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    Default Primal Instinct vs. RM

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    I have gotten the feeling from this forum that people usually PI over the RM because they have reported better hits with the PI. However, the NONE concentration is the same as PI. If that\'s the case, shouldn\'t these products be eliciting the same types of responses?

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    Default Re: Primal Instinct vs. RM

    1. They don\'t have the same manufacturer. Stone Lab\'s none is different from PI-none

    2. The PI-unscented doesn\'t have the (too sweet) (and too) dominant frangrance that RM has. in other words, you can use PI in combination with different scents, but your scent of choice with RM is very limited.

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    Default Re: Primal Instinct vs. RM

    Who\'s -NONE is better? PI\'s or Stone Lab\'s?

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    Default Re: Primal Instinct vs. RM

    I think it depends on your overall goal. PI/m seems to be more sexually oriented and RM (according to feedback.) seems to work better for professional use, however there is some sexual feedback on RM. I like PI/m, even though I did order RM, PI gives me all around consistent hits.

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    Default Re: Primal Instinct vs. RM

    The none from LaCroy (NPA/TE) however, is known as the most aggressive, sexy and bad smelling compared to the none of Stone and the none in PI.

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    Default Re: Primal Instinct vs. RM

    Ah, and it is also the most unstable source of anone. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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    Default Re: Primal Instinct vs. RM

    Wish we could know why the hell it is this way though.

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    Default Re: Primal Instinct vs. RM

    I honestly think it has something to do with the quality of the androstenone.

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    Default Re: Primal Instinct vs. RM

    Franki (or anyone) do we know what\'s in women\'s TE or NPA? I never in my entire life smelled anything, ever so rank as TE -- smells like somebody juiced their gym shorts and oldest tennis shoes and put it in a bottle - and then it turned me on! Perplexing.

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    Default Re: Primal Instinct vs. RM

    The womens TE turned you on???? Worth investigating... you I mean not the TE/w [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

    I don\'t think we came to a conclusion regarding the contents of TE/w.

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    Woo-hoo! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

    Yeah, we were talking about it in the Women\'s Forum.

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    Default Re: Primal Instinct vs. RM

    If the RM is more for professional use and the PI is more sexually oriented, then what if I am a professional player? Which one would I use? HAHA how bout that one for a brain twister!! Honestly though out of NPA, PI/m, or RM which one do you recommend and get the most hits with?

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    Default Re: Primal Instinct vs. RM

    It is my opinion that PI has a universal type of *none, which can adapt to your environment. How you present yourself and the way you are perceived as a result of your presentation is very important. I know this because I\'ve made KR#1 work for me (contains a hefty amount of PI in it.) in a professional environment, such as school and work. Just my personal experience.

    I have only tried PI and NPA, and RM is on it\'s way. As for my personal results: out of NPA and PI, PI significantly out-performed NPA.

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    Default Re: Primal Instinct vs. RM

    Hey, I am completely sold. I am ordering PI/m this moment. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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    Default Re: Primal Instinct vs. RM

    And now its part of WKM#1 mix also.

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    Default Re: Primal Instinct vs. RM

    There do seem to be differences. Maybe:

    1) Differences in the none itself (enantiomers or blends??)
    2) Differences in manufacturing byproducts (maybe the byproducts are active or suppressive?)
    3) Differences in carrier (alcohol vs. oil makes a difference in delivery)

    I use Stone none in mixes when I want to stay below the scent radar. But Andro4.2 seems good as standalone. It smells richer and different than Stone, even after the harsher alcohol smell dies down. Blatant hits with Ando4.2 - really good stuff.

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    Default Different Kinds of None?

    Hallo, I`m using pheromones for about three years, but I have up to now never heard that there are different types

    of None (mentioned above)! Is the 5a-Androst-16-en-3-one not the solely Androstenone? If this is right - do exist

    better and inferior kinds of androstenone?
    PS: Sorry for my bad english

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuttgart-man
    Hallo, I`m

    using pheromones for about three years, but I have up to now never heard that there are different types of None

    (mentioned above)! Is the 5a-Androst-16-en-3-one not the solely Androstenone?
    stuttgart-man,

    i think

    those people were talking about the manufacturing quality of AndrostEnone used by different pheromone

    manufacturers.

    as to which manufacturer uses the best quality, i'm not sure (but i do remember that there were a

    few threads discussing this a few years ago). i've had equally great results from PI/m, NPA/m, and chemset -none.

    i've never tried RM, though.

    i don't know if you are aware, but there is another type of -none called

    AndroSTAnone:

    http://www.love-scent.com/product_info.php/p/androstanone/manufacturers_id//

    products_id/102?osCsid=5afd18e27e11dbef977e60b6d12718f0


    here's a link to at least 1 thread talking about

    -STAnone:

    http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthrea

    d.php?t=16955


    i have not had a chance to try -STAnone, myself.

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    PI or RM? I say A-7.

    The -none

    in Alpha-7 seems to be very pure -- no harsh smell, but it's strong.

    Some people have complained that it's

    TOO strong, but that's silly: just use less! That way, it lasts longer too.

    One other difference between RM

    and PI or A-7 is that RM is alcohol-based (I think) while PI and A-7 are oil-based, so the evaporation rate is

    different.

    And A-7 and PI come in unscented versions, which I prefer.

    If I'm going to use a scent,

    I want to pick it myself. And if I want to mix pheros, I don't want to get some random scent based on mixing all

    the scents they have in 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xvs
    PI or RM? I say

    A-7.


    One other difference between RM and PI or A-7 is that RM is alcohol -based (I think) while PI and A-7

    are oil-based, so the evaporation rate is different.
    hallo gecko and xvs,

    thank you for your

    help!

    is there a big difference between alcohlo and oil-base None-products?
    Which kind of product works better

    and longer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuttgart-man
    hallo

    gecko and xvs,

    thank you for your help!

    is there a big difference between alcohlo and oil-base

    None-products?
    Which kind of product works better and longer?
    The difference is the alcohol carrier will

    make it evaporate faster, and the oil slower.. but it also depends to where you apply plus a little for the

    weather..
    if applied to skin either will evaporate faster than on cloth because the skin is warmer.. but the

    alcohol will in any case evaporate faster than the products with the oil carrier..
    But if it's summer the products

    will evaporate even faster (fastest on skin, a little slower on cloth) and when winter and colder evaporate

    slower..
    fx. i use alcohol based products now because its cold here..

    and the oil carrier will often give a

    minor effect for a longer period where the alcohol carrier will boost more because the mones will be released faster

    and then work "stronger"... but i guess you can't see much difference..
    And/or you could use oilcarriers and take

    a very little bit larger dose to compensate for the slower evaporation..

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuttgart-man
    hallo gecko

    and xvs,

    thank you for your help!

    is there a big difference between alcohlo and oil-base

    None-products?
    Which kind of product works better and longer?
    Honestly, I don’t really know the

    difference b/n alcohol based & oil based –mones when it comes to which lasts longer. I know some people feel that

    alcohol based –mones evaporate quicker than oil based –mones, but I’ve never bothered testing this out myself (and I

    never bothered paying attention to it either).

    There are only 2 incidents I can think of that kind of speak

    to this:
    1. I wore 2 drops of PI/m (uncut) one night (this was when I was new to –mones & didn’t know what

    the hell I was doing). The next day, I had to get to the bank to deposit a check. I was in a hurry, so I brushed my

    teeth & washed my face & just took off. I’d forgotten about the 2 drops of PI/m from the night before & didn’t apply

    a new cover scent.
    This was mid-August (a few years back). I walked like 12 blocks in 90 degree

    weather to the bank. By the time I got there, I was sweating profusely. I walked up to the counter & there were 2

    female Filipino bank tellers. One covered her mouth & nose & said loudly: “Ohhhh…my…god…” She kept looking at me &

    turning away, and kept her mouth & nose covered. She had this horrid look on her face & was scrunching her nose.

    This was when I remembered about the 2 drops of PI/m (too little, too late on my part…oops).


    The other Filipino girl (who was helping me w/my deposit) just smiled & deposited my check for me. I thanked her &

    bolted for the door. Two weeks later, the girl who flipped out had quit (I don’t think she had quit b/c of me, but I

    think it’s pretty funny).
    2. I wore an alcohol-based concoction I’d made one night. It was kind

    of an AE/m clone, except it also had NPA/m, chemset –none, and A1 (in addition to chemset –nol & chemset –rone). I

    pretty much kept the –nol to –none to –rone ratios the same as AE/m’s ratios. I wore maybe 4 or 5 drops of this (I

    was even newer to –mones during this incident).
    The next morning, I was supposed to meet a

    friend & his parents for dim sum. Well, I woke up late, so I was in a hurry yet again. You guessed it…I forgot that

    I had –mones on & ran out the door w/o showering or reapplying a cover scent.
    I didn’t get any

    obvious bad reactions like I did at the bank, but I could tell people at the restaurant were kind of shying away

    from me. I had a 3 or 4 foot radius around me while we were waiting for our table. The radius would’ve probably been

    bigger if there was more room…haha. I didn’t remember about the –mones until we were half-way through with dim sum.

    My friend’s mother kept covering her nose. This was either June or July of the same year as incident #1

    (above).
    So both times, the –mones were still “going” the next morning, but I did wear an OD level the

    night before during both incidents (so maybe these aren’t good examples). And I’m sure that most, if not all, of the

    chemset –nol had converted to –none in incident #2.

    One thing I do know (as WorkingMann pointed out) is that

    body heat helps get your –mone signature out there. Back when I played with –mones more often, I would apply a bit

    more during the winter months (like WorkingMann said, colder weather = slower evaporation).

    If you’re

    concerned w/alcohol based –mones not lasting as long, you can try applying via the lotion “trick;” it may/may not

    slow down the evaporation rate. Two or three squirts of lotion in a teaspoon or into the palm of your hand, then

    place however many drops of w/e -mones into the lotion, mix w/your pinky, and then apply. I suppose dabbing & then

    rubbing lotion on top would work also.

    Or you can go w/what WorkingMann said: apply to your clothes,

    instead.

    In the end, I prefer making my own mixes; so I prefer playing w/alcohol based -mones (i.e., the

    chemset).

    EDIT: and yes, both incidents were very embarrassing for me.

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    Hallo,

    Is there a rule

    of thumb how long works None on skin (supposed average heat)?

    If I want to have a constant level of None after

    which time I have to apply which amount? After 4 hours 1/2 of the initial amount?

    Which time needs Nol to

    convert to None? Depends it on temperatue too?

    Do I risk an None-OD if I apply 1/6 Gel Pack of SOE and a 1/6 of

    TE every day? Or are the pheromones completely eliminated within 24 hours?

    Thank you in advance for replying my

    many questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuttgart-man
    Hallo,



    Is there a rule of thumb how long works None on skin (supposed average heat)?

    If I want to have a constant

    level of None after which time I have to apply which amount? After 4 hours 1/2 of the initial amount?

    Which

    time needs Nol to convert to None? Depends it on temperatue too?

    Do I risk an None-OD if I apply 1/6 Gel Pack of

    SOE a 1/6 of TE every day? Or are the pheromones completely eliminated within 24 hours?

    Thank you in advance for

    replying my many questions
    Most say that in general about some hours.. 5-6-7 I would say.. 5 if

    it's sommer, 7 if winter perhaps.. but again different from person to person.. So perhaps even though it's winter

    will only last 5 hours..

    constant level of none? I would be affraid of buildup.. Why you want that

    anyways?

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    Hallo Workingman,

    I

    noticed very good results in communicating with other people if I wear 1/6 pack of SOE and TE each! But up to now I

    have had any doubts regarding OD if I wear this every day!
    Are the pheromones of SOE and TE (almost) eliminating

    within one day so that I can apply the same amount and get the same results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuttgart-man
    Hallo

    Workingman,

    I noticed very good results in communicating with other people if I wear 1/6 pack of SOE and TE

    each! But up to now I have had any doubts regarding OD if I wear this every day!
    Are the pheromones of SOE and TE

    (almost) eliminating within one day so that I can apply the same amount and get the same results?
    If you

    shower and clean up I wouldn't worry..! I use mones at least 5 days a week and some times more.. And I haven't had

    problems yet.. I shower every morning before I leave and I scrub the application points with soap and the hairsoap..

    This is mostly my neck and wrists and haven't had problems with it yet..

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    Quote Originally Posted by franki
    The none from

    LaCroy (NPA/TE) however, is known as the most aggressive, sexy and bad smelling compared to the none

    of Stone and the none in PI.
    would it be possible to filter out the negative smelling properties of None

    so that None works but not smells?

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    Default stable / unstable - what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by krtel
    Ah, and it is also the most unstable source of anone.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

    - Krish
    What is meant with "stable" and "unstable"?

    Does it mean that the moons works many hours and thus this product is "stable" or has it to do with the circle in

    woman, and so a product which works very good in one part of circle do work bad in another one? Or does it mean

    another one?

    Thank you in advance!

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    I think what they mean under

    stable and un-stable is that PI is distributed more evenly across 5-7 hours, while NPA for exmamples gives OD on

    first 2 hours and then normal on 3-4 hours and gone after that.

    PI vs NPA for purely sexual hits is a very

    interesting debate for me too.

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