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    I hate I missed the boat on

    this one. Now that I'm interested in Pheros can this be found anywhere. I think I read DST stop making this

    product. Thanks

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    He made one batch. The way he

    made it makes it almost impossible to duplicate because what he did was keep adding and testing until he found the

    mix to be to his liking. If LS doesn't have any more, you'll never see the same product again.
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    That's what i was afraid of.

    Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belgareth View Post
    He made one batch. The way he

    made it makes it almost impossible to duplicate because what he did was keep adding and testing until he found the

    mix to be to his liking. If LS doesn't have any more, you'll never see the same product again.
    I have´t been here for almost 2 years according to the forum - time flies...and much good and bad has happened in my life since then.

    I recently re-discovered my old bottle of Pheros that haven´t been opened for quite some time and been stored in a dark place...

    I opened the bottle and it still smells really good...

    I would guess that the good doctor - I would anyway - keep some sort of general recipe for the mix, at least what notes he used...I would love to see this in a re-make (even though my bottle is still quite full, it will run out at some point or oxidize or similar)

    // rw

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    A cologne with a similar tone with Pheros (note I said "similar tone" not "same as") is Jovan Sex Appeal for Men.

    Herbal and helps as an aphrodisiac.

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    Thanks for your interest in Pheros.

    Belgareth is correct. There will be no more, unfortunately. I have a small stash like some of you. It smells better than ever. It's a bit sad because it turned out better than I expected as it aged, and lack of age was its major flaw when it was available (according to a "Nose" who reviewed it), because it smelled like too many things at once without the proper seasoning. Now it smells much simpler and more elegant, to my nose.

    But when I made it I was just an amateur perfumer, and did not intend to sell it. It was a labor of love, and at some point I decided to bring it to market, mainly because I made so damn much of the stuff in my obsession. It contains 150 first rate, even "elite" (in some cases) ingredients. In that statement lies the difficulty. Many of the ingredients are extremely difficult to obtain reliably, in the same quality, so irreproduceable batches might even be necessary.

    And the "formula"? The formula was just a number of ideas and principles that guided lots of tweaking until it was OK:

    At first I was aiming for a juniper perfume, because juniper is a rare top note aphrodisiac (most top notes are opposite to aphrodisiacs, like citrus) that smells male. So there was lots of juniper initially, and wood notes (sandalwoods, cedars and oud) to support the juniper. Then there were strong musk/pheromone notes for obvious reasons, and some sweet/ambery notes (including weird things like tobacco, almond, and honey, as well as regular amber notes like balsams, vanillas and labdanums) to round it off, as well as the complex spice notes to support a masculine aprodisiac top note and add seductive attractiveness. I remember using chamomile to smooth it out, and valerians to give an animal note (smelly feet have the same chemical as valerian) and make it relaxing. There were trace amounts of every available pheromone for a humanizing element, including a trace of copulins. I almost ruined it by adding a drop of lavender and I think geranium (an African aphrodisiac), and the cumin didn't sit too well at first either (cumin has analog copulins, so I'd do the same thing over and just keep it light, as I did). So a lot of energy at one point went into repairing flaws in the smell. That's how the amber note got stronger, because you can fix almost anything by adding a load of amber. Of course, there was a floral note of jasmine, rose, neroli, and perhaps carnation. You can't neglect flowers if you want attraction.

    So the idea was to use every element of attraction perfuming known to mankind, and I was "stupid" enough to stick to that principle throughout. It was so ambitious, I just barely pulled it off (through tons of extra work/expense) without ruining everything with over-complexity.

    Between this post and my other posts on Pheros, a person could obtain a list of most of the ingredients.

    Pretty much every aphrodisiac substance from perfume chemistry (e.g., andrane), occult theory (e.g., bay and benzoin), mammalian pheromone biology (-nol, -rone, -none), and ancient perfume theory (frankincense, myrrhs, sandalwoods, jasmines, and the stuff they embalmed Jesus with) that you could name was in there. I am serious. I wanted it to be the best, in a naive sort of way.

    If I ever discover a reliable source or sources for the same type of things there is no reason I couldn't do another perfume of similar philosophy, but that is a big "if." To say some of these things are difficult to get is an understatement (Belgareth had some success locating some rare perfuming ingredients and perhaps has some understanding of this).

    The only other person I know of who did something like what I did (with "analog pheromones" -- you won't hear anyone besides me and him talk about that) is retired now. I learned a lot from this guy. However, some of his stuff is available in small quantity from an old friend of mine (OK three people know about analog pheromones including him). Since he sells pheromone perfumes (small time and locally, mostly, but he was doing it way before Bruce), I regard him as a competitor to Bruce and won't post anything on him. But if someone PMs me, I'll see what I can dig up, if he is even still in business. He is all about scents rather than lab pheromones like Bruce. Oh crap, I just remembered Bruce doesn't allow PMs. Hmm.
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    OK, I'm definitely interested in this "analog pheromones". Contact me at fffchmm@hotmail.com for more info please

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis View Post
    Thanks for your interest in Pheros.

    Oh crap, I just remembered Bruce doesn't allow PMs. Hmm.
    Then how do we get through to you? I'm interested in this "analog pheromone" thingy also!

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    Doc,

    How do we talk you into a new batch?!?! Free plane ride to SunRiver and lunch?

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    DST,

    A very interesting post. Have you thought of producing a new product (son of Pheros...) - a slimmed down version incorporating just the main notes ?

    What are analog pheromones ? I only know analog in the computing sense.

    I was interested to read about juniper being an aphrodisiac, & cumin having analog copulins. I didn't think of either having those properties but you're the expert here. I like chewing cumin seeds so I'm not sure what that means ...

    You mentioned that citrus scents are opposite to aphrodisiacs. The Middle Eastern 'perfumes' for men smell too perfumed to me to be aphrodisiacs so why are they used out there ?

    Interesting that you said that bay is an aphrodisiac from occult theory. I've got a 20 foot tall bay tree in my garden - it grows well in London, U.K.

    Thanks.

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