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    situation here. I got an old bottle of NPA from over a year back which still works fine but this new bottle I got

    just 2 months ago seems to have no effect. Either that or it ODs in like 1 drop. Anyone else experience the same ?

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    Well i recently bought some

    of the new NPA, The one in a black bottle with "pheromone additive" in red writing on the bottle and after a few

    uses i haven't noticed anything. Though it could be because I'm pretty new to the whole pheromone thing. But i

    make sure to use as little as possible so i don't OD i put a little drop on an earbud and very lightly press it on

    my neck just once then cover it with my cologne, But after many tries i have got no response.

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    Oh No don't say that!..I have

    just orderd some.

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    NPA is designed to be diluted

    5:1. It's too strong and difficult to dose straight from the bottle. Even if you manage to get a perfectly dosed

    tiny drop, the surface area covered is so small diffusion suffers.

    Mix 5 parts cologne to 1 part NPA and spray

    with a pocket atomizer and it works much better: dose is more adjustable before OD, the spray covers more skin for

    better diffusion and the cologne molecules intermingle and carry the NPA to your vic's nose better. If you prefer

    to dab or drop, consider TE: same formula but dosed for direct application.
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    Default NPA mixed 1:5 with cologne

    Gegogi

    What type of atomizer do you use to put out a very small spray?

    I have been using Shoppers

    Drug mart atomizers which are very good and don't leak and can easily be carried around but I think it sprays too

    much NPA with even 1 spray. Could it be the sprays are too much?

    Would you recommend any specific types of

    atomizers for me, and where to buy them? I OD quite easily on NPA and I think the smaller the spray the better

    since I can easily use more sprays if I need to up the dosage.

    I'm looking for an atomizer that with 1 spray

    may pump out at max the equivalent of a 1/4 pack of edge gel.

    The reason I don't like the gels is that they

    make me tune out to some degree through inhalation even when I use a small amount where the npa sprays don't, even

    in large amounts.

    The sephora atomizers I've seen hold just as much cologne as the Shoppers ones, I didn't

    examine the spray head though...

    The tiny ones they give as samples for cologne can't be what

    you're referring to right? Those don't open to be reused and are strictly to sample colognes before

    buying.

    Any recommendations. I really like NPA spray better but have problems dosing.. I think its my

    atomizer for sure...


    HM

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    I think some users are applying too little NPA to receive

    attention.


    Have used much of the older NPA in the 5 ml

    size and have received my NEW Boxed version mid May this year.



    The box has its contents printed as 7ml and 0.24 oz

    respectively and the bottle that is removed from the box has 5 ml printed on it.



    My bottle did actually contain 5.7 ml in contents

    measured with a medical glass vial, and that came out at 340 drops when measured in drops using a rubber bulb ended

    glass pheromone dropper, this dropper does dispense a drop slightly larger in volume than the smaller standard Alter

    Ego glass dropper of the same design as the one i am using.



    Therefore in using this more precise method of

    measuring drops rather than just tipping the bottle i did obtain the following

    results.


    0.48 mg = ( 480 mcg/ml ) divided by 60 dr /

    ml = 8 mcg / dr

    and this equales 4 mcg Androstenone

    and 4 mcg of undisclosed enhancing pheromones.


    I

    repeated this measurement ten times using the medical glass vial to measure one correct size ml and the glass

    pheromone dropper to measure the drops contained within each ml and the mean average came to 60 dr/ mL



    I have been using 4 dr of NPA mixed with a few

    sprays of good cologne for dispersion and it is working just fine, the actual pheromone content at this

    concentration is a total of 32 mcg and therefore 16 mcg will be Androstenone and the other 16 mcg will be unknown

    secret enhancing pheromones.


    Men younger than my 58

    years could go for 3 drops and that would give 12 mcg Androstenone + secret 12

    mcg


    Even younger men could easily go for 2 full drops

    which would give 8 mcg Androstenone + secret 8 mcg.


    I

    would also like to add that the advice posted by Gegogi is valuable and correct in explaining the dispersion factor

    involved, because even one or two drops applied directly and spread upon the skin surface is not going to cover a

    large enough surface area to offer optimal results and it takes dilution at 5 to 1 with cologne to be able to

    achieve a decent coverage factor and i will just add that in the past i have read posts of users obtaining excellent

    NPA results when applying 3 and even 4 drops.
    I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry0400-40 View Post
    I think some users are applying too little NPA to

    receive attention.


    Have used much of the older NPA

    in the 5 ml size and have received my NEW Boxed version mid May this year.



    The box has its contents printed as 7ml and 0.24

    oz respectively and the bottle that is removed from the box has 5 ml printed on it.



    My bottle did actually contain 5.7 ml in

    contents measured with a medical glass vial, and that came out at 340 drops when measured in drops using a rubber

    bulb ended glass pheromone dropper, this dropper does dispense a drop slightly larger in volume than the smaller

    standard Alter Ego glass dropper of the same design as the one i am using.



    Therefore in using this more precise method of

    measuring drops rather than just tipping the bottle i did obtain the following

    results.


    0.48 mg = ( 480 mcg/ml ) divided by 60

    dr / ml = 8 mcg / dr

    and this equales 4 mcg

    Androstenone and 4 mcg of undisclosed enhancing pheromones.



    I repeated this measurement ten times using the

    medical glass vial to measure one correct size ml and the glass pheromone dropper to measure the drops contained

    within each ml and the mean average came to 60 dr/ mL



    I have been using 4 dr of NPA mixed with a few

    sprays of good cologne for dispersion and it is working just fine, the actual pheromone content at this

    concentration is a total of 32 mcg and therefore 16 mcg will be Androstenone and the other 16 mcg will be unknown

    secret enhancing pheromones.


    Men younger than my

    58 years could go for 3 drops and that would give 12 mcg Androstenone + secret 12

    mcg


    Even younger men could easily go for 2 full

    drops which would give 8 mcg Androstenone + secret 8

    mcg.


    I would also like to add that the advice

    posted by Gegogi is valuable and correct in explaining the dispersion factor involved, because even one or two drops

    applied directly and spread upon the skin surface is not going to cover a large enough surface area to offer optimal

    results and it takes dilution at 5 to 1 with cologne to be able to achieve a decent coverage factor and i will just

    add that in the past i have read posts of users obtaining excellent NPA results when applying 3 and even 4 drops.



    Terry are you saying the NEW NPA boxed version is so much more diluted

    than the older version that most people who mix it will cologne in sephora atomizer and now spray at minimum 1 times

    will NOT OD?



    HM

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    Quote Originally Posted by HornyMan View Post
    Terry are you saying the NEW NPA boxed version is so much more diluted than the older

    version that most people who mix it will cologne in sephora atomizer and now spray at minimum 1 times will NOT OD?





    HM
    Ha ha oops sorry if i miss led you but the new boxed

    NPA is exactly the same concentration as it always has been, and it it just as effective as

    ever.


    I was just explaining that one single drop of

    NPA measured out by a standard glass rubber bulb ended pheromone dropper contains only 4 mcg of Androstenone and

    also 4 mcg of unknown pheromones for a total of 8 mcg pheromone content.




    I choose to use the above mentioned dropper method of application delivery

    because i find it so much more precise than tipping a drop straight from the NPA bottle.




    However if one were to calculate the pheromone content of a single drop

    taken from the inverted NPA bottle it would probably not correspond with the pheromone weight i have calculated with

    respect to the glass pheromone dropper that i base my calculations on.




    When i hear of individuals applying pin head amounts of NPA and then

    mentioning that the product is not working it is obvious to me that the amount of Androstenone contained in these

    application amounts is insignificent.


    Like for

    example take 1/4 of a drop, this would contain 1 mcg Androstenone plus 1 mcg of secret steering

    pheromones.


    Just as a comparison the average

    application of Alter Ego is between 1 and 3 drops, the small drop dispenser that comes with this product will

    dispense for one drop

    Androstenone 3.33 mcg +

    Androstenol 2.5 mcg + Androsterone 1.66 mcg for a total drop content of 7.5 mcg.




    And one drop of AE from my standard glass pheromone dropper gives

    Androstenone 4 mcg + Androstenol 3 mcg + Androsterone 2 mcg. for a total drop content of 9

    mcg.


    I have just received a report back from a

    friend in Europe he is in the mid 20's and he is having really good result with a mix of 2 dr AE + 2 dr NPA.



    I am a little older and i receive some rather good

    attraction results by mixing NPA x 4 drops into 4 sprays of decent cologne, with this i also have the occasional

    horror hit but these mostly from big butch control freak type of girls, yep these girls usually hate me at first

    whiff
    I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....

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    Terry I like that avatar.The new

    boxed npa is my next phero to buy I was just wondering if it was recommended for a person like myself.
    Pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    Terry I

    like that avatar.The new boxed npa is my next phero to buy I was just wondering if it was recommended for a person

    like myself.
    Sure its ok from what i recall you are around 22 therefore

    you could like make a small test mix up like say at the strength of 1/2 a drop per application to start your

    observations.


    Just extract 10 drops and insert them

    into a small spray atomiser or a 5 ml to go sprayer and then add 20 sprays of cologne screw it up shake it a little

    and then its good to go, and one spray will give you about 1/2 a drop of NPA each time, see how it goes and add an

    extra spray if necessary as two sprays will give you a drops worth of NPA.




    The logic behind this is that the 10 drops NPA is diluted with 20 sprays of

    cologne, and one spray of cologne averages out at around 5 drops so in effect this mix is NPA at 10 dr and Cologne

    at 100 dr which equates to a ratio of 1 : 10 which is double the recommended dilution rate for NPA, the 5 ml To Go

    spray bottle volume averages out at 5.3 drops per spray and therefore this will give you a total of around 20 full

    sprays so in effect one spray will give you 1/2 drop NPA and around 4.8 dr cologne which will in fact be capable of

    dispersing the NPA over a decent coverage area so as to be effective in its mode of diffusion.



    Whenever possable if you do not have it is to

    purchase several pipettes or a standard glass rubber ended pheromone dropper ( or two ) and using these methods of

    phero extraction you will achieve more precise measurements over that what is dispensed by the dribble dropper top

    of the NPA stopper.


    Also by posessing a reliable

    measuring container or a medical syringe you can proceed to measure your pheromone products by the milligram and

    then actually count the drops contained in each milligram and then divide the total weight per milligram by the

    number of drops per milligram and thus can get a reliable estimate of the pheromone weight in micrograms per drop of

    pheromone....


    Do not start mixing too large

    quantity of NPA into test mixes as you may easily waste product on non productive test mixes, that is why i

    suggested only 10 drops to start with in the above mentioned test mix suggestion.




    Once you become familiar with a product regarding appropriate application

    and dilution amounts and also reliable measuring devices then it is a whole lot safer to formulate mixes using more

    quantity of your valuable pheromone products.


    Even

    now after many years of mixing whenever i remove the stopper from a pheromone product i will place the bottle in a

    small flat bottomed glass dish before i go extracting drops by means of a pipette or dropper this prevents wastage

    in the case of a tip over,

    It also is advisable to

    secure the smaller spray bottle you are making your mix up in.


    Replace the caps securely back on pheromone bottles

    and store them away from sunlight.
    I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....

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    I use the Sephora Silver Bullet

    atomizer. Nice fine mist and less volume than the sprayer on TE and AD 30ml products.
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    Hi Gegogi (or anyone

    else),

    I found an atomizer called "SEPHORA COLLECTION Fragrance Atomizer". Its silver and says it holds

    0.15 oz. Is that the silver bullet one your talking about?

    Also, my colognes top doesn't come off, so

    can't really do drops from it. The Sephora atomizer appears from the online pictures to have a funnel with it. Is

    the opening big enough in the Atomizer to spray directly into it?

    Reason I ask is because I would think using a

    funnel to get spray into a bottle would be pretty ineffective.

    Thanks for any help.
    Last edited by Bluefire0089; 08-12-2010 at 06:17 PM.

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