Perfuming Basics

[Elana]

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I agree with Elane.

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Who is she? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Gimme my A

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[Sexyredhead]

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My first attempt sucked. I started with 6

Peppermint, 4 Rosemary, and 2 Cedarwood. It smelled like a doctors office rather then a snowy winter day in the

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I\'ll try again.

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Why don\'t

you try eucalyptus, pine, fir, and vetiver? Eucalyptus for that sharp coldness, pine and fir for the trees you

usually would smell, and vetiver or maybe patchouli for that slightly musty scent that all good forests have.

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[DrSmellThis]

Elana, that\'s

the \'familiarity beforehand\' factor you were talking about, I think. All of those oils had medicinal/chemical

overtones, and function in the same portion of the smell spectrum, that of sharp top notes.

You are to be

commended for your bravery and diligence.

[bjf]

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Who is she? Gimme my A

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E-L-A-N-A No more butchering please!!!

[Sagacious1420]

A




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[DrSmellThis]

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I made the exact recipe for Turning Oriental.

It\'s brilliant! It\'s so sexy. I even used a bit in my nebulizer (not a great idea because of the thick

benzoin) and my room smells gorgeous.

I don\'t know if any of you guys are making any of these recipes that

DST is posting. If you are not you are really missing out.

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very much, Elana. I\'m glad it turned out well. So how many drops of valerian did you end up using?

[Hungry]

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Randy Pants

8 Sandalwood
2 Neroli
1

Cinnamon leaf (optional)
1 bitter orange (Not sweet orange! optional add-on to the cinnamon)
15 Jojoba




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Ahh, thank you Doc. I\'m going to try this right now. Please

post more recipes, I\'ll try them all.

PS: I\'ll be lining up to buy the mens formula you\'re working on.

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Hungry

[DrSmellThis]

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My first attempt sucked. I started with 6

Peppermint, 4 Rosemary, and 2 Cedarwood. It smelled like a doctors office rather then a snowy winter day in the

forest. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] I\'ll try again.

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Interestingly,

the mix you made would be a great rodent repellant, if you bump up the cedar to 8!! I\'m serious here! It will

work better than poison or traps, if you make enough. Just sprinkle it where they go, and they\'ll either leave or

never come in for the winter. So what were you going for? Snowy winter day in the forest? Let\'s keep your

ingredients in there, and add a little cozy cabin action. This one is called,

Nick no Saint Callin\' his

Ho\'s

Base note:
3 patchouli
6 cedar
6 benzoin

Heart note:
4

cinnamon leaf
8 clove
3 lavender
1 rosemary (or sage)

Top note:
3 pine needle
16

orange
8 bergamot
8 juniper
1 peppermint

Fixative
1 valerian

Mix as before. Dilute

oils with everclear 4:1. Let sit for three days in an airtight glass vial. Then mix with a little

sweetener-free vanilla extract (alcohol base only, like you cook with; a capful -- just a guess)! Ho ho ho!

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[bjf]

Where do you come up

with these ratios? Are these your own findings or shared knowledge from those in perfumery.

It is all really

interesting stuff. I wish I could buy those. Bruce has to start selling your stuff in perfume sampler vial sets or

something.

[fiddler]

DST,

any floral

formulas for women?

i\'ll second bjf, where do you come up with this? we all want to

know!

thanks.

fiddler

[Elana]

I am having a lot of

fun playing around with these recipes, but I am not even close to being ready to come up with my own. I quit the

exercise, but I will try it when I am a bit more familiar with the oils. SRH...go for it!

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[Elana]

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So how many drops of valerian did you end up using?




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When I made my two batches of incomplete and slightly

different Turning Oriental, I made huge amounts. When I made the real recipe, I did it exactly as you posted.

[DrSmellThis]

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DST,

any floral formulas for women?

i\'ll

second bjf, where do you come up with this? we all want to know!

thanks.

fiddler

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See above. My first recipe was a floral. I also gave partial instrustions

for rose and jasmine scents.

[DrSmellThis]

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Where do you come up with these ratios? Are these

your own findings or shared knowledge from those in perfumery.

It is all really interesting stuff. I wish I

could buy those. Bruce has to start selling your stuff in perfume sampler vial sets or something.

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The ratios come from experience, and are partially intuitive.

Sometimes they come from hell, as I make lots of mistakes.

Today\'s tip
The technical secret to

ratios is to practice mentally comparing relative strengths of the different oils. So for neroli:sandalwood in Randy

Pants, I was thinking the ratio is maybe 4.5:1. You can go through each pair of oils in this way if you are really

anal, which I\'m not. The stronger an oil is, the less you use. Notice how I applied that principle to peppermint

in the example above. Of course, artistic intentions also help determine ratios. What do you want it to smell mostly

like?

[DrSmellThis]

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I am having a lot of fun playing around with these

recipes, but I am not even close to being ready to come up with my own. I quit the exercise, but I will try it when

I am a bit more familiar with the oils. SRH...go for it! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]



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Thanks for sharing that. If you do try your own, it should be

helpful to review the nooks and crannies of the thread. Feel good about yourself for pioneering. Funky formulas are

just part of the game.

[bjf]

Doc, I noticed that big

time with peppermint. If you remember, Ihad Pmed you about that one. Well I actually use a mouthwash made of E.Os

and it is a lot of peppermint, and it smells like it (just not as sweet). It saw just how little effected

sandlewood and gardenia and white musk. It definitely is a strong oil.

[DrSmellThis]

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Doc, I noticed that big time with peppermint. If

you remember, Ihad Pmed you about that one. Well I actually use a mouthwash made of E.Os and it is a lot of

peppermint, and it smells like it (just not as sweet). It saw just how little effected sandlewood and gardenia and

white musk. It definitely is a strong oil.

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Everone should get jojoba and empty vials to dilute the

stronger oils with. This will save you a lot of otherwise wasted money. Always dilute to an easy to remember ratio,

such as 10:1, etc. Oils that should probably be diluted include all the animal essences, nutmeg, costus, sage,

rosemary, oud, jasmine, neroli, angelica, and cinnamon bark.

[DrSmellThis]

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Randy Pants

8 Sandalwood
2 Neroli
1 Cinnamon leaf (optional)
1

bitter orange (Not sweet orange! optional add-on to the cinnamon)
15 Jojoba


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Ahh, thank you Doc. I\'m going to try this right now. Please post more recipes, I\'ll

try them all.

PS: I\'ll be lining up to buy the mens formula you\'re working on. I\'m also happy to

beta-test if you need anyone [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


Hungry

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Good luck. Please, let us know how it turned out.

[Hungry]

I couldn\'t find

anything stronger than 2.5% Neroli in stores near me, so I ordered it in. &lt;sigh&gt; Now I have to wait a few

days.


Hungry

[DrSmellThis]

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Where do you come up with these ratios? Are these your own findings or

shared knowledge from those in perfumery.

It is all really interesting stuff. I wish I could buy those. Bruce

has to start selling your stuff in perfume sampler vial sets or something.

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The ratios come from experience, and are partially intuitive. Sometimes they come from hell, as

I make lots of mistakes.

Today\'s tip
The technical secret to ratios is to practice mentally comparing

relative strengths of the different oils. So for neroli:sandalwood in Randy Pants, I was thinking the ratio is maybe

4.5:1. You can go through each pair of oils in this way if you are really anal, which I\'m not. The stronger an

oil is, the less you use. Notice how I applied that principle to peppermint in the example above. Of course,

artistic intentions also help determine ratios. What do you want it to smell mostly like?

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I have in mind logic for a program that will automatically design perfumes

based on a few principles (of ratios, etc.), in case abductor wants to collaborate. It wouldn\'t be like the

perfumer\'s workbook, but would aim at simpleness.

[DrSmellThis]

How about somebody posting a poem or two about perfume, if I promise to post some! Deal? Break

out the Kava Kava!

[Elana]

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How about somebody posting a

poem or two about perfume,

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I would rather stab myself in the eye

with a fork.

[Elana]

I just mixed 75 drops of Turning Oriental. I used 50 drops of straight oil and 25 drops of

carrier oil. I added 25 drops of AE/w, 25 drops of PI/w, and 20 drops of TE/w. I can\'t detect the TE. I will let

you all know how it wears.

[randa]

Thought you guys

might like this site, has recipes for winter/holiday scents. Can be used to make home scent or perfume.

Snow Drift Farm

[nonscents]

I

haven\'t used commercial deodorant for years. (They give me a rash.) I use Everclear and play with essential

oils.

So I\'ve been reading this thread and bought some patchouli at the supermarket on my way home. I started

playing with it and didn\'t think anything of it. I kept it with my other essential oils in the kitchen

cabinet.

A couple of days before Halloween I sat down with my son and we carved the pumpkin. Then it sat around

for a few days in the kitchen.

I started noticing more and more that there was a real foul odor in the kitchen. I

thought it was time to dump the pumpkin. But the odor was barely detectable near pumpkin. Around my cabinet in the

kitchen, it was putrid. I finally realized that the patchouli was the source.

It doesn\'t seem bad at all

diluted with Everclear in my deodorants. But it smells like a mouse died in the back of my kitchen

cabinet.

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[bjf]

nonscents.

So many of these EOs smell terrible on there own for my taste. But when you are diluting that heavily, I guess it

has to smell really extreme in the fragrance it is to add the right note to your prefume. But I am with you in not

like the smell of patcholi.

DST,

If we wear these perfumes in combonation with phermones, are we to

make the perfumes to smell good on their own, and then use as a cover, or to smell okay on their own, but better

then the former when combined with mones?

If we are to do tak into account pheromones, should we just premix

are frangrances with the product of choice, so that we know how it will smell?

Also, what E.Os are good for

covering the cat piss smells, and how would peppermint do?

I am aiming to make a bottle of NPA with eo\'s,

with the total content remaining a substantial amount of npa. I would like to avoid also hitting people with scent

overkill, even if it smells good, though I realize I will need to cover the cat piss smell with some strong

scent(s).

[DrSmellThis]

You

should take into account the pheromones, technically. Practically, I think we should not worry about it, and just

make something that smells good. Any recipe I provide will work well with raw pheromones. I do not generally

recommend mixing perfumes together, however.

[DrSmellThis]

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Thought you guys might like this site, has recipes

for winter/holiday scents. Can be used to make home scent or perfume.

www.snowdriftfarm.com/form_scentblends.html



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Thanks, Randa!

[DrSmellThis]

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I haven\'t used commercial deodorant for years.

(They give me a rash.) I use Everclear and play with essential oils.

So I\'ve been reading this thread and

bought some patchouli at the supermarket on my way home. I started playing with it and didn\'t think anything of

it. I kept it with my other essential oils in the kitchen cabinet.

A couple of days before Halloween I sat down

with my son and we carved the pumpkin. Then it sat around for a few days in the kitchen.

I started noticing more

and more that there was a real foul odor in the kitchen. I thought it was time to dump the pumpkin. But the odor was

barely detectable near pumpkin. Around my cabinet in the kitchen, it was putrid. I finally realized that the

patchouli was the source.

It doesn\'t seem bad at all diluted with Everclear in my deodorants. But it smells

like a mouse died in the back of my kitchen cabinet.

Thanks Doc!

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You should be

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[DrSmellThis]

And

here\'s the simplest great men\'s recipe you\'ll ever see:

Clean, Sexy and Butt-Ass Lazy!



2 Sandalwood

Apply liberally to your greasy, unwashed body once every day.