I found another forum at attractromance.com but it has a time delay as far as its bulletin board goes and seems only to have testimonals it wont allow me to even post a question to taht forum without needing to \"Clear\" it first and it seems to only sell beaches at least here we can put up any questions we want and they get left an open board is better than a closed control one anyday just to let everyone know what else is out there trying to copy the opposition lol