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    Default Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

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    Ok well it has apparently according to media reports been done, we can now copy ourselves and have exact copies of ourselfs (younger of course) running around.
    The interesting thing is, is its a UFO worshipping organisation that has been involved in this.
    Im just waiting for more news before i comment to far on this.

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    Default Re: Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

    A copy of myself?

    I\'d never, ever wish that on ANYBODY....let alone force it on a helpless kid. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

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    Yeah the lifelong stigma associated with being the first. And it is a bit out there, i say the whole thing is a hoax anyway to draw attention to this UFO Cult fringe group.
    Although it points to the future of genetic engineering future offspring to have certain traits as well.
    The major religions are all against it, and the science community is split saying it has no real value to the biological sciences apart from that it can be done.

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    I don\'t believe that this group actually did it either. I just think this particular incident is an effort for publicity...or maybe a scam to get money.

    Regardless, someone out there is in the process of cloning, or is going to actually clone someone eventually.

    What bothers me as much as the idea of people trying to do it is the fact that there seems to be so many people out there wanting to have themselves cloned. I just don\'t understand that mindset. It just seems the height of egotism to me. But, that\'s just me.

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    Default Re: Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

    Perhaps copy of yourself is a bad idea, Jambat had many poblems to kill him copies.
    Now serious, I do not believe that is truth, but if is true, the authorities must take some attitude, after all I think that human clone is forbidden by law in almost countries.

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    ok, heres my read on this, like it or not cloning IS gonna happen so fighting it is useless. that leaves us asking what to do about it now and IMHO we need to \'control\' it as best as we can. that means doing it, like it or not. Some1 is gonna do it and we need to understand what it is thier doing, only way to do that is to do it ourselves (meaning in the USA where it IS banned) The reason i say this is simple. somewhere, somehow it WILL be done, and many of those wanting to do it are some of our BEST researchers and if we stop them from doing it here in OUR country they will simple go where they can do it..now, do we REALLY want our best leaving for somewhere else??..

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    Default Re: Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

    Human cloning is a VERY bad idea.

    \"Hi mum,\" says Sarah, \"what day this week was it that my first period will come?\"

    \"So my hair definately won\'t stay this colour?\"

    Most probably a lie. Its abominable, the first cloned animals had huge defects, some were even inside out. You know Dolly the sheep? She developed many ailments commonly associated with old age very prematurely.

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    Default Re: Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

    i didn\'t say it was right, or that i agreed with it, simple stated that it\'s gonna happen rather we like it or not and i hate to see our best researchers leave the country for any reason.

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    Default Re: Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

    Cloning people creeps me out, however, I am all for organ cloning if it can help save lives.

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    Default Re: Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

    It figueres that those \"raelian\" jack-offs would make the announcement from hollywood fl (that is where I live) There are so many weirdos here, they have the \"Weirdo, crazies, and drunks\" convention here in hollywood.

    Personally I think cloning is wrong for one simple reason, there are too many people on this planet. And if we have ever have some shortage of people, well lets take care of it the old fashion way. I volunteer myself for a few rounds of duty [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

    Though personally I would get some through enjoyment out of some 18 y/o sharkria, j-lo, and brittany spears clones. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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    Default Re: Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

    <Though personally I would get some through enjoyment out of some 18 y/o sharkria, j-lo, and brittany spears clones.>

    We\'ve got plently of them already here in South Florida.

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    Default Re: Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

    well bring on the clones [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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    Default Re: Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

    Wolfe is right, cloning is going to happen and we need to be there to help keep it on the right track. Anybody remember when abortion was illegal almost everywhere in the US? If you were rich, you went to another country to get one, if you were poor, you found a back street doctor (butcher) to do it for you. Do you have any idea how many young girls bled to death, developed terrible infections or were unable to ever concieve again because we were so short-sighted?

    Much like the drug war, people are going to do it whether it is legal or not. I don\'t believe this cult group\'s claim, but I do believe it will happen soon. In our best interest, we have a need to assure that cloning is done in a reasonable and ethical manner. We can only do that by making it legal and monitoring it.

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    Default Re: Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

    Wolfe my post wasnt a stab at you, it wasnt posted when I replied. I think you made some good points. We cant jsut hide from the problem.

    Organ cloning on the other hand is looking very promising. iirc they have already grown a heart.

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    tis sad this day(cloning) had to even come about thats true enough and didnt mean to sound like i was upset with you on your reply to the subject.
    But one thing i\'ve learned in life

    Stick your head in the sand
    Somebodys gonna shoot you\'re ass off. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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    Default Re: Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

    Now, I like that. That\'s good.

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    Default Re: Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

    Cloning human beings is a silly idea invented by scientists who don\'t know what to do to be famous and rich... On an ethical point of view, I can\'t agree with it.
    I heard this french woman (I feel sorry to be french today !) talk on tv. She is one of those Frankenstein-like \"scientists\" and said the raelians were criticised and treated \"like the Jews during the last world war\"...
    But, as Wolfe says, we\'ll have to do with it, unfortunately...

    Some day nature will win. Nature always wins ! :-)

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    Default Re: Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

    Cloning could have usefull applications, like organ replacement (no more waiting lists), and stem cells. But allong come a bunch of people taking it too far.

    I\'m unclear on this point, why did they actually do it? Was it firtility treatment?

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    Default Re: Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

    \"Cloning could have usefull applications, like organ replacement (no more waiting lists), and stem cells.\"

    Not too long ago I saw an article (some science journal) that showed scientists had successfully grown a (replacement) human ear on a mouse\'s back.

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    Default Re: Comments on the cloned baby by the raelians.

    Ok, it gives me the creeps ... but ... (cringe, don\'t hit me) what\'s unethical or wrong or any more unnatural than in vitro or surrogate mothers or the rest of the weird sh*t people are doing who are desperate to have kids ... why is cloning worse?

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    Well, in vitro and surrogate mothers are producing new and unique individuals. They still essentially crate a new child that is a product of a mother and father....a unique new child.

    In cloning, you essentially remove the uniqe properties of the potential new human, and instead are recreating a person who has already existed....same DNA and all.

    One of the big problems I have initially is that all the bugs have not been worked out. Most likely, cloned children are going to be faced with massive health problems, and probably pre-mature death. Why is having a carbon copy of somebody else so neccesary to place such hardships on the new cloned person? If it\'s going to be done, at least get all the bugs worked out with animals before trying it on humans.

    I do see a real need for cloned organs, but that\'s not the same as a completely cloned person. Why do we need clones...to what end? They may share the same DNA as the original, but it\'s not going to be the original person.

    That\'s just my initial take. It\'s all too new for me to completly understand all the ramifications of it though.

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    Default Time to Re-Read \"Brave New World\"

    Call me old-fashioned, but I never found anything lacking in the classic method of making babies.

    Both parties usually enjoyed the process, one could make reasonable guesses as to the outcome, and there was always hope for improvement. Plus, it only took two people and neither had to wear a white coat. No supplies needed. On the big picture scale, it sure seems to work given world overpopulation.


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    I so agree. But people who want their own children and can\'t have them will go to any lengths to get them. If nothing else works, there\'s cloning. Which reproduces DNA, but ... even though it looks exactly like the person it was cloned from, a clone is its own person.

    I\'m not saying I\'m for it, mind you. I\'m just asking, is the uproar really just because it\'s new? Like we were all grossed out at in vitro and now it\'s commonplace. Or it is here. I know several female attorneys who had in vitro just because they didn\'t want to fool with the time it took to entertain a man, but wanted a child.

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    >>But people who want their own children and can\'t have them will go to any lengths to get them. If nothing else works, there\'s cloning. <<

    Well, I\'m not an expert, and someone may correct me. But, I don\'t believe cloning has ANYTHING to do with helping people who can\'t have children. In those cases, invitro and the other things are valid proceedures for them. But, my understaning is that in cloning they are taking a viable healthy egg from a person who is able to having children, cleaning out its genetic material, and replacing it with the DNA of the person they want to clone.

    So, in essence I don\'t believe the argument about cloning as a means to help those who can\'t have children any other way applies here. It\'s more a situation of people who CAN have children other ways just wanting a clone of another person for some unknown, and in my view warped reason.

    One situation I\'ve heard of it being considered is people lose a small child in death. Instead of having another healthy baby they want to replace the dead child with a clone instead of letting nature run it\'s course with a new child. Well, even if the cloned child looks like their lost child, it\'s still not that lost child. It\'s just a carbon copy, but still a different person.

    Anyway, that\'s my understanding of it.

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    Default Re: Time to Re-Read \"Brave New World\"

    Orgy-Porgy [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

    I had a slightly different understanding, not quite so macabre. I thought it was for people who couldn\'t have children any other way, not even in vitro (there are such people).

    Making a copy of someone is ... weird. Incomprehensible.

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    One other thing I\'ve heard about cloning that I might add. But, I\'ve heard that a man is totally unnecessary in the process. His sperm is not needed. Replacing the genetic material in the woman\'s egg with outside DNA fertilizes the egg in some way that I don\'t really understand.

    So, essentially it\'s possible that men could become totally useless in the reproductive process someday. Men could theoretically totally disappear from the face of the eath, and women could still conceive through the cloning process.

    Sounds like some weird Sci-Fi scenario to me. Beam me up Scotty!

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    Default Re: Time to Re-Read \"Brave New World\"

    RE: even though it looks exactly like the person it was cloned from, a clone is its own person.

    That\'s what I\'m waiting for; to see the differences in character in the cloned person from the original person. I want to see just how much our environment and the values of our society really mean to our outcomes as humans.

    As far as the question of it being morally correct goes, it\'s not going to stop it now - legal or not. It\'s science. Period.

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    Default Re: Time to Re-Read \"Brave New World\"

    Lucky, identical twins are genetically identical. There\'s the natural way of seeing nurture vs. nature. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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    Default Re: Time to Re-Read \"Brave New World\"


    Even identical twins raised together can have widely varying characteristics -- as much as 4\" difference in final adult height, markedly different IQ scores, etc.

    So the question is: If genetics (nature) are identical, and growth environment (nurture) is identical, what remains to account for obvious differences?

    There\'s lots we don\'t know yet.

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    Default Re: Time to Re-Read \"Brave New World\"

    Well, you could attribute those differences to exercise, nutrition, etc.. Because even being raised similarly isn\'t *the same.* But I wonder if that covers all the bases.. hm.

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