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    Default Primal Instinct vs. RM

    I have gotten the feeling from this forum that people usually PI over the RM because they have reported better hits with the PI. However, the NONE concentration is the same as PI. If that\'s the case, shouldn\'t these products be eliciting the same types of responses?

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    Default Different Kinds of None?

    Hallo, I`m using pheromones for about three years, but I have up to now never heard that there are different types

    of None (mentioned above)! Is the 5a-Androst-16-en-3-one not the solely Androstenone? If this is right - do exist

    better and inferior kinds of androstenone?
    PS: Sorry for my bad english

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuttgart-man
    Hallo, I`m

    using pheromones for about three years, but I have up to now never heard that there are different types of None

    (mentioned above)! Is the 5a-Androst-16-en-3-one not the solely Androstenone?
    stuttgart-man,

    i think

    those people were talking about the manufacturing quality of AndrostEnone used by different pheromone

    manufacturers.

    as to which manufacturer uses the best quality, i'm not sure (but i do remember that there were a

    few threads discussing this a few years ago). i've had equally great results from PI/m, NPA/m, and chemset -none.

    i've never tried RM, though.

    i don't know if you are aware, but there is another type of -none called

    AndroSTAnone:

    http://www.love-scent.com/product_info.php/p/androstanone/manufacturers_id//

    products_id/102?osCsid=5afd18e27e11dbef977e60b6d12718f0


    here's a link to at least 1 thread talking about

    -STAnone:

    http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthrea

    d.php?t=16955


    i have not had a chance to try -STAnone, myself.

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    PI or RM? I say A-7.

    The -none

    in Alpha-7 seems to be very pure -- no harsh smell, but it's strong.

    Some people have complained that it's

    TOO strong, but that's silly: just use less! That way, it lasts longer too.

    One other difference between RM

    and PI or A-7 is that RM is alcohol-based (I think) while PI and A-7 are oil-based, so the evaporation rate is

    different.

    And A-7 and PI come in unscented versions, which I prefer.

    If I'm going to use a scent,

    I want to pick it myself. And if I want to mix pheros, I don't want to get some random scent based on mixing all

    the scents they have in 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xvs
    PI or RM? I say

    A-7.


    One other difference between RM and PI or A-7 is that RM is alcohol -based (I think) while PI and A-7

    are oil-based, so the evaporation rate is different.
    hallo gecko and xvs,

    thank you for your

    help!

    is there a big difference between alcohlo and oil-base None-products?
    Which kind of product works better

    and longer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuttgart-man
    hallo

    gecko and xvs,

    thank you for your help!

    is there a big difference between alcohlo and oil-base

    None-products?
    Which kind of product works better and longer?
    The difference is the alcohol carrier will

    make it evaporate faster, and the oil slower.. but it also depends to where you apply plus a little for the

    weather..
    if applied to skin either will evaporate faster than on cloth because the skin is warmer.. but the

    alcohol will in any case evaporate faster than the products with the oil carrier..
    But if it's summer the products

    will evaporate even faster (fastest on skin, a little slower on cloth) and when winter and colder evaporate

    slower..
    fx. i use alcohol based products now because its cold here..

    and the oil carrier will often give a

    minor effect for a longer period where the alcohol carrier will boost more because the mones will be released faster

    and then work "stronger"... but i guess you can't see much difference..
    And/or you could use oilcarriers and take

    a very little bit larger dose to compensate for the slower evaporation..

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuttgart-man
    hallo gecko

    and xvs,

    thank you for your help!

    is there a big difference between alcohlo and oil-base

    None-products?
    Which kind of product works better and longer?
    Honestly, I don’t really know the

    difference b/n alcohol based & oil based –mones when it comes to which lasts longer. I know some people feel that

    alcohol based –mones evaporate quicker than oil based –mones, but I’ve never bothered testing this out myself (and I

    never bothered paying attention to it either).

    There are only 2 incidents I can think of that kind of speak

    to this:
    1. I wore 2 drops of PI/m (uncut) one night (this was when I was new to –mones & didn’t know what

    the hell I was doing). The next day, I had to get to the bank to deposit a check. I was in a hurry, so I brushed my

    teeth & washed my face & just took off. I’d forgotten about the 2 drops of PI/m from the night before & didn’t apply

    a new cover scent.
    This was mid-August (a few years back). I walked like 12 blocks in 90 degree

    weather to the bank. By the time I got there, I was sweating profusely. I walked up to the counter & there were 2

    female Filipino bank tellers. One covered her mouth & nose & said loudly: “Ohhhh…my…god…” She kept looking at me &

    turning away, and kept her mouth & nose covered. She had this horrid look on her face & was scrunching her nose.

    This was when I remembered about the 2 drops of PI/m (too little, too late on my part…oops).


    The other Filipino girl (who was helping me w/my deposit) just smiled & deposited my check for me. I thanked her &

    bolted for the door. Two weeks later, the girl who flipped out had quit (I don’t think she had quit b/c of me, but I

    think it’s pretty funny).
    2. I wore an alcohol-based concoction I’d made one night. It was kind

    of an AE/m clone, except it also had NPA/m, chemset –none, and A1 (in addition to chemset –nol & chemset –rone). I

    pretty much kept the –nol to –none to –rone ratios the same as AE/m’s ratios. I wore maybe 4 or 5 drops of this (I

    was even newer to –mones during this incident).
    The next morning, I was supposed to meet a

    friend & his parents for dim sum. Well, I woke up late, so I was in a hurry yet again. You guessed it…I forgot that

    I had –mones on & ran out the door w/o showering or reapplying a cover scent.
    I didn’t get any

    obvious bad reactions like I did at the bank, but I could tell people at the restaurant were kind of shying away

    from me. I had a 3 or 4 foot radius around me while we were waiting for our table. The radius would’ve probably been

    bigger if there was more room…haha. I didn’t remember about the –mones until we were half-way through with dim sum.

    My friend’s mother kept covering her nose. This was either June or July of the same year as incident #1

    (above).
    So both times, the –mones were still “going” the next morning, but I did wear an OD level the

    night before during both incidents (so maybe these aren’t good examples). And I’m sure that most, if not all, of the

    chemset –nol had converted to –none in incident #2.

    One thing I do know (as WorkingMann pointed out) is that

    body heat helps get your –mone signature out there. Back when I played with –mones more often, I would apply a bit

    more during the winter months (like WorkingMann said, colder weather = slower evaporation).

    If you’re

    concerned w/alcohol based –mones not lasting as long, you can try applying via the lotion “trick;” it may/may not

    slow down the evaporation rate. Two or three squirts of lotion in a teaspoon or into the palm of your hand, then

    place however many drops of w/e -mones into the lotion, mix w/your pinky, and then apply. I suppose dabbing & then

    rubbing lotion on top would work also.

    Or you can go w/what WorkingMann said: apply to your clothes,

    instead.

    In the end, I prefer making my own mixes; so I prefer playing w/alcohol based -mones (i.e., the

    chemset).

    EDIT: and yes, both incidents were very embarrassing for me.

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    Hallo,

    Is there a rule

    of thumb how long works None on skin (supposed average heat)?

    If I want to have a constant level of None after

    which time I have to apply which amount? After 4 hours 1/2 of the initial amount?

    Which time needs Nol to

    convert to None? Depends it on temperatue too?

    Do I risk an None-OD if I apply 1/6 Gel Pack of SOE and a 1/6 of

    TE every day? Or are the pheromones completely eliminated within 24 hours?

    Thank you in advance for replying my

    many questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuttgart-man
    Hallo,



    Is there a rule of thumb how long works None on skin (supposed average heat)?

    If I want to have a constant

    level of None after which time I have to apply which amount? After 4 hours 1/2 of the initial amount?

    Which

    time needs Nol to convert to None? Depends it on temperatue too?

    Do I risk an None-OD if I apply 1/6 Gel Pack of

    SOE a 1/6 of TE every day? Or are the pheromones completely eliminated within 24 hours?

    Thank you in advance for

    replying my many questions
    Most say that in general about some hours.. 5-6-7 I would say.. 5 if

    it's sommer, 7 if winter perhaps.. but again different from person to person.. So perhaps even though it's winter

    will only last 5 hours..

    constant level of none? I would be affraid of buildup.. Why you want that

    anyways?

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