Calling All Edge Users -- Dabs?

[DrSmellThis]

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Life on the Edge
Here is an unresolved question. Many of us dab Edge instead of spraying, for the sake of precision. If this is true for you, how many dabs of Edge have been most effective for you so far?
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[jcarter]

Would love to know the answer to this \'cause I\'ve not found it yet!!?!

[DrSmellThis]

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[Wolfe]

HOLY MOLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 10+ daps?????? and some1 actually uses that much??..lordy

[DrSmellThis]

LOVE to hear the whorey story behind that one!

[DrSmellThis]

Interesting results so far. With the numbers being so small, I wonder if the -none is not really what causes the OD\'s, since people seem to get away with more -none when used alone?! (1 dab PI = perhaps 8 dabs edge, if just going by -none content) Perhaps we need a second source of none, as perhaps the secret ingredients prevent us from getting enough without OD\'ing?! Weird.

[BassMan]

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Perhaps we need a second source of none, as perhaps the secret ingredients prevent us from getting enough without OD\'ing?! Weird.

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Exactly. I\'ve thought for a while now that the secret ingredients overpower the none in NPA/TE.

In fact, we have been adding \"clean\" none to NPA in mixes like JB/X.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I\'d have to favor the side saying the secret ingredient it the source cause of ODing. I don\'t normally use just TE however.

I personally place about 2-3 drops of TE and another 3-4 drops of AE(old) as a good mix. TE on the sides of the neck, AE on the wrists and behind each ear. It\'s worked pretty good so far.

[Watcher]

It could be an ODing of the secret ingredients perhaps, couplins and a1 seem to negate the effect of Anone a bit also.
Anol balances it out.

Actually youre mix has merit tyberius, i used to use similar ratios when i had TE and AE together at one point. Therefore it should work pretty good so far into the future.

[DrSmellThis]

So I figure up to doubling the amount of none in Edge or NPA would be good, or maybe half again as much. Edge/AE/SOE 1:1sounds promising for that reason. And no wonder JB1 is successful!

The Mystery of the Edge may have been solved!

[DrSmellThis]

Thus far the numbers suggest a strategy of adding a drop of PI strength -none for every drop of NPA, keeping NPA at perhaps one-quarter the source of one\'s -none, if I\'m not mistaken. This is a significant finding, even if sloppy science, based on a strategy of wearing as much -none and mystery ingredients as you can get away with without ODing, as these are responsible for the sexual hits.

So does anyone know how many drops, as measured by chem set droppers or whatever, are in a bottle of edge?

I\'m thinking the best thing to do is to add -none, -nol, and -rone to a bottle of edge, so as to bump up the -none, and preserve AE-like ratios of -nol and -rone.

At first I was figuring 200 drops/8 = 25 drops chem set strength per bottle of Edge; but with none at say 50% and the mystery ingredients at 25% apiece, we could estimate 12.5 drops of chem set strength none eqivalent per bottle of edge...

Now I\'m thinking maybe 500 drops per bottle, or 63 drops of chem set -mones per bottle of Edge or NPA, perhaps half of which is -none, which means you\'d want maybe 28 drops chem set -nol and 20 drops of -rone per bottle of edge, plus maybe 16 drops of chem set -none. We could substitute 32 drops of PI for this. To top it off, 13 drops or so of A1 per bottle would be enough to be effective yet not cause side effects..

Further, I\'m thinking the best thing to spike NPA with is PI! If you want sexual, go for sexual.

What do you think, forum members?

[bjf]

Wow, this is really getting confusing. PI seems to be better than NPA because of no secret ingerdients? Then why keep using NPA in the first place? Also is it 1:1 NPA:PI that DrSmell says is the best or 1:4?

[DrSmellThis]

Sorry for the confusion. It was all pretty new to me too.

Based on this survey and past frustration with the LaCroy products, I have concluded the proportion of secret ingredients in Edge/NPA, which is otherwise a wonderful product, is too high to use effectively by itself.

But 2-3 dabs of Edge don\'t get you as much -none as you need for those really sexual hits.

So it\'s best to have a second source of -none so you don\'t slather on secret ingredients just to get enough -none. This is also why it would be good to be able to buy -none-free NPA.

Hence the success of the new KRDD mix, and of the old JB mixes! Am I making sense? This is new information.

[Irish]

Doc - I\'m having a little trouble following the mixology, but FWIW my \'old reliable\' hit-getter is a spray of Andro4.2 and a spray of TE (or maybe 2 light sprays of TE for some situations). This is about the first thing I ever tried, and it made me a believer in pheros (thought they were snakeoil before trying). Man, the A4.2 is even good on its own, but with TE (or a dab or two of NPA) it is just killer. I had to practically beat a married woman off of me the first time I tried this, and her husband was right there watching! Not for the fainthearted.

[DZorro]

16 to 17 dabs isn\'t that abit of an overkill on the mones ??? I wonder what kind of reaction, you get when applying that mucht TE. I think with that much,people around you will get abit violent, will they not ???? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] i don\'t use more then 3to4 dabs of TE. And i use the fragranced verion of The Edge.

[TBiRD]

I think \"scientist\" made an excellent job finding the best working ratio for PI :
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We have dabs, drops, and sprays. Note that the viscosity of the solution and the type of applicator can change the size of these units (a drop from a fine syringe needle and a drop from my fingertip are very different in size). I\'m using my finger as a \"standard\" here \'cause that\'s what we all use in real life. To measure the units, I used a calibrated 1 milliliter syringe to measure what got dispensed onto my finger or cap.

Dab. This is where one wets the fingertip by holding it over the bottle mouth and tipping the bottle. This was hardest to measure, it comes down to being about 0.01 ml, and no more than 0.02 ml. Measured with a bottle of AE.

Drop. A full-size, free-falling drop from the fingertip measures 0.05 ml. Note that this leaves a partial dab on the fingertip after the drop falls. Measured with a bottle of APC.

Spray. OK, I\'m sure this varies widely, but I measured the spray from my bottle of The Edge into the plastic cap. It\'s 0.13 ml.

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At this point, I looked over all the past messages looking for dose and \"hit\" reports (and overdose reports, too.) I also calculated (like Wilde Oscar) the pheromone content per ml.

Here\'s the \"consensus\" dosing I uncovered for several products:

The Edge (TE): 0.12mg/ml. one or two sprays.
Alter-Ego (AE): 0.45mg/ml. two to four dabs.
Primal Instinct (PI): 0.5mg/ml. 4 dabs, 1 drop, 2 drops.
Andro 4.2: .14mg/ml. two sprays.

Using the unit measurements from above, and doing the math:

TE: One spray = 0.13ml * 0.12mg/ml = 0.016mg/dose
TE: Two sprays = 0.26ml * 0.12mg/ml = 0.031mg/dose

AE: Two dabs = 0.02ml * 0.45mg/ml = 0.009mg/dose
AE: Four dabs = 0.04ml * 0.45mg/ml = 0.018mg/dose

PI: Four Dabs = 0.04ml * 0.5mg/ml = 0.02mg/dose
PI: 1 drop = 0.05ml * 0.5mg/ml = 0.025mg/dose
PI: 2 drops = 0.1ml * 0.5mg/ml = 0.05mg/dose

Andro: Two sprays = 0.26ml * 0.14mg/ml = 0.036mg/dose.

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What\'s this all mean? Notice that we\'ve got a range from 0.009mg to 0.05mg, and that it appears the \"preferred\" or recommended dosages are around the 0.02mg range, +/- a few mg, regardless of the products used.

I did more math and message reading, and the overdose range appears to start around 0.04mg/dose. While there\'s some reported major hits at 0.05mg, I think they\'re the exception. There\'s more reported negative hits above 0.04mg than positive 0.05mg hits. Note this is in keeping with the warnings about not using more than one drop of PI.



quote end [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img] enjoy - props to scientist !

[Watcher]

I think Tbird u guys and girls have come up with some real useful advice and data - now how about having it put into the cookbook as extra advice or warnings etc. And the pheromone reference material.

ANother question.
What about if its concentrated in one area of the body or all over 0.05mg might be more benefical if applied in a head to toe and back to front manner.

[CptKipling]

It would explain why TE/NPA work so well when mixed.

(TE/NPA):AE is still a very good mix, and the Doc\'s work backs this up.

[DrSmellThis]

Ignore my math, Irish. I was very sleepy [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

The idea is what counts.

[DrSmellThis]

So it\'s lookin\' like 3-4 dabs is the \"go get em\" dose.

That leaves room for a \"bit\" more none, and the \"usual\" amount of nol and -rone. Rone spiked attraction might be the simplest way, or PI and -rone spiked SOE, or just the KRDD approach. AE/Edge might short change the -nol a bit, but for some it might be great. Maybe a little SPMO thrown in. Or spike the AE with CS -nol.

But I\'m thinkin 1 drop PI and 3 dabs of Edge is a pretty good way to get a serving of -none.

[DrSmellThis]

Thanks to everyone for participating -- you\'ve all been a big help!

[MOBLEYC57]

Yankee doodee went to town...riding on a poney..... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[TBiRD]

Here is something I backed-up back in the days when I was doing lots of researching/learning. I think it might help u , unfortunatly I forgot the thread/discussion origin (so incase u remember point me to it) + I think it was oscar who said this. (Don\'t quote me on this one , cos I don\'t really remember [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) :

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So it should not be suprising that, in my recent Life on the Edge survey, the 25 respondents endorsed peak effectiveness at around 2-3 dabs, while the response dropped off in a steep manner after that. What that means, I suspect, is that 2-4 dabs provides enough \"mystery pheros\" to have all our matching VNO neurons firing already, \"thank you very much!\"

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Well , there u go...this is another proof for your results drsmellthis ! Seems like u CAN od on the secret ingredients ! So if u use more than 4 TE dabs you are basically messing it up for yourself. Again, this also explains why NPA/TE + AE mixes are so successful when the dosage is right : 2,3,4 drops AE + 1 dab NPA or + 2,3,4 dabs TE is the killer combo !

Sounds good to me , Lately I\'ve been running around with 6 -8 dabs TE + half a pack SOE the results were excellent. However , when spending time with my girl I used 3 dabs TE + just a bit soe (she is close to me anyways , so why use more) and the results were even better , pretty much everytime resulting in animalistic sex that SHE initiates 99% of the time. I\'m like : Hey , lets hit the club , huge party , all my friends will be there ! She is like : Skip the Party lets F**k ! Another thing I noticed , her pupils are always heavily dialated when she is around me + once she gets into the mood for sex , she just keeps on looking and looking into my eyes (DIHL at its best) her eyes are kind of sparkling while at it. (I haver to admit , this is scary sometimes - I even told her few times NOT to stare at me , cos it makes me feel uncomfortable. Then again , its not her fault [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )

So end of the story : If you are around your girl , don\'t use more than 4 dabs TE , when clubbing : MORE seems to work just as good (unless its an individual thing with me , almost every phero works on me; its just that some work good , others work better [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] )

[monesrule]

that is a good post. 2 to four dabs of te is like one dab of npa. You can always use that amount of npa/te, and then use aandro or pi to add more none.

[DrSmellThis]

Just remember that Edge comes in a wide mouth bottle, and NPA dabs are smaller. Perhaps 1 drop NPA (plus other stuff) is the correct dose? Oscar is good at this stuff.

Newer folks, please check out the above poll results if you haven\'t yet. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[DaVinciKittie]

Is there a way to add a thread to favorites without having to actually post in the thread? Sorry to post off topic, but I wasn\'t sure how else to do it. I\'ll delete this if I need to. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[franki]

Just click on \"Favorite Thread\" in the \"Extra Information\" box at the bottom of each thread.

[DaVinciKittie]

Thanks Franki. Got it.

[DrSmellThis]

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