli, but the E oil does get a bad rap, as it is often misused (i.e., applied straight in big

    doses). This is the simplest way I know to wear a high concentration of patchouli without smelling funky! It is a

    proper way to wear it. Most great perfumes have some patchouli, so most people who say they hate it really just hate

    the misuse of it.
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    I am very sensitive to

    patchouli. I can smell patchouli in a hallway nobody's been in for 15 minutes, then follow the smell to whoever has

    it on, even when nobody else can smell it. I do occasionally like it in small doses, depending on what else is in

    the mix, but if I can actually smell the patchouli, it ruins it for me.

    I wasn't bashing your mix, Doc.

    Just making a comment about my weirdness.
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    Well you are sensitive!

    I posted that about Patchouli just for educational purposes. Patchouli is very controversial in Oregon, with all the

    hippies out here! Misconceptions abound.

    I prefer not to wear it by itself, as it is just too dry smelling.

    Something needs to be done to "soften" and moisten" it. It gets far better with aging of a year or more, though, so

    much that I probably would wear it by itself if was a couple years old. It starts to smell rich, sweet and

    wine-like.
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    Hey I haven't been around

    for a while. I notice a poll at the top of the page. It gives you the choices, but says nothing about what the

    poll is regarding. What's up w/ that? Wouldn't it make more sense to have the poll question

    included in that little box? Does anyone really give a damn that I'm asking this question?
    You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a fv<k, 'cause I make 'em pay for it.-Sagacious1420

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    I like the amber/patchouli

    combo. I've used them both in a few blends. Don't know that I could handle a 2:1 ratio though. Maybe something

    like 10:1. Throw in some vetiver and you've got a nice earthy combo, imo.
    You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a fv<k, 'cause I make 'em pay for it.-Sagacious1420

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    The poll is from a post ages

    ago. The way this forum is set up, the poll is at the top of the thread, not in the post.
    "I have a hammer! I can put things together! I can knock things apart! I can alter my environment at will and make an incredible din all the while! Ah, it's great to be male!"

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    Lightbulb A philosophy of perfuming, based in a holistic psychology of aesthetics

    Quote Originally Posted by Sagacious1420
    I like the amber/patchouli combo. I've used them both

    in a few blends. Don't know that I could handle a 2:1 ratio though. Maybe something like 10:1. Throw in some

    vetiver and you've got a nice earthy combo, imo.
    I know what you mean. Yep, that is another good way to go

    if you want to emphasize the amber, but I already put up an amber recipe. Do please post your recipes if so

    inclined!

    The smell of Sturgeon isn't the prettiest, but it does have a time-tested, enchanting

    quality to it, especially after blending with your BO. But the Eden amber is pretty thick liquid, too, and can

    stand up to the P. (BW, no need to dilute unless application is a problem.) Incidentally, I try to smell a few

    bottles of amber before picking out the one I think is the sexiest for this mix. also you want to add another drop

    of amber if you are using brand new, "more harsh and dry" patchouli.

    ***
    It is a different philosophy of

    perfuming -- based on the erotic, emotional, psychological, and body chemistry enhancing aspects; as well as how

    nice the smell seems "at first sniff". The idea is to work with everything the oils are doing, to work with

    natural human smells, and have the oils enhance one's "quality of life" as broadly as possible, rather than make

    them serve a more narrow function or purpose of just immediately pleasing the nose. You please the person through

    the nose
    rather than please the nose, in other words. Pheros was built on similar thinking, where the

    overt, immediate smell was one, but not the only, aspect considered. Nonetheless, I do remember getting quite a few

    compliments from the mix, after some "charging time". It just takes a couple dabs for your whole body. Also the

    smell seems a bit of an acquired taste. It's not difficult to see why.

    Regarding aesthetics in general,

    the same idea works for any sense: The overall effect of sensory input conditions the narrower, immediate response

    to that sensory input. The bigger part conditions the smaller part. It's common sense, really.

    For example,

    you please the person through their eyes rather than just please the eye or visual cortex. That idea helps

    explain how less handsome or less pretty people attract through their looks, "despite their looks". It's what

    your looks do
    rather than "how your looks look", in other words. ("Won't 'cha look at the size of the wallet

    on that man!"). This also helps explain the phenomenon of "acquired tastes". Eventually the

    non-pretty person looks "beautiful".

    Regarding olfaction, this is also a general case theory that helps put

    JVK's "phero-conditioning", along with other miscellaneous phenomena, within a larger context. Regarding the sense

    of touch, for instance, this theory explains why spanking and other forms of S&M could be so pleasurable. The

    stimulus itself is valuable mainly in being intense in a generic sense. The pain itself is relatively trivial

    (yet it happens to occur near the genitalia, which i'm ignoring for present purposes). That makes it a good raw

    material for pairing with whatever larger pleasures of living it gets paired with. According to this line of

    thinking, any intense, generic stimulus can work(within certain neurological limits. Some stimuli are universally

    unpleasant and unable to be conditioned otherwise). Regarding sounds, it is also easy to see why thrash music, heavy

    metal, grunge, and noise music can be so appealing. Some would say that liking "hard" or dissonant music reflects a

    distorted sense of aesthetics.

    While I wouldn't go that far, given that there are other possible beneficial

    effects of dissonance (such as stirring up emotions that needed to be), it generally is easy to see how aesthetic

    sense can in fact be distorted in an unhealthy way, according to this kind of thinking. Within the field of forensic

    psychology, for example, this theory partly explains the occurance of serial murders, one of the most intense

    stimulil possible. The psychopathology involves the murderer being able to psychologically disassociate all the

    pre-associated meanings from killing (such as the fact of lifelong horror and sorrow for the families), leaving only

    the intensity of it. The intensity of imagining the killing is then paired with various pleasures.

    On a more

    general scale, where we consider the emotions to be another kind and level of stimulus, this explains the

    pathological appeal of gossip, which takes pleasure at the drama and intense misfortunes of others.

    Still more

    generally, Western culture in general is plagued by it's tendency to pathologically encourage the stripping of

    original, natural meanings from basic stimuli of life (e.g., war, quietly being in nature); causing us to value

    intense simuli above the gentler, natural, less intense kind (e.g., fresh veggies, a walk in the woods, time at home

    with friends and family, etc). Being cut off from simple, natural pleasures has resulted in a cultural mental

    illness that all of us suffer from, to some extent. It is a kind of sensual poverty. We of course seek to compensate

    for our loss of natural pleasures. We feel the need to restore pleasure to our lives artificially; filling them with

    constant, intense stimuli; such as synthetic perfumes, action movies, drugs; babbling superficial conversations, and

    pornography. (I miss the "crazy" icon from the old forum!). Unfortunately, the more artificial pleasures

    are cumbersome to create by comparison, causing us to waste the earth's resources, as well as our own time and

    energy. Damn!

    Oops, I just hijacked my own thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sexyredhead
    The poll is

    from a post ages ago. The way this forum is set up, the poll is at the top of the thread, not in the post.

    Thanks, SRH. Yep, for some reason the fact that there is a poll in there changes the way the thread

    appears in the index.
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    Talking Patchouli drives me wild

    HI

    EVERYONE...newbie here lovin this perfume section!!!.
    I use patchouli in quite a few of my fragrance blends (not

    always in top or middle notes mind you) but my favorite is a blend with sweetgrass musk and mysore sandalwood.

    yummy...reeeow. But with amber...good god..a guy wearing that in 10 feet of me would be considered

    "hot"..curious...maybe very sexual? I'd be wondering..and wondering..lol

    Patchouli does to me exactly what it

    says:euphoric/aphrodisiac. ...but I know the old standard love it or hate it-some people I know are just SO offended

    by patchouli like it just said something very sleezy! lol..but I love to tell them, Well your in for a surprise

    because the majority of perfumes use it! It's all how you work it
    Someone I know had a very old patchouli, well

    aged and my god It was sex in a bottle!
    I am very passionate about how I think about fragrances and catagorize

    them in some way as I learn more and more..

    I have loved this area of the forum alll about fragrance...I even

    ordered samples of Amouage Gold for women!!!!

    Im going to Vegas soon...any good perfumeries I shouldn't

    miss?

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    Question How does this blend sound?

    How does this blend sound Dr?
    Labdanum Absolute 3mls, Frankincen. E.O. 3mls, Geranium Bourbon

    10mls,

    Benzoin 3 small globs, Orris Concrete-small glob,

    Rosewood 1 ml.,

    Fir balsam Absolute 3drops, Jasmine Sambac 20

    drops.


    I

    have yet to work with Benzoin, Orris or Labdanum. Globs i cannot interprete what this can mean..are they that thick?



    Ohhh Im

    gonna have so much fun in here!!


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    I don't know about any good

    perfumeries but you sure sold me on Patchouli.

    Welcome to the Forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by violetsky
    HI

    EVERYONE...newbie here lovin this perfume section!!!.
    I use patchouli in quite a few of my fragrance blends (not

    always in top or middle notes mind you) but my favorite is a blend with sweetgrass musk and mysore sandalwood.

    yummy...reeeow. But with amber...good god..a guy wearing that in 10 feet of me would be considered

    "hot"..curious...maybe very sexual? I'd be wondering..and wondering..lol

    Patchouli does to me exactly what it

    says:euphoric/aphrodisiac. ...but I know the old standard love it or hate it-some people I know are just SO offended

    by patchouli like it just said something very sleezy! lol..but I love to tell them, Well your in for a surprise

    because the majority of perfumes use it! It's all how you work it
    Someone I know had a very old patchouli, well

    aged and my god It was sex in a bottle!
    I am very passionate about how I think about fragrances and catagorize

    them in some way as I learn more and more..

    I have loved this area of the forum alll about fragrance...I even

    ordered samples of Amouage Gold for women!!!!

    Im going to Vegas soon...any good perfumeries I shouldn't

    miss?
    OK. A woman after me own heart. Welcome, Violetsky!!

    See, guys? Wear some Sturgeon and score! Would

    I steer you wrong? I spent a lot of time in North Indiana.

    Yes. Aged P is the stuff! Let me know what you think

    about the Amouage. I am wearing Amouage at this very moment! Tssssssss! Damn I'm hot!!

    If you go to Vegas, you

    want to smell like a Turkish brothel with polyester furnishings.

    OK, so I just returned from a long jam session

    and had a few pints! Don't worry, I'll lose my sense of humor in the morning!
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    Quote Originally Posted by violetsky
    How does this blend sound Dr?
    Labdanum Absolute 3mls, Frankincen. E.O. 3mls, Geranium Bourbon

    10mls,

    Benzoin 3 small globs, Orris Concrete-small glob,

    Rosewood 1 ml.,

    Fir balsam Absolute 3drops, Jasmine Sambac 20

    drops.


    I have yet to work with Benzoin, Orris or Labdanum.

    Globs i cannot interprete what this can mean..are they that thick?


    Ohhh Im gonna have so much fun in here!!
    Sounds great, very yummy;

    although the geranium is the only thing I've a question about there, as it's so fresh and edgy, whereas everything

    else you listed is so rich and "Amouage-like." Of course, it might be just glorious exactly how it is. Your nose is

    the authority. Rose, lemon, and a touch of ylang would be a good alternative to the geranium; with many of the same

    qualities that geranium brings, but richer and maybe more appropriate to the other ingredients. The rose

    would tie your other ingredients together in this case. You could try myrrh, musk, ambergris, and/or balsam peru

    also. But if you put any on I'm coming over there.

    You can melt benzoin in the microwave on the lowest

    setting for a brief moment. Why go by "globs"? I have never used orris, for some reason. I guess I didn't relate to

    it yet; and there are so many things to use. Some day I will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by violetsky
    How does this blend sound Dr?
    Labdanum Absolute 3mls, Frankincen. E.O. 3mls, Geranium Bourbon

    10mls,

    Benzoin 3 small globs, Orris Concrete-small glob,

    Rosewood 1 ml.,

    Fir balsam Absolute 3drops, Jasmine Sambac 20

    drops.


    I have yet to work with Benzoin, Orris or Labdanum.

    Globs i cannot interprete what this can mean..are they that thick?


    Ohhh Im gonna have so much fun in here!!
    WELCOME VIOLETSKY!!!!!

    How

    long have you been messing around with essential oils? Do you have any more recipes? This is a great thread but it

    always seems to die down. I hope we can keep it going. What is Orris Concrete?


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    Welcome, Violetsky!
    "I have a hammer! I can put things together! I can knock things apart! I can alter my environment at will and make an incredible din all the while! Ah, it's great to be male!"

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    Cool globs and welcomes

    Hey girls!!

    AND GUYS TOO!!! THANKS for the sweetest welcome

    Elana: I do have a ton of recipes. I started like 4 yrs

    ago..it's a long story starting with majoring in history in college..save for a rainy day online when your all

    bored....but basically in the past few years I've been selling blends I create. I create the basic fragrance for

    use in candles I make or as perfumes, in dead sea salt blends..now theres quite a few I can share cuz i love sharing

    but there's some filed right next to Hanger 51 lol...

    I still have many oils to explore...it's so fascinating

    how endless it seems.

    GLOBS: I was always afraid to overheat-I avoided my dreadful $79 microwave that I somehow

    always manage to burn something in..case in point..my smore last night got really knarly at 20 seconds...in my head

    im thinking okay expensive oil into satan's pleasure box ...hehehehe...maybe 10 seconds or less I'll do.
    there are layers and layers -- you're bottomless, unfathomable. Your clearness is deceptive. You are the thinker who arouses most confusion in me, most doubt, most disturbance. Anais Nin

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    Greetings, Violet! I look

    forward to seeing some of your recipes, too. Messing around with the -mones and scents is great fun.

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    See the geranium bourbon/reunion I thought might be the best to use because it is sweeter and

    I worried about the headyness or deepness of all these lucious scents..your right it's very up

    there..

    Wow LEMON? i think i avoid it alot..for some reason

    even though i dont really hate it per se, i use it only in 3 blends..
    which rose variety to achieve the richness you describe?
    The orris root is because it just so dern witchy..smells alot like violets..good fixative..and

    associated with the Moon. Im goin for a scent that reminds me of Salem...wow what a place..we went the week AFTER

    halloween..sadly my husbands bus. trip couldn't fall right on it...but its a very very interesting town. The

    fragrances in the air drove me wild..they all had some verison of these ingredients...the ones with musks and what

    must have been benzoin aphrodisiac were really intoxicating to me. My husband even commented on how the smells in

    every store subconsciously suggest eroticism...here and there i kept saying they were unconsciously trying to get me

    to just run naked through the street with a tamborine..lol
    there are layers and layers -- you're bottomless, unfathomable. Your clearness is deceptive. You are the thinker who arouses most confusion in me, most doubt, most disturbance. Anais Nin

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    I use bulgarian concrete for

    that effect these days, but really I just smell the rose oils and pick one. One always stands out as being what you

    are looking for. Lemon, as with orange, goes very well with frankincense. It also goes well with rose (which

    obviously goes well with your chosen oils, too), as anyone who has smelled lemony roses knows. I had a wild idea

    about "rock rose" (labdanum) being similar that way, or at least being "willing to be talked into it". Come to think

    of it, I did once create a perfume that was lemony with labdanum that turned out nice -- like a dessert

    sherry.

    If you have a heady mix already, more heady things might not make it moreso; but might just

    create a unified effect with depth and breadth; a perfume that refuses to apologize for itself. A great

    perfume, like any great work of art, is one single idea. Of course, what that idea is comes from your own

    singular imagination, not another's advice.

    I know what you mean about recipes. I am also limited by not

    wanting to divulge too much, as any perfumer will pretty much lose the ability to pay rent by divulging their most

    teasured formulae, or even a signature combination used in various creations. But if I know I'll never market a

    scent I can feel better about giving it up. How do you sell your stuff, violetsky?

    I can liquify benzoin in 4

    seconds
    in my microwave! So yeah, go easy on the nuking.

    Salem, huh? Ooooooooooo, witchy woman!
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    DrSmellThis: I have understood

    that you are very knowledgable of essential oils, so I have some questions for you:

    In this thread there are

    some oils that probably could do some harm if one is not careful:

    You have Bergamot that is to some extent

    phototoxic (is it possible to obtain bergapten-free oil somewhere?) on the skin, probably Lemon and Orange too?



    Cinnamon leaf oil that - according to one of my books "The Encyclopedia of Essential Oils" by Julia Lawless

    - can cause irritaion on mucous membranes. You mention also Cinnamon bark oil that the book says is quite hazardous

    to use - dermal toxin, irritant and sesitizer according to the book - particulary on the skin.

    Cedarwood

    Atlas is said to be avoided during pregnancy. I haven't found out why this is the case. Do you know that?

    I

    have ordered "Essential Oil Safety" by Robert Tisserand, but havent received it yet.
    I will read it on my

    vacation (that starts tomorrow btw!) and possibly I will know after that all about Cedarwood Atlas and pregnancy.

    LoL

    Take care guys and girls,

    W

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    is it possible to obtain

    bergapten-free oil somewhere?
    Sure. That's what I use. Camdengrey has it. A lot of places have it.

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    I have had a really hard time

    finding a distributor of decent oils in Sweden, and they - alas! - don't have this, so cannot use bergamott for

    now. I found a good supplier in the UK though but they didn't want to send stuff outside UK. It's a bitch finding

    good suppliers with the EU.

    // w

    BTW Elana, you and I joined the forum within a few months of

    eachother, but look at our post-count... I think I have to use all of my vacation to match you...

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    BTW Elana, you and I joined

    the forum within a few months of eachother, but look at our post-count... I think I have to use all of my vacation

    to match you...
    Are you calling me a big mouth?

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    Elana : 11.77 posts per day



    Nobody even comes close

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    I can do better than that.


    I'll work on it.

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    RW, if you will read all the

    way through this thread, you will see warnings about the use of cinnamon and bergamot, as well as some others. I

    have very fair skin, and haven't had any problems with regular bergamot EO. Phototoxic means it makes it more easy

    for you to sunburn, and I'd be in big trouble if I surnburned more easily! Lemon and orange are ok. There are

    also some links listed waaaaay back in this thread for internet sites that give safety data on different

    EO's.

    Here's one you can reference til you get your book: http://www.aromaweb.com

    Go to

    'Oil Profiles' and it lists uses, notes, and any precautions.
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    Oh, atlas cedarwood as well as

    several other EOs have been known to cause miscarriage if used during pregnancy. Here's an excerpt from

    http://www.skincareindia.com/index-cid-12-pid-157.html :


    Essential Oils for Limited Use During

    Pregnancy

    Cypress (Cupressus sempervirens) from the evergreen tree

    Cypress oil may be used AFTER the

    fifth month of pregnancy, as it is particularly helpful, when mixed with a cooling lotion or gel, for varicose

    veins. It is a gentle diuretic that can assist in decongesting fluid retention in heavy, aching legs and swollen

    ankles.

    Use AFTER the fifth month of pregnancy, in local applications only (lotion/gel).

    Geranium

    (Pelargonium graveolens) from the geranium plant

    Geranium oil is known as an all around balancing oil

    because it puts the body back in balance. It is a very strong oil and is best avoided as a body massage during

    pregnancy.

    Geranium is astringent, refreshing and relaxing with a lovely aroma. Geranium may be used AFTER

    the fifth month of pregnancy for the wonderful relief it gives to tired and aching legs – it is good for poor

    circulation.

    Use in room fresheners and AFTER the fifth month of pregnancy in local massage gels, footbaths

    and carrier oils.

    Lemon (Citrus limonum) from the rind of the lemon

    Lemon essential oil has a sharp,

    fresh citrus scent. It is refreshing, cooling and antiseptic and aids in circulation.

    During pregnancy it

    can be used in a burner (lamp ring/diffuser) for morning sickness and mixed with lotion or gel for varicose veins.



    Sandalwood (Santalum album) from the sandalwood tree

    Sandalwood is very exotic, relaxing and is

    excellent for dry or sensitive skin. It can be particularly helpful for urinary tract infections during pregnancy.



    Use in baths and for skin care.

    Tea Tree (Melaleuca alternifolia) from the tropical tea tree



    Tea Tree is incredibly useful (along with lavender) and mild enough to be used in small quantities directly

    on the skin. It can be used to deal with thrush during pregnancy.

    Use in local applications, mixed with

    lotion or carrier oil.


    Essential Oils To Be Avoided During Pregnancy
    Angelica, Hyssop, Peppermint,

    Aniseed, Jasmine, Rosemary, Basil, Juniper, Savory, Camphor, Lovage, Sage, Cedarwood, Melissa, Spanish Marjoram,

    Clary Sage, Myrrh, Sweet Marjoram, Clove, Marjoram, Tarragon, Cinnamon, Origanum, Thyme, Fennel, Parsley,

    A

    Word Of Caution

    If you suffer from epilepsy or any sensitivity of the nervous system, always consult an

    Aromatherapist for advise about your choice of essential oils. Some oils, if used indiscriminately or without case,

    could aggravate your condition or even trigger an attack. DO NOT USE FENNEL, HYSSOP, SAGE AND ROSEMARY.
    If you

    suffer from asthma, eczema, dermatitis or any other allergies, aromatherapy can certainly be of help, but ask the

    advice of an Aromatherapist BEFORE buying essential oils.

    Consult a physician prior to using any essential

    oil.
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    --Calvin & Hobbes

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