PETITION.... We,the people.........

[oscar]

WE are the ones DOING THE TESTING!
WE are the ones PROVIDING THE FUNDING!
WE are ENTITLED TO A VOICE!

So much of the discussion on this forum is about combining products and refining our combinations,yet many of the products widely regarded as our FAVORITES do not disclose their content.

I,for one,consider this UNACCEPTABLE!

CHEERS! to STONE LABS for giving us SO MUCH information on their labels!

JEERS! to La Croy for not even telling us WHAT Pheromones are contained in their WONDERFUL product The EDGE.

But,take heart fellow citizens,there is a savior in our midst.

There is a MAN,far better suited than any other man,to represent us,the people,in our plight.

This MAN is widely respected in Syracuse,London,South Africa,Israel,and ALL the Pheromone capitals of the world!

The MAN of whom I speak is none other than our own REPRESENTATIVE BRUCE BOYD,who by virtue of his long standing affiliation with the Pheromonal powers-that-be,can carry our message on high and get us the answers we so BADLY need and so rightly DESERVE!

Please,carry this plea for us Bruce.Reward your constituancy for our support and get us the information we request.

DEAR PHEROMONE MANUFACTURER,
WE DESERVE TO KNOW WHAT IS IN THE PRODUCTS THAT WE ARE SO WILLING TO BUY FROM YOU! PLEASE PROVIDE THE BEARER OF THIS PETITION WITH THE INFORMATION WE REQUIRE.YOU UNDOUBTEDLY KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY PROVIDER OF THESE PRODUCTS TO WHOM WE HAVE ACCESS.TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE YOU MUST PROVIDE US WITH A LIST OF THE PHEROMONES IN YOUR PRODUCT(S).

RESPECTFULLY,
THE PHEROMONE USERS OF THE WORLD.

If all 250 odd forum members will affirm by posting a simple YES! or OUI! or SI! or DA! below, Rep.Boyd will have a PERSUASIVE document to send to the manufacturers.

THANK YOU!

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[JB]

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Word is bond. Give \'em hell Bruce.

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I agree as well if there are one or two secret items they can be listed as secret and percentage of that item!

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[Bruce]

Hi All,
I hear you. Actually, you are \"preaching to the converted\" though, as I have already plead your case to all the manufacturers I have any direct contact with. The Edge is a special case though, as I have discussed the issue at length with LaCroy. I will go into more detail about that soon. I am using a dial up access point that is a long distance phone call at the moment.

More Soon,
Bruce

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[Bruce]

Hi Again,

I\'m still in a LD phone call zone (outside Mt. Shasta, Cal. very beautiful BTW), but I will give you the quick version.

As I said I have always been after these guys to disclose everything, and I think we have good data on everything that has a decent amount of pheros in them with the exception of the Kiotech products (X wipes and PF) and LaCroy (Edge, PA and the nH wipes). In the case of Kiotech I asked a sales agent on the phone in London and he said it was secret information, and that was that. The guys at LaCroy actually told me about their research with the understanding that I not divulge the information without their permission. We later discussed the matter of whether to publicize the info at some length and finally decided it was better to protect the secret with the exception of announcing and guaranteeing the presence of androstenone among other active pheromone ingredients and an overall actual pheromone content of 2.4 mg per bottle in the Edge and 2 mg in NPA. The amount of androstenone is greatly different between the male and female formulae, and I can promise you that there are pheromones beyond just the androstenone in both formulae. Beyond that I can not say. To my knowledge nobody else is using these \"secret\" ingredients and if I were to tell anyone the info would spread like wildfire. It is similar to the situation with Kiotech, except that I have been brought into the fold and we are trying to give as much info as we can without destroying LaCroys \"edge\" that they have worked so hard on for the last couple of years.

I know that is not what you were hoping for, but it is the best I can do in this case.

RE the bargain colognes: At the prices of Lure, Yes, and the IR colognes, you can assume that you are not getting much pheromone. I have not been able to get details on any of them, but it is pointless to push it for that reason.

OK, gotta run and save the phone bill.

All the Best,
Bruce

[oscar]

Bruce,

Thank You!

Oscar [img]images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

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[oscar]

PHEROMONE USERS OF THE WORLD,

THANK YOU! for your support!
Hopefully the Pheromonal \"Powers-That-Be\" monitor this board,(they would have to be CHUMPS not to!) and will be EVEN MORE open about the content of their products in the future.

Conclusions,(based on Bruce\'s info)

NPA at 2mg. per 5ml. bottle is 80% as potent (in terms of overall pheromone content) as PI which has 5mg. per 10 ml. bottle.

NPA at $29.95 comes in at $14.97 per mg. of pheromones, (okay ,still don\'t know how many or which ones).

PI at $69.95 comes in at $13.99 per mg. of phero.(androstenone only).

Edge at $29.95 for 2.4mg. comes in at $12.48 per mg.of phero.

NPA at 2mg. gives you less total phero content than Edge at 2.4mg.- both at $29.95.

NPA is actually 3.33333-> times as potent as Edge in terms of overall phero concentration (based on my bottle of Edge which has 20ml. not the 24 ml. stated on the website).

Both NPA and Edge have phero components not found in PI.

I like the fact that you get a mix of pheros with the Edge and NPA. In my opinion,they are both a good value when compared to PI.
Corrections,questions or comments are welcome.

Again,Thank You All,
Oscar