How to Walk A Woman

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Curious if you guys have ever given this much thought. Friday SDR and I went out. Just to walk with him is such a pleasure. He held my hand and when we crossed the street, if the cars were coming too fast, he pulled my hand back. I had on very high heels and if there was ice on the sidewalk or the road, he held my hand up and warned me there was ice, step carefully. He would put his hand on the small of my back and guide me. Walking with him is like dancing. I felt cherished and protected just by how he walked with me.

Not to mention that he opened doors for me, including the car door - and had me stand inside where it was warm while he went and got the car and came to pick me up.

Just those things made it beautiful for me.

Probably just because I had on PCC and -nol. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

[bivonic]

Another bit of advice, I had this girlfriend that would always make me walk on the street side of the sidewalk. Ever since then, no matter what girl I\'m with I take this approach, sometimes the girl gets a little confused - but generally does not ask why, but at the same time they feel safe. If they do ask why then I tell them, well if a car was to hop over the curb I\'d be the one to get hit & not you, gets that dreamy smile from them everytime.

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That\'s proper etiquette but nobody knows it anymore. I was surprised that SDR did. It made my night.

[Whitehall]

That\'s the way a gentleman should be taught to act with a lady.

Guys, just don\'t try that with ardent feminists. I remember when it was violently politically incorrect to open a door for a female. Thankfully, that\'s faded a bit.

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I think that\'s faded a lot.

[franki]

I have never seen a woman who was not pleasantly surprised I opened the door for her. Women like to be treated like a lady.

Franki [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[Elana]

<<That\'s the way a gentleman should be taught to act with a lady.>>

Absolutely. For me these things are requirements. I need to feel protected and to be reminded that I am always safe with the guy I am with. If he does not do these things, I am turned off completely and will feel that he is not a real man.

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It\'s true. It astounds me when guys won\'t shorten their stride a little to accommodate a woman in heels so it\'s torture and I\'m practically trotting along to try to keep up, and they just walk in front of me, or go through a door ahead of me and all but let it fall on me -- I\'ve seen it where it\'s not at all intentional but MAN it comes across rude. And the opposite is SUCH a pleasure. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[Elana]

I have had strangers (men) not hold the door opened for me and I always find that so rude. What are they thinking? I always smile and thank a stranger when he does do the right thing. Positive reinforcement [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

also, men should always wait for the women to get on and off the elevator, before they go through the door

[Irish]

They might be thinking what I always think about. I have been berated to my face for holding a door for a woman. \"I am not a child - I can manage the door fine without your help!\". And, in a sense, she was right.

I\'ve learned to save my manners for women I know or those who ask for help. The rest I \'treat like a man\' so to speak - which means I leave them to their own devices unless they request my help. It goes against my nature, but so does taking crap from strange women (if a man talked to me that way I\'d give him a lesson in manners the old fashioned way - can\'t do that with the girls though!).

What the feminists never realized is that being treated like a man is not that great - nobody warned them that a man\'s life is no picnic either.

[Elana]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif[/img] I don\'t ever want to be treated like a man. Maybe I should have T-Shirts made. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[Elana]

<<\"I am not a child - I can manage the door fine without your help!\".>>

That\'s so mean! I can\'t imagine talking to another person like that when they were trying to be polite.

[cuddlebear]

Well, Irish, you sorta beat me to the punch on this one. I was going to comment that some women refuse to let me hold the door open for them or other similar actions, but most are quite pleased and say \"Thank you\" in the sweetest of manners ... The vast majority of women seem to react pleasantly but there are some out there who think it\'s some brand of male chauvinism or what have you ... Or there are the women who will say \"I\'m fine\" when you offer to help with something (e.g put groceries in the trunk of their car). It\'s all I can do to stop myself from saying \"I noticed that\"! Cuddles [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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I have never berated a man for being a gentleman nor have I ever, ever seen that. One bad apple shouldn\'t spoil the whole bunch. Whatever advantages feminism is supposed to have given us ... I work like a goddamn man every day for a living, pay my own bills, get my own car repaired. ... won\'t somebody at least open a door for me once in a while and remind me I\'m a woman?? Or I may as well grow a dick and be done with it.

[cuddlebear]

No no .. SDR wouldn\'t like that [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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Probably not. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[Elana]

<<Or I may as well grow a dick and be done with it.>>

And how would one go about doing this? Are there special seeds you ingest? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

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I think Whitehall has a cream.

[Wolfe]

i always step into the elevator doorway both on/off before a woman does and stand with my body blocking the door so it wont shut on her. hope you\'d find that acceptable, some dont seem to understand and have frowned at me over it but i\'ve seen the doors close to soon and hit them before. i make sure it doesnt.(small price to pay i guess-a frown)

[Elana]

That\'s nice too Wolfe. As long as it was obvious that you were doing it to protect her from the doors. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

FTR- If I used the cream, is there one to reverse the effects? I wouldn\'t mind having one for a few days.

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I don\'t know. I told Whitehall I\'d try it if he\'d come and rub it on me. I haven\'t heard back yet. I\'ll let you know.

Elana - have you ever noticed that it only takes about three exchanges between us before we\'re contriving a way to get dick? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

[Elana]

<<Elana - have you ever noticed that it only takes about three exchanges between us before we\'re contriving a way to get dick?>>

You started it [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif[/img]

[Wolfe]

why is it i have trouble believeing either of you have trouble \'getting it\' ?

[Irish]

I\'ve had more than one episode of being lectured about what I consider politeness actually being a putdown. Logically, I was forced to agree...chivalrous behavior is very romantic to those so inclined, but really has no place in public intercourse. Women are adults, equal, and in no need of generalized male protection as a policy. Hell, I might enjoy strange women opening doors for me and sheltering me from vague \'dangers\', but I sure as hell don\'t expect it as a right!

It\'s a sad deal for me, but the Middle Ages are long gone, and I might as well face that. Privately however, we can be as chivalrous as we please!

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I\'m going to put this to you bluntly for the sake of time. That was a woman who\'d never been raped or hit. BULLSHIT we don\'t need men to protect us. BULLSHIT. That\'s a bunch of BULLSHIT. It is not logical. Its just wrong. IMHO. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

I\'m not your equal. I am not your equal in pay, I am not your equal in strength, I am not your equal in many, many respects. Wishing I were does not make it so. I am most definitely not your equal when we are walking a city street at night. I reserve the right (yes, right) if you escort me, to take your arm and expect you to keep me where you can see me and watch out for me in public places. I\'m not helpless but I\'m not your equal.


Who have you let take away your chivalry, and why?

[Elana]

There have been several occasions when I have asked men I don\'t know, to walk me to my car if I have felt unsafe, and they have always been more than happy to do this. I will also go on record saying that women do need men to protect them.

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Especially if you\'re dressed up - heels and a straight skirt - you can\'t even run in that. If the skirt is long, you couldn\'t even kick in it. You have no way to protect yourself, you\'re a walking target for anyone who wants to do you harm. And then the guy\'s gonna (because some jackass book-knowledge smart-ass so-called feminist brainwashed him) say that you\'re \"equal,\" so you don\'t need any protection??

I understand the theory but it doesn\'t play out.

Besides the fact that it\'s not sexy. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[Wolfe]

i\'m \'old fashioned\' and any woman that seems offended by that isnt my kind of woman anyways(i\'d never change what or who i am to try to please a woman) so i\'d just go find another one and leave her to her own ways.

[Irish]

Chivalry at it\'s core requires \'special treatment\' for some. The idea of \'special treatmen\'t is incompatible with \'equality\'. Equality in the strictest sense means we must all share the same burdens/risks as well as the same benefits. This is at least an intellectually honest approach to this nonsense for those that think this way - it is consistent.

I personally agree with pretty much everything you say, but my personal lifestyle often conflicts with society\'s political correctness. And abiding by PC standards is unfortunately the safest way to get by in public and the workplace. Just ask Whitehall, who got raked over the coals at work for complimenting a woman on her clothing. I reserve my chivalry for those who appreciate it, and since there\'s usually no way to tell that in a female stranger, I\'ll just skip the politeness and treat her as an \'equal\'. Less hassle. Hopefully her boyfriend/husband treats her with all the specialness she deserves - that\'s his job, not mine (anymore).

[Sexyredhead]

I love gentlemen. Being gone from the South for years really made me appreciate southern men that much more when I came back. Yes, they have their faults, but it\'s rare that I have to open a door, carry anything heavy, or walk anywhere alone at night. And if you need anything fixed/moved/etc, one call, and they\'re on it. And it doesn\'t matter if they know you or not, for the most part. And all you have to do to thank them is cook them supper. lol
I know the South isn\'t the only place where men do those things anymore, but there\'s a big concentration here, and I love \'em. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img] Also takes them a while to start to cuss around you--and some of them never do. I used to not care, but I find in the absence of it, I really notice if men do cuss around me now, and not in a good way. Hmm...
I\'m spoiled down here, but I love it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]