Phenylethylamine - The chemical of Infatuation

[bsxs]

When humans fall in love, it is phenylethylamine that is released. We need to find a way to get phenylethylamine in pheromone form. Chocolate has that in it, maybe that\'s why Angel is big.

[skeptic]

Of course, it\'s a hell of a lot more complicated than this.

MDMA (ecstasy) is, if I\'m not mistaken, a phenethylamine. Plenty of drugs are phenethylamines. I have my doubts that many of them will ever be effectively delivered in gas or vapor form, however.

[Kari]

That\'s also why lovesick people often crave chocolate.

[Whitehall]

There is phenylethylamine (PEA) and then there are the varients with extra side groups hung off various points.

As to falling in love, it\'s a bit more complicated as oxytocin is a more direct casuation of \"love\" (attachment and bonding) while PEA is more implicated with the excitment of lust.

A great book that I\'ve recommended many times is \"The Alchemy of Love and Lust\" by Crenshaw.
(http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...4441&itm=1)

[Jones]

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When humans fall in love, it is phenylethylamine that is released. We need to find a way to get phenylethylamine in pheromone form. Chocolate has that in it, maybe that\'s why Angel is big.

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This thread is wrong on so many levels.

1. Chocolate doesnt just have PEA in it, mostly its theobromine and caffeine that give the \'hi\'

2. Whitehall is more correct, but just one chemical aint responsible for love. Its a cascading a very delicate process, when Helen Fisher began observing PEA levels, her conclusion was *not* that is was infatuation itself, but a piece of a puzzle which poses a model of chemical stimulants which acount for some kinds of love

3. You are completely ignoring the moral implications. Oxy is a street drug, it almost killed jack osbourne, and it does kill thousands. PEA would be, if it wasnt such a bitch to make and store.



Pheromones work on a natural level. If your goal is to induce a drug like euphora, I sugest you go find some GHB.

Tell the judge you were using it for pheromonal purposes.

[jamesdeanmartin]

Um....

A lot smarter people than I will probably jump in on this, but...

oxytocin

is very much NOT

oxycontin (oxycodone is the active ingredient)

and while oxycontin is abused, it is perscription drug. Saying thousands of people have died from it is likely an exaggeration.

Do you have info to back up that PEA kills thousands?

And GHB is a date-rape drug, pheromone users are date rapists? Please.

take care,
JDM

[skeptic]

While this is rapidly moving into off-topic-land, GHB is only a \"date-rape drug\" in the hands of date rapists.

Everything else is pretty much correct, though I don\'t know about the PEA content of chocolate. Just a note, though, I\'m assuming PEA is referring to a single compound (phenylethylamine, as some have said), and not the FAMILY of phenethylamines.

[jamesdeanmartin]

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GHB is only a \"date-rape drug\" in the hands of date rapists.

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And your point is?

JDM

[Holmes]

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GHB is only a \"date-rape drug\" in the hands of date rapists.

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And your point is?



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Whereas, in the hands of Jim Carrey, it\'s a RRRRRRRRRRRIOT! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]


Holmes

[Whitehall]

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Whitehall is more correct, but just one chemical

aint responsible for love.

Mr. Jones



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May I suggest a close

reading of the actual words I used. I only corrected the associations of PEA and oxytocin and did not claim that

either was the sole chemical involved.

[skeptic]

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GHB is only a \"date-rape drug\" in the hands of date rapists.

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And your point is?

JDM

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By calling it \"a date-rape drug\", you\'re mischaracterizing it by assigning qualities

present in some small percentage of users to the substance itself.

[Jones]

Yea your right, i mixed up the oxy\'s. But oxycontin does kill.

\"And GHB is a date-rape

drug, pheromone users are date rapists? Please.\" GDM

Maximizeing a natural signal is one thing, designing a

drug to get someone high by getting them to sniff something makes you a rapist if you plan on having sex with the

chick. If a drug ever came out that raises seratonin the way PEA/Oxy does, the FDA would make sure every trace of

it would be destroyed.

I would challenge anyone to defy the idea that using a PEA/Oxy (neurotrans stim)

qualifies as anyting else other then the date-rape method of getting a chick hi then trying trying to sleep with

her.


\"By calling it \"a date-rape drug\", you\'re mischaracterizing it by assigning qualities

present in some small percentage of users to the substance itself. \"

99% of GHB is used from

date-rape
1% of GHB is used for bodybuilding

Also, MDMA is not a PEA. I think some neuro trans

probably have that moiety, but MDMA does not.

[fizzymcgee]

wow jonesy... speak what you know please. i myself have never tried GHB but i have friends who LOVE the

stuff simply because it\'s a great high (or so i\'ve heard). And i\'ve never heard of it being used for

body-building, not from anyone i know. that could very well demonstrate my lack of knowledge on the subject, as i

said i\'ve never taken the drug and therefore never taken an interest in learning about it.

One thing I am

quite certain of, howeever, is that MDMA IS a phenylethylamine.

Also, who the heck ever said anything about

having sex with the person you are using the drug on? I thought this was thread about making them fall in love, not

making them horny enough to take advantage of.

[jamesdeanmartin]

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1% of GHB is used for

bodybuilding

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Don\'t you mean HGH?

I\'m starting to think

this guy is some chem nerd trolling for some laughs in the lab.

[Jones]

\"wow jonesy... speak what you know please. i myself have never tried GHB but i have friends who LOVE

the stuff simply because it\'s a great high (or so i\'ve heard). And i\'ve never heard of it being used for

body-building, not from anyone i know. that could very well demonstrate my lack of knowledge on the subject, as i

said i\'ve never taken the drug and therefore never taken an interest in learning about it.

One thing I am

quite certain of, howeever, is that MDMA IS a phenylethylamine.

Also, who the heck ever said anything about

having sex with the person you are using the drug on? I thought this was thread about making them fall in love, not

making them horny enough to take advantage of.\"

Did you read the title? \"Phenylethylamine - The chemical of

Infatuation \" -- you only reason for making a partner lust after you is for sex. Or maybe if you were really

twisted there could be something else.





You going to lecture me on organic chemistry? I am Chem B.S, do

you have a college degree?

GO here: www.chemfinder.com
Type

MDMA
Type PEA

Show me where on the 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine molecule you see a phenyl group attached to

an ethyl amine?

I see a dioxole group, a secondary amine and a Beta-amino propylbenzene. Please show me where the

aromatic carbon attaches to nitrogen so we can call this a phenyl ethyl amine-which is by definition of course a

secondary amine.

But I am sure you know that, b/c I am sure you took 2 years of organic chemistry.

Whoever

told you MDMA was a PEA was not a chemist. Just some idiot who can barely understand the language.

[Jones]

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1% of GHB is used for bodybuilding

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Don\'t you mean HGH?

I\'m starting to think this guy is some chem nerd trolling for

some laughs in the lab.

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GHB used to be sold at GNC as a

bodybuilding supplement. The people began abusing it. Now please accuse me of trolling before someone intellegent

contributes to this conversation

[Jones]

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1% of GHB is used for bodybuilding

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Don\'t you mean HGH?

I\'m starting to think this guy is some chem nerd trolling for

some laughs in the lab.

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I am so big a troll that I planted this

message



http://www.healthboards.com/addiction-an

d-recovery/1194.html

almost 3 years ago

[jamesdeanmartin]

Hi Jones,

I was making fun of you because you mixed up oxycontin and oxytocin. I

was trying to be clever. Apparently that went over your head. I thought it was funny.

I\'m guessing english

isn\'t your first language, so I\'ll play nice but your tone is highly confrontational and mildly annoying.

Everyone around here is pretty damn smart, a lot of us even qualify for membership in mensa, so bragging about a

b.s. isn\'t going to amount to much.

This is an area for conversation and intelligent dialogue, not a

monologue. Your tone perhaps should be more gentle, especially considering the fact you lectured us on the wrong

facts.

take care,
JDM

[Jones]

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Hi Jones,

I was making fun of you

because you mixed up oxycontin and oxytocin. I was trying to be clever. Apparently that went over your head. I

thought it was funny.

I\'m guessing english isn\'t your first language, so I\'ll play nice but your tone is

highly confrontational and mildly annoying. Everyone around here is pretty damn smart, a lot of us even qualify for

membership in mensa, so bragging about a b.s. isn\'t going to amount to much.

This is an area for conversation

and intelligent dialogue, not a monologue. Your tone perhaps should be more gentle, especially considering the fact

you lectured us on the wrong facts.

take care,
JDM

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I am

sorry you were offended. Even if you have an IQ of 200, there is still no way that you know more about organic

chemistry me unless you have a BS or Ph.D. in a related field. Bragging is when you build yourself up for no

reason, I was simply explaining how anyone with a room temperature IQ could reconize that someone who has a BS in a

certain subject probably knows more about it then those who do not.

I am still waiting for your to show me a

benzylic amine with an ethyl group on the MDMA. Oh wait, you have no clue what I am talking about. Why dont you

just accept the fact that becuase you read about pheromones doesnt make you an intellectual equal when you cross

over to a field which some people devote there entire live to.

[jamesdeanmartin]

No matter how much you beg I\'m not going to have sex with you.

take care,
JDM

[Jones]

Id expect a little more wit from a law student

[Quorum]

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GHB used to be sold at GNC as a

bodybuilding supplement. The people began abusing it. Now please accuse me of trolling before someone intellegent

contributes to this conversation

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I can back Jones up on that, I

can definitely remember seeing ads for GHB in powerlifting &amp; bodybuilding magazines, back around 1988 or 89 I

believe. Was almost going to try it myself. But I never got around to it, as it was taken off the market shortly

thereafter.

[Jones]

Thanks. Yea, there is this one guy at my gym who still used it up till recently. He got physically

dependant on the stuff and never realized it, he got arested for possesion of it a few months ago.

[Ash]

Jones. I know you got your blood up tonight (too much coffee?) but this request is not intended to put

you on the defensive. Could you elaborate on the statement below? Addressing both the Serotonin connection to

PEA/Oxy and the FDA stamping out a drug that would raise S levels.

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If a drug ever came out that raises seratonin the way PEA/Oxy does, the FDA

would make sure every trace of it would be destroyed.


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Also,

at the bottom of that reply you used a word unfamiliar to me: \"moiety\" What\'s that? Is it a word that has

morphed into a chemistry term?

1) moiety. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth

Edition. 2000.
...Anthropology Either of two kinship groups based on unilateral descent that together make up a

tribe or society. Middle English moite, from Old French meitiet, moitie,...



Thanks!

Ash

[Elana]

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No matter how much you beg I\'m not

going to have sex with you.




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I will

[Jones]

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Jones. I know you got your blood up

tonight (too much coffee?) but this request is not intended to put you on the defensive. Could you elaborate on the

statement below? Addressing both the Serotonin connection to PEA/Oxy and the FDA stamping out a drug that would

raise S levels.

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If a drug ever came out that

raises seratonin the way PEA/Oxy does, the FDA would make sure every trace of it would be destroyed.


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Also, at the bottom of that reply you used a word unfamiliar to me:

\"moiety\" What\'s that? Is it a word that has morphed into a chemistry term?

1) moiety. The American

Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
...Anthropology Either of two kinship groups

based on unilateral descent that together make up a tribe or society. Middle English moite, from Old French meitiet,

moitie,...



Thanks!

Ash



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Sure no prob.

moiety

as definied by m-w.com ;

2 : one of the portions into which something is divided : COMPONENT, PART

Its

basically a chem term for functional group (meaning a grouping of atoms like a phenylethylamine).


Sure, about

the Oxy/PEA thing.


Those are some POWERFUL molecules? Remember when you first had a crush on a girl? Remeber

how sometimes you can become completely fixated on just one girl, so much so that you miss turns and consider

yourself in love. We could call this infatuation type love.

This state of mind causes a revved up neuro

production. Your brain works at insane speeds. You feel high. The effect is so massive, that one cannot sustain

that high for very long. We all know that two partners fall out of this \'hot and heavy\' state.

Helen

Fisher has extensively documented this phenomenon. She even thoerizes that the reason we have a 4 year divorce peak

(the number of years into a marriage when most divorces occur) is becuase 4 years is the maximum amount of time that

the brain can produce PEA and Oxy and seratonin in these huge amouts.

I am basically summarizeing \'the

anatomy of love\', by helen fisher. in case anyone is interested.

Another interesting related thing, about PEA,

just to explain what it is; Fisher told females to bring in pics of there boyfriends. There brain was scanned for

PEA levels. Once they looked at the picture, one could measure a rise in PEA levels almost instantanously.

I

explained all this to show just how powerful the love drugs are. X isnt a love drug-and is very powerful.

Trust

me, if you could willfully raise PEA and Oxy in anothers brain, you could seduce any woman you wanted. Surely.



I call that wrong.

But I dont call pheromones wrong. Becuase, 1. - they dont really do much, and 2. - its a

signal that is already present.

[Jones]

BTW, the women in PEA study claimed to be \'in love\'

[Jones]

Well anyways, the point is, we would be dealing with a powerful molecule. Basically mind control.

Course the goverment already knows how to do that with sounds waves.

[TBiRD]

WoW ! First , somewhat interesting thread in months...

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[Sacogoo]

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Well anyways, the point is, we would be

dealing with a powerful molecule. Basically mind control. Course the goverment already knows how to do that with

sounds waves.

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Don\'t forget the old government standby -

flouride. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]