Perfuming Basics

[DrSmellThis]

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Excellent! Big up, Docta.

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Who the hell is Randy Pants? Didn\'t he used to play

guitar with Ozzy Osbourne?

Holmes

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I am Randy Pants.

That Randy Rhodes guy is always tryng to take credit for my work! Did you know Ozzy once snorted a phat line of

ants?

[DrSmellThis]

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Oh that\'s right!

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I\'ll give it a try!

Is sweet orange an inappropriate

fragrance for a guy to wear, though? Can I add anything to make it more suitable?


Holmes

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Yes. Elana\'s anise panties.

[DrSmellThis]

Thanks, SRH!

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[Holmes]

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I am Randy Pants. That Randy Rhodes guy is always

tryng to take credit for my work! Did you know Ozzy once snorted a phat line of ants?

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Yes. Elana\'s anise panties.

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Ah, right. Thanks!


Holmes

[Holmes]

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If you wore it I would think you were an orange

tootsie roll pop.

How many licks would it take, I wonder?

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Well, I would

think more than three...


Holmes

[fiddler]

DST,

i have

access to a orgo lab. which alcohol would you recommend for dilution, mixing, etc.? For perfumes, aromatherapy,

etc. thanks.

fiddler

[DrSmellThis]

-- purest ethanol

you can find -- grain alcohol. Never wood alcohol.

So who has tried Randy Pants? Let\'s get busy, germs!

Throw Teach an apple here!

Even though I made up the formula off the top of my head, I really do suspect the

combo is really a thousand years old or something, and I\'m just ignorant of it! It is similar in approach to

Satyr (which also has a cinnamon-floral note), an ancient occult recipe A. Crowley repopularized for attracting

mates. I think this one is almost as good (although Randy Pants lacks the lovely animal musks. It would be a waste

for me to go there. Those who wish to nudge it that way can add a drop of valerian and/or cistus -- trust me here).

His formula is more successful for attracting gay men, I think, but I like mine for heteros. Do a little intentional

meditation and mantra with it after compounding if you want to imitate the ancients.

[Elana]

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Randy Pants

8 Sandalwood
2 Neroli
1 Cinnamon

leaf (optional)
1 bitter orange (Not sweet orange! optional add-on to the cinnamon)
15 Jojoba



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Any substitute for Neroli?

[DrSmellThis]

There is no way

to avoid spending the money on precious flower oils with this one. You can\'t do everything with lavender and

geranium, unfortunately. You could try ylang ylang, but there would be a definite drop off in effectiveness. The

balance would be totally changed, since ylang is spicy like the cinnamon, and doesn\'t enhance the wood note to

the same degree. Still, there\'s no harm in experimenting to make something with a different idea.

I get

around it sometimes by buying them diluted (Aromaland makes them this way) or diluting them 10:1 with jojoba once I

get them to make them last. (Maybe using a splash of alcohol on the empty bottle when transferring to a larger

bottle to avoid waste, and pouring the jojoba in that bottle first, also.)

In general, it\'s better to have

a few costly oils you love than huge stockpiles of cheap ones you\'ll rarely use. At least, that\'s been my

thinking. It\'s only different for me because I make things for other people.

[DrSmellThis]

Oh, I forgot.

DUHHHHHHHH!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Some substitute the cheaper petitgrain for neroli. So it\'s worth trying that. They both come from the same kind

of orange tree (leaves versus flowers), and have a sort of similar scent. It won\'t be quite as good, of course.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] (A shout out to my cuz franki, for turning me on to the ever

annoying smirkicon.) But it won\'t clash. Petitgrain goes well with woods, in general.

[DrSmellThis]

Has anyone gotten

ahold of the Aftel text?? It\'s reeely good, and fun reading, with all the history &amp; stuff!

Someday

I\'ll get past the naked lady.

It can be purchased from

http://www.Powells.com for $14.00.

[DrSmellThis]

And while

we\'re on the subject, check her

out.

http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio

?inkey=62-0865476438-0

[CptKipling]

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Actually Bruce and I have been talking for a while

now, but I\'m still working on them. Bruce has been very open and encouraging, as you might expect. I\'m working

on three limited edition perfumes: one men\'s, one women\'s, and one unisex. The men\'s version, which has

been very difficult to create, will be finished first. Of course, Bruce will have to approve them, and nothing has

been sent to him yet. They are very complicated and ambitious perfumes. I\'m sort of like the Chihuahua of

perfumers. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] The men\'s formula has around 125 ingredients, and

the others aren\'t much different. I can\'t say too much more yet.

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I\'d buy it!

[Ash]

Me too!!!

[DrSmellThis]

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Me too!!!

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I will let everyone know when I\'ve finished the first perfume and run it by the boss. Today I

made a lot of progress on the men\'s creation, as well as the label and bottle art; which led me to believe it is

near finished. Of course \"near\" is a relative term! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] I feel intoxicated right now from smelling it. It definitely has a

narcotic effect as part of the psychological package! Which brings me to today\'s tips:

1. Stop right

now and question the emotional qualities you like to create in your perfumes, in terms of images, stories, and

fantasies that spring to mind. Maybe you are thinking of marauding pirates, an intimate night at home, a night at

the opera, an orgy, a speakeasy, a racetrack, a rave, or a barber shop. Tell a little story about it. What effects,

images, and emotions would have to be experienced by yourself and others in order for those fantasies to be true? In

what order would they have to be, and how do you imagine the emotions would interact with each other? Lastly, what

oils might capture those emotions? Do a search on the internet with the oil and the word \"properties\" to get

hints. A great perfume orchestrates an experience for someone exposed to it, sort of like a movie does.

2.

Every good perfume must have a single theme! This is NOT to say you have to be able to put the theme into

words! But it is nonetheless a rule. Thinking about the psychology you want is one good way to make sure your

perfume has a theme.

Todays thought exercise: How is this approach I just described different from that of

\"aromatherapy\"?

[Elana]

What a fantastic

post, DST. I just need to familiarize myself with the scents before I can attempt to create things that I am

feeling.

[DrSmellThis]

Mmmmm Hmm.

[DrSmellThis]

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And while we\'re on the subject, check her

out.
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?i

nkey=62-0865476438-0

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Lame Library Pun Poll!<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\"

value=\"1\" />Yes I got the stupid pun.<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\" value=\"2\" />No, didn\'t get

the stupid pun<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\" value=\"3\" />You shouldn\'t call your sweet cinnamon

puns stupid! That\'s muffin to get upset about!<input type=\"radio\" name=\"option\" value=\"4\" />None of

the freakin\' a -- bove!

[DrSmellThis]

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formula 1:

All ingredients

formula 2:

with

only the optional cinnamon leaf added

formula 3:

with both the optional cinnamon leaf and bitter orange

added



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Oops, I missed this: Formula 1 of Randy Pants is just

the sandal and neroli. #2 has the cinnamon. # 3 has everything.

[DrSmellThis]

Answer to the

above thought exercise:

You guys and gals need never be confused when people start talking about

\'aromatherapy\' while you are trying to talk about perfume. Aroma-therapy is about healing, and mitigating

harm. It presumes a lack, disease, or stressful circumstances; an unwellness.

Like aromatherapy,

perfuming is a science. But perfuming, as I have described it, is much bigger. It is world culture and

history; art; fashion; a form of recreation, sprituality and sensuous life enhancement. Since it trains the nose, it

enhances survival and procreation; as well as one\'s ability and sensitivity for intimacy. It is a social glue

that enables smelly humans to get along. Perfumes are items of prescious value, signifying status, sophistication,

magic, and enjoyment of life.

Now I am going to be so presumtuous as to \'assign homework.\' But how

can I get away with such preposterousness, you might ask, since none of you formally agreed to participate in any

class? The answer is, I am now categorically renouncing sensitivity! I can get away with it because I\'m a

bastard, and don\'t care! Neener, neener neener! And because I\'m going to wait to post new information until

some people get more involved! Because I do care. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Because the

learning is mostly in the doing in perfumery.

Y\'all\'s assignment is to submit an original mix for

discussion, following the principles, examples and tips we have discussed so far. I\'m asking for folks to please

say something about the theme of their mix, not just give drops; and to say how the oils they have chosen

expresses that theme.

[DrSmellThis]

Oh, since I

screwed up slightly on the above poll, the only way you can vote and see results is to press \'enter\'. Sorry

for the confusion. Of course, I am aware that nobody but moi cares about the dumb poll. But teaching is an

essentially narcissistic enterprise, that only pretends to help people. God, that feels better. How did I ever think

I could become sensitive?

[Kari]

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Quite a convincing endorsement, Elana.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Guess I need to run some errands today.

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Got question for you. I had an \"overnight guest\" recently

who said she thought Patchouli smells like sex to her. Would you or any of the other ladies agree?

Needless to

say, I put a few drops of Patchouli in my bedroom that night. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Patchouli smells woody, and very sexy in a \"clean\" way.

[Elana]

I made the exact

recipe for Turning Oriental. It\'s brilliant! It\'s so sexy. I even used a bit in my nebulizer (not a great idea

because of the thick benzoin) and my room smells gorgeous.

I don\'t know if any of you guys are making any of

these recipes that DST is posting. If you are not you are really missing out.

[bjf]

How much do you wear of

these things (application amount)?

Everything smells sexy to you. Water smells sexy to you

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Seriously, how do they compare to the comercial perfumes (be

honest).

[Elana]

No...I don\'t like

really light, girlie, flowery fragrances. I like sweet, spicy, oriental, musky stuff.

Trust me...this stuff

smells like something that you would buy in the department store. I think it is very unisex as well.

mmmmmmmmm

that man is wearing bottled water....I am so turned on. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Kari]

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How much do you wear of these things (application

amount)?

Everything smells sexy to you. Water smells sexy to you

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Seriously, how do they compare to the comercial perfumes (be

honest).

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I agree with Elane. I go for the orientals, but I prefer

mostly vanilla-based ones like Allure and Shalimar.

I wear the straight perfume oils, which I order from Kuwait.

It\'s the same as the perfume, but no alchohol. I guess the Kuwaitis prefer their designer perfumes concentrated.

[Elana]

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How much do you wear of these things (application

amount)?


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I didn\'t add a carrier to it. I like to use it

straight. I multiply the amounts x 8. I put a small amount of unscented lotion in my hand and add a few drops. I am

wearing it now directly on my skin with no lotion. I thought that the cinnamon might bother my skin, but it does

not. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[bjf]

all this stuff seems

like it would smell good. plus a lot funner to make it yourself then buying some commerical fgragrance. That is

why I don\'t like to wear some of the good colognes -- everyone else has them, I just think it is so unoriginal.



Anyone know of any plays with a large sampler set of a lot of different oils in very small quanties?

[Sexyredhead]

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Answer to the above thought exercise:

You

guys and gals need never be confused when people start talking about \'aromatherapy\' while you are trying to

talk about perfume. Aroma-therapy is about healing, and mitigating harm. It presumes a lack, disease, or stressful

circumstances; an unwellness.

Like aromatherapy, perfuming is a science. But perfuming, as I have

described it, is much bigger. It is world culture and history; art; fashion; a form of recreation, sprituality and

sensuous life enhancement. Since it trains the nose, it enhances survival and procreation; as well as one\'s

ability and sensitivity for intimacy. It is a social glue that enables smelly humans to get along. Perfumes are

items of prescious value, signifying status, sophistication, magic, and enjoyment of life.

Now I am going to be

so presumtuous as to \'assign homework.\' But how can I get away with such preposterousness, you might

ask, since none of you formally agreed to participate in any class? The answer is, I am now categorically renouncing

sensitivity! I can get away with it because I\'m a bastard, and don\'t care! Neener, neener neener! And because

I\'m going to wait to post new information until some people get more involved! Because I do care.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Because the learning is mostly in the doing in

perfumery.

Y\'all\'s assignment is to submit an original mix for discussion, following the principles,

examples and tips we have discussed so far. I\'m asking for folks to please say something about the theme

of their mix, not just give drops; and to say how the oils they have chosen expresses that theme.



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My homework must wait until my sense of smell comes back.

Hopefully around the first frost, when whatever it is I\'ve been allergic to for the past few weeks DIES.

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[Elana]

My first attempt

sucked. I started with 6 Peppermint, 4 Rosemary, and 2 Cedarwood. It smelled like a doctors office rather then a

snowy winter day in the forest. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

I\'ll try

again. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]