Phenylethylamine - The chemical of Infatuation

[DrSmellThis]

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WoW ! First , somewhat interesting

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This might well be the first time you\'ve been interested in months. But does every

thread/poster have a responsibility to hold your interest? And how many interesting threads did you start?

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[skeptic]

I didn\'t know \"oxy\" was a neurotransmitter. o_O

Secondly, I\'d like to see a source on

your assertion that 99% of GHB use is for date rape, and 1% for bodybuilding. Seriously. Back it up.

GHB has

seen and continues to see plenty of use as a recreational drug and as a less toxic substitute for alcohol, at least

when it\'s available, on the east coast and in parts of the upper midwest that I have anecdotal \"eyes and

ears\" in.

As to your statements about serotonin and PEA and \"oxy\" lasting six years, and other such ..

interesting ideas (sound waves and mind control?), I think I\'ll wait for the report in Nature. ^_^ A B.S. in

organic doesn\'t confer a Ph.D. in neuropsychology, psychopharmacology, or anything else.

Incidentally, I

believe that \"phenethylamines\" when used to refer to centrally acting drugs is sort of a moniker used to

describe an entire family of structurally related compounds which include MDMA, MDA, and cousins. I\'ve used it

as such (and seen it used as such) due to the work of Alexander Shulgin, who penned the (in)famous _Phenethylamines

I Have Known And Loved_, and later, _Tryptamines I Have Known And Loved_. CF:

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online

/pihkal/pihkal.shtml

In fact, the online version of the book even goes so far as to helpfully provide a

definition for us:

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phen-ethyl-amine \\fen-\'eth-al-a-,men\\ n. [phenyl fr. F. phène, fr. Gk.

phainein, to show (from its occurrence in illuminating gas)+ ethyl ( + yl) + amine fr. NL ammonia] 1: A

naturally occurring compound found in both the animal and plant kingdoms. It is an endogenous component of the human

brain. 2: Any of a series of compounds containing the phenethylamine skeleton, and modified by chemical

constituents at appropriate positions in the molecule.

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I imagine the key word in that definition would

be \"skeleton\", for those prone to trifling over exact semantics.

[Jones]

\"I didn\'t know \"oxy\" was a neurotransmitter. o_O\" -technically it is, if oxy stands for

oxytocin. Wow I mentally misplaced two consanants, big deal.

\"Secondly, I\'d like to see a source on your

assertion that 99% of GHB use is for date rape, and 1% for bodybuilding. Seriously. Back it up.\"
Cry me a

river. Its illegal to posses, and anyone who doesnt need to take haldol would only risk getting arrested if they

were using it for date rape.


\"As to your statements about serotonin and PEA and \"oxy\" lasting six years,

and other such .. interesting ideas (sound waves and mind control?),\"
Its just a conspiracy thoery. There are

some interesting articles on the net.

\"A B.S. in organic doesn\'t confer a Ph.D. in neuropsychology,

psychopharmacology, \" Id love to hear input from with a Ph.D.


\"Incidentally, I believe that

\"phenethylamines\" when used to refer to centrally acting drugs is sort of a moniker used to describe an entire

family of structurally related compounds which include MDMA, MDA, and cousins. \"
And your beliefs would be

wrong.

\"In fact, the online version of the book even goes so far as to helpfully provide a definition for

us:
phen-ethyl-amine \\fen-\'eth-al-a-,men\\ n. [phenyl fr. F. phène, fr. Gk. phainein, to show (from

its occurrence in illuminating gas)+ ethyl ( + yl) + amine fr. NL ammonia] 1: A naturally occurring compound

found in both the animal and plant kingdoms. It is an endogenous component of the human brain. 2: Any of a series

of compounds containing the phenethylamine skeleton, and modified by chemical constituents at appropriate positions

in the molecule. \"
Yes, I made a detailed explanation describing the skeleton. Would you like me to do this a

again? Secondary amine w/ a phenyl and an ethyl. Is that MDMA, sadly not. It is a 2-phenyl-ethylamine. Big

difference. Stop offering opinions and start learning.

[skeptic]

I\'m not interested in \"learning\" from people with smartass attitudes like yours, right or wrong.

In your case, you\'re serving bullsh!t soup with a pinch of knowledge for seasoning, and it ain\'t with a

smile. Try getting a B.S. in tactful discourse, it\'ll do you some good.

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[Holmes]

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Its illegal to posses, and anyone who

doesnt need to take haldol would only risk getting arrested if they were using it for date rape.

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\"Hello, may I speak to Hal?\"

\"Hal who?\"

\"HALDOL!\"

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As you were, gentlemen...


Holmes

[manchorito]

phenylethylamine, say this all works, and we can wear it, and you fall in love with someone and they

fall in love with you. The day you stop wearing it is the day its over. We\'re talkin possibly divorce.

[Jones]

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phenylethylamine, say this all works,

and we can wear it, and you fall in love with someone and they fall in love with you. The day you stop wearing it is

the day its over. We\'re talkin possibly divorce.

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You might

think...

But Helen Fisher found that PEA levels only rose when couples were romantically in love. If you could

induce the levels for 3-4 years, then stop, it would be the same as if the person was naturally producing the stuff.

Romantic love fades on average in 4 years.

this is all thoeretical of course.

[Jones]

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I\'m not interested in \"learning\"

from people with smartass attitudes like yours, right or wrong. In your case, you\'re serving bullsh!t soup with

a pinch of knowledge for seasoning, and it ain\'t with a smile. Try getting a B.S. in tactful discourse, it\'ll

do you some good.

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Yea your obviously a master of

\'tactful discourse\' yourself.

[TBiRD]

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This might well be the first time

you\'ve been interested in months.

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Obviously depends on the

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But does every thread/poster have a responsibility to hold your interest?

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ABSOLUTELY ! ! ! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]



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And how many interesting threads did you start?



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Y o u d e c i d e

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...nah no offense doc , I appriciate your comments



~peace out~

[DrSmellThis]

T-Bird, thanks for bringing \'street cred\' to the forum.

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Peace out to you as well, sir.

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[Holmes]

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Peace out to you as well, sir.

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Yo, Docta

SmellDis, don\'t be frontin\'.


Holmes

[DrSmellThis]

Shiiee! I ain\'t triflin. Naw dawg, I\'m good. I\'m good. Jus parlayin.

Is that a bit

more adequate?

Ho-lla.
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[Holmes]

Why, shibby, I think he\'s got it! I say, old boy, you\'ve got me straight tripping. Now

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Holmes

[DrSmellThis]

I thank you \'bout gettin ready to smart mouth me. How big a boy are ya? When\'s uh last tahm ya

haid je dad gum ass whupped? Cause ah\'ll be own ye! Ah\'ll be own ye lak ants on a snow cone dahn nar, lak ugly

own a baboon\'s ass.

[Sexyredhead]

Ahhhh, the sweet sounds of home.

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[DrSmellThis]

You a big-boned woman? Ah maht just take a shinin\' tew ye. Mah poor departed waf, Normer Jean, was a

big-boned woman, Gawd rest\'er soul. Used ta whup my ass alla tahm.

[Holmes]

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You a big-boned woman? Ah maht just

take a shinin\' tew ye. Mah poor departed waf, Normer Jean was a big-boned woman, Gawd rest\'er soul. Used ta

whup my ass alla tahm.

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Yesssir, a good woman, Ah recollect.

Mmmmmhm. Me, Ah reckon Ahma figgerin\' how ta git me a hold a more a those french-frahd taters.

Mmmmhmm. Sure is gid. No big-boned woman a come tween me and them biscuits n musterd neither. No sir.

Mmmmhhm.


Holmes

[DrSmellThis]

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[Whitehall]

It is difficult enough to make

sense of your writing when you\'re attempting standard English but this is impossible.

[DrSmellThis]

Ahl dumb it down fer ya,

TAMEPP. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[fizzymcgee]

sorry to come back to this

thing so late... i would like to clear something up...

jones:
first of all i\'m sorry if i was wrong

about the MDMA classification. I looked at the molecule and thoguht about it and almost agreed with you, but i have

heard it clasified so many times as a phenylethylamine i thoguht perhaps the classification could refer to the fact

that the benzene ring is attached to the ethyl group of the amine, NOT the nitrogen atom itself. it doesn\'t mean

there is an amine with a phenyl group and an ethyl attached, but an ethyl group attached to a phenyl... so if i

remember correctly that means it\'s a primary amine in MDA and a secondary amine in MDMA. i did take a year of

o-chem and it\'s been a while but this seems to make sense to me. I think, however, it\'s actually supposed to

be phenethylamine, not phenylethlyamine. I would honestly love to hear what you think because i\'m always willing

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if i am right

about this i belive it means all amphetamines are phenethlylamines.