Phero References: General and Specific Of-Interest

[DrSmellThis]

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Display&dopt=pubm ed_pubmed&from_uid=11897264

[MaxiMog]

Oh yeah!!!!!! Thank you DOC. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

[MaxiMog]

The people doing those tests really should come and take a look at this forum. There would be less testing required and more evidence. I\'m not even sure they\'re familiar with OD-ing on pheros. I have never read something like it in any scientific article on pheros. OD-ing is a very important aspect to keep in mind while testing.

[DrSmellThis]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uid s=1892794&dopt=Abstract

[DrSmellThis]

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uid s=11975863&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uid s=11928179&dopt=Abstract

[DrSmellThis]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uid s=11554217&dopt=Abstract

[MaxiMog]

I posted that DHEA article in the DHEA-S thread, too.

[MaxiMog]

LOL. So if you wear cops as a man, you\'re in fact keeping women away. This is gonna mark the end of a lot of EW testing on men I guess.

[MaxiMog]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Display&dopt=pubm ed_pubmed&from_uid=11369678

[DrSmellThis]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uid s=10067138&dopt=Abstract

[DrSmellThis]

...for -none to work as a pheromone, if it does.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uid s=8980852&dopt=Abstract

[DrSmellThis]

...by bacteria, and proportions of mones on the body.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uid s=8142319&dopt=Abstract

[DrSmellThis]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uid s=11425511&dopt=Abstract

[DrSmellThis]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uid s=12402561&dopt=Abstract

[DrSmellThis]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uid s=12011790&dopt=Abstract

[DrSmellThis]

It just said no effect, not that you\'re keeping women away, per se.

[DrSmellThis]

As Madmaxx said, those talking about using cops might read the above article.

I hope folks are checkin\' this thread out -- much of what\'s been done in the past few years is here. I sorted through oodles and oodles of links over the course of hours to find relevant abstracts. Also this links to a great search engine for all types of phero information! Dudes!

[DrSmellThis]

http://wwwpsy.uni-muenster.de/inst2/maiworm/index.html

Great link! Must read!

[jvkohl]

I\'m not sure anyone can get the straight story by reading the actual journal articles. \"Statistics can lie....\" Any work associated with Winnifred Cutler is suspicious, and her Archives of Sexual Behavior article was seriously critisized in a subsequent issue (by Charles Wysocki and George Preti). I have other links from my website: Scientific evidence page, if anyone wants to continue reviewing articles; I also try to include comments on the individual articles or interpretations of findings.

[DrSmellThis]

Yes, the big picture is hard to understand without secondary sources and a scientific background...Of course it is well known that your home page and book are excellent sources of scientific information. We also have to read journal articles to get a feel for what\'s being done. For forum members I think it might both be satisfying and reduce misconceptions to see where information they see bandied about comes from. You are right that it doesn\'t end there. It\'s too bad Winnifred doesn\'t value her own scientific community more.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Why don\'t we like Winnifred?

[cuddlebear]

My understanding is that there was a conflict of interest where the research was being done more to push a product than to get the truth .. JVK could elaborate I\'m sure ...

[DrSmellThis]

She declines to participate in the scientific dialogue regarding her claims, from what I\'ve heard; giving folks little reason to believe her. I assume she must believe it unwise economically to do so, or else she has nothing positive to reveal. Too bad, but I don\'t think it hampers us too much, regarding DHEA.

[DrSmellThis]

That is the link that lead to an article that talks of -rone, BTW...

[DrSmellThis]

bump for availability...

[DrSmellThis]

Skeptics, check out the very first article abstract in the top link for starters! This is possibly the most important single study conducted on pheromones, for forum purposes, that is.

[DrSmellThis]

From time to time

I plan to freshen up this old thread for newbies by adding articles.

This one indicates that we are not the

only ones caught up in the smell/vision discussion, and that we may as well assume both smell and vision are

important, since for example we do not know the extent of functionality of the human VNO compared to that for other

primates. We know there is some functionality, and are reasonably certain that non-vomeronasal pheromone pathways

exist as well. For these reasons, only research on humans can provide strong scientific evidence regarding pheromone

pathways and effects in humans. Research on other mammals, however, is an excellent source for

hypotheses.

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/a

bstract/100/14/8337

It is also interesting that pheromones are water-soluble. That must be why I

noticed that soapless hot showers were helpful.

[CptKipling]

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I\'m pretty sure that adrogens are lipid, not water, soluble. Maybe

they are talking about another chemical family?

[DrSmellThis]

I would guess the

nasty ones might be water soluble, so that nature could allow for water bathing to be effective. A species too

grossed out to reproduce doesn\'t last very long.

[Irish]

“Scientists are

debating why primates evolved full color vision and whether that development led to a reduced sense of smell.”


http://www.sciencenews.org/20031011/bob9ref.asp



Surely all lies?!?

Oh the humanity! Oh the heresy!! Tall tales of the independence and importance of

sight over olfaction!!!

“We presume that, at a certain point in human evolution, ancestral species may have

relied more on visual and auditory signals, rather than on chemical signals, for communicating social and

reproductive status...an enhanced reliance on vision may have led to a reduced reliance on chemical signaling in

mediating social interactions” (Liman)

\"...suggesting that a vision-based signaling-sensory mechanism may

have in part replaced the VNO-mediated chemical-based system in the social/reproductive activities of hominoids and

Old World monkeys (catarrhines).\" (Zhang)

I can’t take it any more – it’s all a conspiracy of evil idiots!

They are all wrong (though I can’t quite remember why...). Olfaction rules, and is the mother-goddess of all senses.

Amen.