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    Quote Originally Posted by terry0400-40 View Post
    We can hope that it will be less expensive than

    this> New Pheromax for Men with Oxytocin $79.95
    Wow!! I hope it is

    cheaper lol.

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    If it works it may be worth the

    price.Hopefully there will be a discount code in the next newsletter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ontimenow View Post
    If

    it works it may be worth the price.Hopefully there will be a discount code in the next

    newsletter.
    Oh i agree with you in the case that the Oxytocin may

    endure for over an hour it can be of great benefit when used with skill, especially in business and interview

    situations, however i certainly would not be wanting to have to repeat spray with Androstenone every couple of hours

    so as to keep up the trust factor, as it is Androstenone only has a very limited if not any effectiveness when used

    on targets that are taking the birth control pill.

    The discount codes certainly come in handy therefore it is

    good to practice restraint and wait for one as they come more frequently whenever sales are slow and the economy is

    in slump.
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    Androstenone only has a very

    limited if not any effectiveness when used on targets that are taking the birth control pill.

    I never knew

    that about none and birth control pills

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    Quote Originally Posted by ontimenow View Post
    Androstenone only has a very limited if not any effectiveness when used on targets that are

    taking the birth control pill.

    I never knew that about none and birth control

    pills
    It is something i have noticed to some degree as well as the

    opinion of others, eg i have worn Androstenone when visiting women who are on birth control and where the Pheromone

    is having little attraction effects upon them i notice that it has a very real and sometimes strong attraction

    effect upon their daughters who are not taking birth control.
    Also here are a few Androstenone opinions to kick

    around.
    Birth control prevents ovulation by tricking the body into believing the female is already

    pregnant.

    Since the body already thinks its in a state of pregnancy and Androstenone sends a mating type

    signal perhaps this is why they do not respond.

    Androstenone is not produced by the human body, excreted by

    the human body, or
    used as a neuro-steroid by the human brain.

    Androstenone serves as a mating

    pheromone in pigs and elephants and related
    mammals, where it is produced in the gonads of those animals

    and excreted during
    mating season. Androstenone is of enormous concern to the hog industry because


    production of even the tiniest amount of Androstenone (known as boar taint) in the
    maturing male pig makes

    the meat unfit for human consumption. They do use
    Androstenone in spray form, however, to induce a sow in

    heat to arch her back, which
    makes artificial insemination easier. Of course, they spray it in front of the

    sow's nose
    -- not on themselves!


    Androstenone is also a bacterial by-product of the break down of

    human pheromones in sweat by skin bacteria over time when the sweat is allowed to sour. This is a main cause of

    malodour in old sweat.

    Although there have been numerous studies of Androstenone exposure with humans, there

    is no research literature that supports the belief that this is a human pheromone, or that supports the claims that

    it is a human female sexual attractant. At least one study done in the 1980's showed that Androstenone is a female

    repellent! (4)

    The available research data strongly suggests that this non-human steroid molecule affects the

    trigeminal nerve pathwaysin humans(5) and can be a trigeminal nerve irritant. (6)(7) (The trigeminal nerve evolved

    as part of the body's warning system, sensing potentially noxious stimuli.)

    There are many anecdotal

    reports of OD-type reactions to Androstenone including anxiety, negative emotional reactions, painful muscle spasms,

    irritability, anger, and avoidance and rejection from others when exposed to a certain level of the steroid -- in

    some cases when exposed to even a small amount of this steroid. These anecdotal reports seem to support the

    scientific research emerging in human studies. If you are interested in these anecdotal reports any web search

    ofAndrostenone OD (overdose), Androstenone irritability, Androstenone rage, or Androstenone anger will yield many

    examples of the same.

    Over 70% of women find the odor of Androstenone repulsive except during ovulation.

    Ovulating women tend to lose the ability to smell Androstenone, (8) and become less repelled by the substance at

    this time.

    Many producers of pheromone products who use this steroid make the claim that this is proof that

    it is a human female sexual attractant pheromone. However, since the periodic loss of ability to smell a substance

    and the periodic loss of repellent activity for a substance does not logically or automatically equate with being

    attracted to that substance, and considering the emerging evidence of trigeminal nerve irritation in humans caused

    by Androstenone, we do not find this to be a compelling argument, whatsoever, that Androstenone is effective as a

    sexual attractant even during ovulation.

    We have found no evidence in our beta testing or in the scientific

    literature research to suggest that any human-derivedpheromone causes irritability, anger, rage, painful muscle

    spasm, avoidance and rejection by others, or any of the other negative effects repeatedly associated with

    Androstenone use.





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    Michael, R.W. Bonsall, P. Warner, Human Vaginal Secretions: Volatile Fatty Acid Content, Science. New Series, Vol

    186, No.4170 (Dec.27, 1974), P.1217-1219.

    2. E.R. Boskey, R.A. Cone, K.J. Whaley, T.R. Moench, Thomas C

    Jenkins Department of Biophysicis, Johns Hopkins University and ReProtect LLC, Baltimore, USA, Origins of vaginal

    acidity, Human Reproduction, Vol. 16, no.9, P.1809-1813, 2001.

    3. Jütte, A. (1995). Weibliche Pheromone-

    Wirkung und Rolle von synthetischen Kopulinen bei der versteckten Ovulation des Menschen. Dipl.-Arb. an der Formal-

    und Naturwissenschaftlichen Fakultät der Universität Wien.)

    4. An examination of the effects of putative

    pheromones on human judgments. Filsinger, Erik E.; Braun, J. Jay; Monte, Woodrow C. Ethology & Sociobiology, Vol

    6(4), 1985, 227-236.

    5. On the trigeminal percept of androstenone and its implications on the rate of

    specific anosmia. Boyle JA, Lundström JN, Knecht M, Jones-Gotman M, Schaal B, Hummel T. Montreal Neurological

    Institute, McGill University, Montreal, Canada. J Neurobiol. 2006 Nov; 66(13):1501-10.

    6. Retronasal and

    Oral-Cavity-Only Identifications of Air-Phase Trigeminal Stimuli. Vijal Parikh1, Ai Ping Lee-Lim2, and Bruce P.

    Halpern. Chemosensory Perception Volume 2, Number 1 / March, 2009 p.1936-5802.

    7. Olfactory/trigeminal

    interactions in nasal chemoreception. Gérard Brand. Neuroscience & Biobehavioral Reviews. Volume 30, Issue 7, 2006,

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    8. The Prevalence of Androstenone Anosmia. Elizabeth A. Bremner, Joel D. Mainland, Rehan M. Khan

    and Noam Sobel. Chem. Senses, 2003, 28.423-432

    9. Potential Mechanisms of Estrogen Quinone Carcinogenesis,

    Judy L. Bolton and Gregory R. J. Thatcher, Department of Medicinal Chemistry and Pharmacognosy (M/C 781), College of

    Pharmacy, University of Illinois at Chicago, 833 South Wood Street, Chicago, Illinois, 60612-7231Chem. Res.

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    10. Synthesis of the Equine Estrogen Metabolites 2-Hydroxyequilin and

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    College of Pharmacy, University of Illinois at Chicago, 833 South Wood Street, Chicago, Illinois 60612-7231Chem.

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    11. Detection of estrogen DNA-adducts in human breast tumor tissue

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    Terry, can you give us a link to

    that source? Thanks buddy.


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    Just wondering since

    Edge Trust contain oxy and I assume this fasciliates social bonding etc will this product be suitable for bars or

    clubs? I always thought mega doses of NPA were needed here. ALso in bars there's not as much talking do to the

    loud music.

    I'm wondering WHERE this product is intended to be used

    Any guesses?

    HM

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    Quote Originally Posted by idesign View Post
    Terry, can you give us a link to that source? Thanks buddy.

    Sure can my friend if you send me your email adress, mine is on

    my P Page, cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terry0400-40 View Post
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    Many producers of pheromone products who

    use this steroid make the claim that this is proof that it is a human female sexual attractant pheromone. However,

    since the periodic loss of ability to smell a substance and the periodic loss of repellent activity for a substance

    does not logically or automatically equate with being attracted to that substance, and considering the emerging

    evidence of trigeminal nerve irritation in humans caused by Androstenone, we do not find this to be a compelling

    argument, whatsoever, that Androstenone is effective as a sexual attractant even during ovulation.
    Haha they should speak to Gegogi who seems to fu*k women senseless with his combo of NPA and SOE...

    hahahaah

    HM

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    Quote Originally Posted by HornyMan View Post
    Haha

    they should speak to Gegogi who seems to fu*k women senseless with his combo of NPA and SOE... hahahaah



    HM
    It would make a great conversation, and i am sure that

    SOE is a most effective attraction pheromone formula.
    Maby i should ask Gegogi what if any boner tonic he is on

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    Quote Originally Posted by ontimenow View Post
    Wow!! I hope it is cheaper lol.
    ME TOO
    HEHE

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