That wasn't what I was thinking when I first read that quote.Originally Posted by DCW
That wasn't what I was thinking when I first read that quote.Originally Posted by DCW
The above recipe is for
people who like patchouli, but the E oil does get a bad rap, as it is often misused (i.e., applied straight in big
doses). This is the simplest way I know to wear a high concentration of patchouli without smelling funky! It is a
proper way to wear it. Most great perfumes have some patchouli, so most people who say they hate it really just hate
the misuse of it.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
I am very sensitive to
patchouli. I can smell patchouli in a hallway nobody's been in for 15 minutes, then follow the smell to whoever has
it on, even when nobody else can smell it. I do occasionally like it in small doses, depending on what else is in
the mix, but if I can actually smell the patchouli, it ruins it for me.
I wasn't bashing your mix, Doc.
Just making a comment about my weirdness.
"I have a hammer! I can put things together! I can knock things apart! I can alter my environment at will and make an incredible din all the while! Ah, it's great to be male!"
--Calvin & Hobbes
Well you are sensitive!
I posted that about Patchouli just for educational purposes. Patchouli is very controversial in Oregon, with all the
hippies out here! Misconceptions abound.
I prefer not to wear it by itself, as it is just too dry smelling.
Something needs to be done to "soften" and moisten" it. It gets far better with aging of a year or more, though, so
much that I probably would wear it by itself if was a couple years old. It starts to smell rich, sweet and
wine-like.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Hey I haven't been around
for a while. I notice a poll at the top of the page. It gives you the choices, but says nothing about what the
poll is regarding. What's up w/ that? Wouldn't it make more sense to have the poll question
included in that little box? Does anyone really give a damn that I'm asking this question?
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a fv<k, 'cause I make 'em pay for it.-Sagacious1420
I like the amber/patchouli
combo. I've used them both in a few blends. Don't know that I could handle a 2:1 ratio though. Maybe something
like 10:1. Throw in some vetiver and you've got a nice earthy combo, imo.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a fv<k, 'cause I make 'em pay for it.-Sagacious1420
The poll is from a post ages
ago. The way this forum is set up, the poll is at the top of the thread, not in the post.
"I have a hammer! I can put things together! I can knock things apart! I can alter my environment at will and make an incredible din all the while! Ah, it's great to be male!"
--Calvin & Hobbes
I know what you mean. Yep, that is another good way to goOriginally Posted by Sagacious1420
if you want to emphasize the amber, but I already put up an amber recipe. Do please post your recipes if so
inclined!
The smell of Sturgeon isn't the prettiest, but it does have a time-tested, enchanting
quality to it, especially after blending with your BO. But the Eden amber is pretty thick liquid, too, and can
stand up to the P. (BW, no need to dilute unless application is a problem.) Incidentally, I try to smell a few
bottles of amber before picking out the one I think is the sexiest for this mix. also you want to add another drop
of amber if you are using brand new, "more harsh and dry" patchouli.
***
It is a different philosophy of
perfuming -- based on the erotic, emotional, psychological, and body chemistry enhancing aspects; as well as how
nice the smell seems "at first sniff". The idea is to work with everything the oils are doing, to work with
natural human smells, and have the oils enhance one's "quality of life" as broadly as possible, rather than make
them serve a more narrow function or purpose of just immediately pleasing the nose. You please the person through
the nose rather than please the nose, in other words. Pheros was built on similar thinking, where the
overt, immediate smell was one, but not the only, aspect considered. Nonetheless, I do remember getting quite a few
compliments from the mix, after some "charging time". It just takes a couple dabs for your whole body. Also the
smell seems a bit of an acquired taste. It's not difficult to see why.
Regarding aesthetics in general,
the same idea works for any sense: The overall effect of sensory input conditions the narrower, immediate response
to that sensory input. The bigger part conditions the smaller part. It's common sense, really.
For example,
you please the person through their eyes rather than just please the eye or visual cortex. That idea helps
explain how less handsome or less pretty people attract through their looks, "despite their looks". It's what
your looks do rather than "how your looks look", in other words. ("Won't 'cha look at the size of the wallet
on that man!"). This also helps explain the phenomenon of "acquired tastes". Eventually the
non-pretty person looks "beautiful".
Regarding olfaction, this is also a general case theory that helps put
JVK's "phero-conditioning", along with other miscellaneous phenomena, within a larger context. Regarding the sense
of touch, for instance, this theory explains why spanking and other forms of S&M could be so pleasurable. The
stimulus itself is valuable mainly in being intense in a generic sense. The pain itself is relatively trivial
(yet it happens to occur near the genitalia, which i'm ignoring for present purposes). That makes it a good raw
material for pairing with whatever larger pleasures of living it gets paired with. According to this line of
thinking, any intense, generic stimulus can work(within certain neurological limits. Some stimuli are universally
unpleasant and unable to be conditioned otherwise). Regarding sounds, it is also easy to see why thrash music, heavy
metal, grunge, and noise music can be so appealing. Some would say that liking "hard" or dissonant music reflects a
distorted sense of aesthetics.
While I wouldn't go that far, given that there are other possible beneficial
effects of dissonance (such as stirring up emotions that needed to be), it generally is easy to see how aesthetic
sense can in fact be distorted in an unhealthy way, according to this kind of thinking. Within the field of forensic
psychology, for example, this theory partly explains the occurance of serial murders, one of the most intense
stimulil possible. The psychopathology involves the murderer being able to psychologically disassociate all the
pre-associated meanings from killing (such as the fact of lifelong horror and sorrow for the families), leaving only
the intensity of it. The intensity of imagining the killing is then paired with various pleasures.
On a more
general scale, where we consider the emotions to be another kind and level of stimulus, this explains the
pathological appeal of gossip, which takes pleasure at the drama and intense misfortunes of others.
Still more
generally, Western culture in general is plagued by it's tendency to pathologically encourage the stripping of
original, natural meanings from basic stimuli of life (e.g., war, quietly being in nature); causing us to value
intense simuli above the gentler, natural, less intense kind (e.g., fresh veggies, a walk in the woods, time at home
with friends and family, etc). Being cut off from simple, natural pleasures has resulted in a cultural mental
illness that all of us suffer from, to some extent. It is a kind of sensual poverty. We of course seek to compensate
for our loss of natural pleasures. We feel the need to restore pleasure to our lives artificially; filling them with
constant, intense stimuli; such as synthetic perfumes, action movies, drugs; babbling superficial conversations, and
pornography. (I miss the "crazy" icon from the old forum!). Unfortunately, the more artificial pleasures
are cumbersome to create by comparison, causing us to waste the earth's resources, as well as our own time and
energy. Damn!
Oops, I just hijacked my own thread!
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DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Thanks, SRH. Yep, for some reason the fact that there is a poll in there changes the way the threadOriginally Posted by Sexyredhead
appears in the index.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
HI
EVERYONE...newbie here lovin this perfume section!!!.
I use patchouli in quite a few of my fragrance blends (not
always in top or middle notes mind you) but my favorite is a blend with sweetgrass musk and mysore sandalwood.
yummy...reeeow. But with amber...good god..a guy wearing that in 10 feet of me would be considered
"hot"..curious...maybe very sexual? I'd be wondering..and wondering..lol
Patchouli does to me exactly what it
says:euphoric/aphrodisiac. ...but I know the old standard love it or hate it-some people I know are just SO offended
by patchouli like it just said something very sleezy! lol..but I love to tell them, Well your in for a surprise
because the majority of perfumes use it! It's all how you work it
Someone I know had a very old patchouli, well
aged and my god It was sex in a bottle!
I am very passionate about how I think about fragrances and catagorize
them in some way as I learn more and more..
I have loved this area of the forum alll about fragrance...I even
ordered samples of Amouage Gold for women!!!!
Im going to Vegas soon...any good perfumeries I shouldn't
miss?
How does this blend sound Dr?
Labdanum Absolute 3mls, Frankincen. E.O. 3mls, Geranium Bourbon
10mls,
Benzoin 3 small globs, Orris Concrete-small glob,
Rosewood 1 ml.,
Fir balsam Absolute 3drops, Jasmine Sambac 20
drops.
I
have yet to work with Benzoin, Orris or Labdanum. Globs i cannot interprete what this can mean..are they that thick?
Ohhh Im
gonna have so much fun in here!!
there are layers and layers -- you're bottomless, unfathomable. Your clearness is deceptive. You are the thinker who arouses most confusion in me, most doubt, most disturbance. Anais Nin
I don't know about any good
perfumeries but you sure sold me on Patchouli.
Welcome to the Forum!
OK. A woman after me own heart. Welcome, Violetsky!!Originally Posted by violetsky
See, guys? Wear some Sturgeon and score! Would
I steer you wrong? I spent a lot of time in North Indiana.
Yes. Aged P is the stuff! Let me know what you think
about the Amouage. I am wearing Amouage at this very moment! Tssssssss! Damn I'm hot!!
If you go to Vegas, you
want to smell like a Turkish brothel with polyester furnishings.
OK, so I just returned from a long jam session
and had a few pints! Don't worry, I'll lose my sense of humor in the morning!
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Sounds great, very yummy;Originally Posted by violetsky
although the geranium is the only thing I've a question about there, as it's so fresh and edgy, whereas everything
else you listed is so rich and "Amouage-like." Of course, it might be just glorious exactly how it is. Your nose is
the authority. Rose, lemon, and a touch of ylang would be a good alternative to the geranium; with many of the same
qualities that geranium brings, but richer and maybe more appropriate to the other ingredients. The rose
would tie your other ingredients together in this case. You could try myrrh, musk, ambergris, and/or balsam peru
also. But if you put any on I'm coming over there.
You can melt benzoin in the microwave on the lowest
setting for a brief moment. Why go by "globs"? I have never used orris, for some reason. I guess I didn't relate to
it yet; and there are so many things to use. Some day I will.
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DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Originally Posted by violetskyWELCOME VIOLETSKY!!!!!
How
long have you been messing around with essential oils? Do you have any more recipes? This is a great thread but it
always seems to die down. I hope we can keep it going. What is Orris Concrete?
Welcome, Violetsky!
"I have a hammer! I can put things together! I can knock things apart! I can alter my environment at will and make an incredible din all the while! Ah, it's great to be male!"
--Calvin & Hobbes
Hey girls!!
AND GUYS TOO!!! THANKS for the sweetest welcome
Elana: I do have a ton of recipes. I started like 4 yrs
ago..it's a long story starting with majoring in history in college..save for a rainy day online when your all
bored....but basically in the past few years I've been selling blends I create. I create the basic fragrance for
use in candles I make or as perfumes, in dead sea salt blends..now theres quite a few I can share cuz i love sharing
but there's some filed right next to Hanger 51 lol...
I still have many oils to explore...it's so fascinating
how endless it seems.
GLOBS: I was always afraid to overheat-I avoided my dreadful $79 microwave that I somehow
always manage to burn something in..case in point..my smore last night got really knarly at 20 seconds...in my head
im thinking okay expensive oil into satan's pleasure box ...hehehehe...maybe 10 seconds or less I'll do.
there are layers and layers -- you're bottomless, unfathomable. Your clearness is deceptive. You are the thinker who arouses most confusion in me, most doubt, most disturbance. Anais Nin
Greetings, Violet! I look
forward to seeing some of your recipes, too. Messing around with the -mones and scents is great fun.
See the geranium bourbon/reunion I thought might be the best to use because it is sweeter and
I worried about the headyness or deepness of all these lucious scents..your right it's very up
there..
Wow LEMON? i think i avoid it alot..for some reason
even though i dont really hate it per se, i use it only in 3 blends.. which rose variety to achieve the richness you describe?
The orris root is because it just so dern witchy..smells alot like violets..good fixative..and
associated with the Moon. Im goin for a scent that reminds me of Salem...wow what a place..we went the week AFTER
halloween..sadly my husbands bus. trip couldn't fall right on it...but its a very very interesting town. The
fragrances in the air drove me wild..they all had some verison of these ingredients...the ones with musks and what
must have been benzoin aphrodisiac were really intoxicating to me. My husband even commented on how the smells in
every store subconsciously suggest eroticism...here and there i kept saying they were unconsciously trying to get me
to just run naked through the street with a tamborine..lol
there are layers and layers -- you're bottomless, unfathomable. Your clearness is deceptive. You are the thinker who arouses most confusion in me, most doubt, most disturbance. Anais Nin
I use bulgarian concrete for
that effect these days, but really I just smell the rose oils and pick one. One always stands out as being what you
are looking for. Lemon, as with orange, goes very well with frankincense. It also goes well with rose (which
obviously goes well with your chosen oils, too), as anyone who has smelled lemony roses knows. I had a wild idea
about "rock rose" (labdanum) being similar that way, or at least being "willing to be talked into it". Come to think
of it, I did once create a perfume that was lemony with labdanum that turned out nice -- like a dessert
sherry.
If you have a heady mix already, more heady things might not make it moreso; but might just
create a unified effect with depth and breadth; a perfume that refuses to apologize for itself. A great
perfume, like any great work of art, is one single idea. Of course, what that idea is comes from your own
singular imagination, not another's advice.
I know what you mean about recipes. I am also limited by not
wanting to divulge too much, as any perfumer will pretty much lose the ability to pay rent by divulging their most
teasured formulae, or even a signature combination used in various creations. But if I know I'll never market a
scent I can feel better about giving it up. How do you sell your stuff, violetsky?
I can liquify benzoin in 4
seconds in my microwave! So yeah, go easy on the nuking.
Salem, huh? Ooooooooooo, witchy woman!
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
DrSmellThis: I have understood
that you are very knowledgable of essential oils, so I have some questions for you:
In this thread there are
some oils that probably could do some harm if one is not careful:
You have Bergamot that is to some extent
phototoxic (is it possible to obtain bergapten-free oil somewhere?) on the skin, probably Lemon and Orange too?
Cinnamon leaf oil that - according to one of my books "The Encyclopedia of Essential Oils" by Julia Lawless
- can cause irritaion on mucous membranes. You mention also Cinnamon bark oil that the book says is quite hazardous
to use - dermal toxin, irritant and sesitizer according to the book - particulary on the skin.
Cedarwood
Atlas is said to be avoided during pregnancy. I haven't found out why this is the case. Do you know that?
I
have ordered "Essential Oil Safety" by Robert Tisserand, but havent received it yet.
I will read it on my
vacation (that starts tomorrow btw!) and possibly I will know after that all about Cedarwood Atlas and pregnancy.
LoL
Take care guys and girls,
W
Sure. That's what I use. Camdengrey has it. A lot of places have it.is it possible to obtain
bergapten-free oil somewhere?
I have had a really hard time
finding a distributor of decent oils in Sweden, and they - alas! - don't have this, so cannot use bergamott for
now. I found a good supplier in the UK though but they didn't want to send stuff outside UK. It's a bitch finding
good suppliers with the EU.
// w
BTW Elana, you and I joined the forum within a few months of
eachother, but look at our post-count... I think I have to use all of my vacation to match you...
Are you calling me a big mouth?BTW Elana, you and I joined
the forum within a few months of eachother, but look at our post-count... I think I have to use all of my vacation
to match you...
Elana : 11.77 posts per day
Nobody even comes close
RW, if you will read all the
way through this thread, you will see warnings about the use of cinnamon and bergamot, as well as some others. I
have very fair skin, and haven't had any problems with regular bergamot EO. Phototoxic means it makes it more easy
for you to sunburn, and I'd be in big trouble if I surnburned more easily! Lemon and orange are ok. There are
also some links listed waaaaay back in this thread for internet sites that give safety data on different
EO's.
Here's one you can reference til you get your book: http://www.aromaweb.com
Go to
'Oil Profiles' and it lists uses, notes, and any precautions.
"I have a hammer! I can put things together! I can knock things apart! I can alter my environment at will and make an incredible din all the while! Ah, it's great to be male!"
--Calvin & Hobbes
Oh, atlas cedarwood as well as
several other EOs have been known to cause miscarriage if used during pregnancy. Here's an excerpt from
http://www.skincareindia.com/index-cid-12-pid-157.html :
Essential Oils for Limited Use During
Pregnancy
Cypress (Cupressus sempervirens) from the evergreen tree
Cypress oil may be used AFTER the
fifth month of pregnancy, as it is particularly helpful, when mixed with a cooling lotion or gel, for varicose
veins. It is a gentle diuretic that can assist in decongesting fluid retention in heavy, aching legs and swollen
ankles.
Use AFTER the fifth month of pregnancy, in local applications only (lotion/gel).
Geranium
(Pelargonium graveolens) from the geranium plant
Geranium oil is known as an all around balancing oil
because it puts the body back in balance. It is a very strong oil and is best avoided as a body massage during
pregnancy.
Geranium is astringent, refreshing and relaxing with a lovely aroma. Geranium may be used AFTER
the fifth month of pregnancy for the wonderful relief it gives to tired and aching legs – it is good for poor
circulation.
Use in room fresheners and AFTER the fifth month of pregnancy in local massage gels, footbaths
and carrier oils.
Lemon (Citrus limonum) from the rind of the lemon
Lemon essential oil has a sharp,
fresh citrus scent. It is refreshing, cooling and antiseptic and aids in circulation.
During pregnancy it
can be used in a burner (lamp ring/diffuser) for morning sickness and mixed with lotion or gel for varicose veins.
Sandalwood (Santalum album) from the sandalwood tree
Sandalwood is very exotic, relaxing and is
excellent for dry or sensitive skin. It can be particularly helpful for urinary tract infections during pregnancy.
Use in baths and for skin care.
Tea Tree (Melaleuca alternifolia) from the tropical tea tree
Tea Tree is incredibly useful (along with lavender) and mild enough to be used in small quantities directly
on the skin. It can be used to deal with thrush during pregnancy.
Use in local applications, mixed with
lotion or carrier oil.
Essential Oils To Be Avoided During Pregnancy
Angelica, Hyssop, Peppermint,
Aniseed, Jasmine, Rosemary, Basil, Juniper, Savory, Camphor, Lovage, Sage, Cedarwood, Melissa, Spanish Marjoram,
Clary Sage, Myrrh, Sweet Marjoram, Clove, Marjoram, Tarragon, Cinnamon, Origanum, Thyme, Fennel, Parsley,
A
Word Of Caution
If you suffer from epilepsy or any sensitivity of the nervous system, always consult an
Aromatherapist for advise about your choice of essential oils. Some oils, if used indiscriminately or without case,
could aggravate your condition or even trigger an attack. DO NOT USE FENNEL, HYSSOP, SAGE AND ROSEMARY.
If you
suffer from asthma, eczema, dermatitis or any other allergies, aromatherapy can certainly be of help, but ask the
advice of an Aromatherapist BEFORE buying essential oils.
Consult a physician prior to using any essential
oil.
"I have a hammer! I can put things together! I can knock things apart! I can alter my environment at will and make an incredible din all the while! Ah, it's great to be male!"
--Calvin & Hobbes
No, but now that you mention it...Originally Posted by Elana
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