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    Women Can Smell a Man's Intentions

    By Melinda

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    posted: 09 January 2009 10:20 am ET

    The twinkle in his eye,

    his swagger, that sexy smile — all are clear signs he's

    in the mood.


    And, at least subconsciously, a woman can also tell by the scent of his sweat, according to new research.


    Scientists have long debated whether humans, like animals, use

    chemical signals called

    pheromones
    to

    communicate sexual

    interest
    to potential mates. Problem is, the effects of pheromones are thought to be subconscious

    — meaning that if we do communicate using them, we sure don't know it. It's also hard to know what these

    pheromones might be and how we sense them, so researchers understand little about them.
    But if human pheromones

    are going to be anywhere, they're going to be in sweat, right? Denise Chen, a psychologist at Rice University in

    Houston, and her colleagues devised an experiment to compare how women respond to different forms of

    male sweat

    sweat produced in everyday situations versus that produced when a man is turned on.
    The researchers speculated

    that if humans do produce and respond to sweat pheromones, then a woman should respond to a guy's sexual sweat

    differently than she does to his normal sweat.
    Chen and her colleagues asked 20 heterosexual guys to stop wearing

    deodorant and scented products for a few days. Then they told the men to put small pads in their armpits as they

    watched pornographic videos and became aroused (the researchers confirmed, using electrodes, that the images did the

    job). Later, the guys were asked to exchange those pads for fresh pads to collect the sweat they produced when they

    weren't aroused.
    Then the researchers recruited 19 brave women to smell the men's pads while undergoing brain

    scans.
    The investigators used functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), a technique that reveals the brain

    regions a person is using at any given time — even if their brain activity is subconscious.
    Sure enough, the

    women's brains responded very differently depending on which sweat they sniffed. (And no, none of them passed out.)

    The sexual sweat, but not the normal sweat, activated the right orbitofrontal cortex and the right fusiform cortex,

    brain areas that help us recognize emotions and perceive things, respectively. Both regions are in the right

    hemisphere, which is generally involved in smell, social response, and emotion.
    The findings bolster the idea that

    humans do communicate via

    subconscious chemical

    signals
    , notes Chen in her study, which was published in the Dec. 31 issue of the Journal of

    Neuroscience
    .
    Our sexual intentions, in other words, may be a lot clearer than we ever intended them to be.

    That crush you have on your co-worker? She may already know — at least subconsciously.
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    Dr. insect Chen has no clue

    whats going on in the real world. Anything will cause activity in the brain. People like her are to busy labeling

    things. They have no clue whats going on in the real world.
    Just like the pick-up artist scams. Billion dollar

    industry scam. Few guys i know spend thousands of dollars learning cocky and funny routines and attended seminar's.

    They wasted their money.
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    That's a rather narrow

    interpretation of peer reviewed scientific research. Comparing it to the tripe in the PUA community is much like

    comparing a paper airplane to a supersonic jet, there is no real comparison. Are you aware that different portions

    of the brain light up for different reasons? It has become specific enough that computers reading brain scans can

    come very close to determining a person's thoughts and memories?

    You do, of course, have the right to view

    research in any fashion you like but such a statement seems pretty ignorant. I will agree with yo about PUA seminars

    though.
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    Tonite I'm going out to a nite

    club. I'm taking my laptop with me. I'm gonna walk up to girls and connect to the laptop to their brains and check

    out brain activity.
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    I'm just wondering where you

    are going to get the scanning and imagery equipment. Kinda large and cumbersom to carry in your pocket.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    Thats it. Hot chicks for

    everyone. Dr.chen figured it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chicago View Post
    Dr. insect

    Chen has no clue whats going on in the real world. Anything will cause activity in the brain. People like her are to

    busy labeling things. They have no clue whats going on in the real world.
    Just like the pick-up artist scams.

    Billion dollar industry scam. Few guys i know spend thousands of dollars learning cocky and funny routines and

    attended seminar's. They wasted their money.
    Its just this kind of research that has produced

    synthetic pheromones to begin with, allowing you to have your "real world" fun. Don't bite the hand that feeds

    you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chicago View Post
    Dr.

    insect Chen has no clue whats going on in the real world. Anything will cause activity in the brain. People like her

    are to busy labeling things. They have no clue whats going on in the real world.
    I'm getting

    deja vu. Didn't I just correct somebody on this exact same flaw in reasoning? The point is not that there is

    brain activity, the point is that there were very specific kinds of brain activity, in specific, well known areas of

    the brain.

    If you are saying there is some problem somewhere with the interpretation of the results, I might

    agree with you. It was probably the journalist rather than, Dr. Chen, who concluded from that, that "a woman can

    smell a man's intentions". You can't quite make that scientific leap, from the little I read that Bel posted.



    But what you can tell seems very substantive still. That is, a woman smelling your spent sexual hormones from

    watching porn will likely become somewhat more perceptive or attentive toward your emotions as well. C'mon,

    Chicago. With anything scientific you have to think through it carefully, not just proclaim it gospel or total

    crap.
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    Dr.smell, what do you

    think is pure attraction,???
    Why some guys with or with out pheromones can get chicks. ???
    Dr. smell sometimes

    you have to loose you self to find your self. think about

    that
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    Do you mean "Without added

    artificial pheromones"? And have you considered the training we all have had all our lives in how to respond to

    certain types that normally have a given signature? It isn't nearly so simple as you'd like to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chicago View Post
    Why some

    guys with or with out pheromones can get chicks. ???
    It seems to me that's exactly what Dr. Chen is

    trying to figure out with her research, to our benefit.

    As an aside, "Dr. smell" seems rather

    derogatory and disrespectful. A simple DST or Doc will suffice if you don't want to spell out DrSmellThis. Sorry

    for being an etiquette cop. Its part of my "signature".


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    Quote Originally Posted by chicago View Post
    Tonite I'm

    going out to a nite club. I'm taking my laptop with me. I'm gonna walk up to girls and connect to the laptop to

    their brains and check out brain activity.
    Quote Originally Posted by belgareth View Post
    I'm just wondering where you

    are going to get the scanning and imagery equipment. Kinda large and cumbersom to carry in your pocket.


    "Is that a computer and imaging/scannig equipment in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

    Hey, maybe

    it would make a fine PUA "prop/gimmick." As long as you don't trip over the cables...

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    Men can smell a woman's

    intentions... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick666 View Post
    Men can

    smell a woman's intentions... ?
    I wouldn't be surprised. We are still animals despite our vrey

    thin layer of 'Civilization'
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    Well Chicago Lets do it this

    way:

    1. The brain is made up of "lobes"
    2. impulses cause lobes to have electrical and chemical activity.
    3.

    this activity can be monitored, and recorded with various instruments.
    4. through trial and error scientists have

    documeted the function of many different parts of the brain, and identify them as "lobes".

    So what Dr. Chen is

    doing is basicly studying if the different sweats cause the lobes to change from their "normal" state, what lobes

    these are, and what reaction is caused by these changes.

    her research seems sound.

    as for your assertation

    that some guys can get women without "mones". That is a lie. you are always producing pheromones, unless you have

    some genetic anomaly. We, in applying these products, highlight certain pheromones, bringing them to the forefront.

    This is much like make up and clothes highlight certain physical characteristics.

    There are alot of other

    things that go into attraction. And in no way id Dr. Chen claiming that pheromones aer the end all be all of

    attraction.

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    kgk4569 : you are

    absolutely right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idesign View Post
    It seems

    to me that's exactly what Dr. Chen is trying to figure out with her research, to our benefit.

    As an

    aside, "Dr. smell" seems rather derogatory and disrespectful. A simple DST or Doc will suffice if you don't want

    to spell out DrSmellThis. Sorry for being an etiquette cop. Its part of my "signature".
    I

    didn't read any disrespect from the youngster, but etiquette is almost always wise.
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    Yeah Doc, and you're quite

    capable of taking care of yourself, I just bristle sometimes at certain manners of address.

    No offense meant to

    chicago.

    Beers on the house! oops, sorry Bruce... beers on me!


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    I really do appreciate your

    efforts to maintain certain standards for discussion.

    I can talk trash as well as the next guy, but talking trash

    is something you do just for fun when it is prudent and safe to do so.

    Man I would love to cut loose sometimes

    and fling some monkey poop. But then I'd be in deep doo doo with idesign! It is far better for us to control

    ourselves and discipline ourselves to discuss by the rules.

    Thank you for helping to moderate the forum in

    that way.
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    Well Doc, don't be so quick to

    thank me, I just flung some poop on another thread, but it was in Open Discussion, and it wasn't real poop, just

    political discussion poop, which doesn't count.

    chicago, how do you come up with these great graphics?

    Pretty cool stuff! Hey! are you a blonde curly headed girl in real life? No wonder you're so popular! Cute dress

    btw... and funny post


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    yeah a good poop flinging is

    sometimes what is needed.

    the other day on this tech forum that I hang out on one of the regular members has

    been a bit trollish lately. He made a stupid comment about how MS only puts out new OSs to take money from people. I

    totally pwned him, it was fun. he even admitted that he was royally pwned.

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    Speaking of moderation, can we

    take this back to the topic?
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    Topic? you want to be on topic?

    There goes the neighborhood.....

    There have been a number of experiments of this type conducted using everything

    from printed oppinion forms filled out by the participants to MRIs and I wouldnt be supprised if somebody tried

    doing disections befor and after the experiment. The one thing that has been fairly consistent is that men and women

    realy do respond to the opposite sex differently under conditions involving sweat and arousal. The hard work isnt

    figuring out that it works...the hard part has been figuring out how to enhance responses from the opposite sex to

    our individual advantage.

    Thats where we come in.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by tim929 View Post
    Topic? you

    want to be on topic? There goes the neighborhood.....

    There have been a number of experiments of this type

    conducted using everything from printed oppinion forms filled out by the participants to MRIs and I wouldnt be

    supprised if somebody tried doing disections befor and after the experiment. The one thing that has been fairly

    consistent is that men and women realy do respond to the opposite sex differently under conditions involving sweat

    and arousal. The hard work isnt figuring out that it works...the hard part has been figuring out how to enhance

    responses from the opposite sex to our individual advantage.

    Thats where we come in.......
    Ah...well!

    You know how it is. Got to do something to justify my incredibly high salary.

    Hey Tim! Long time. Good to see

    you around.

    It surprises me the number of people who still stand firm on the idea that heromones do not work. A

    lot of people think the whole thing belongs in the same catagory as bigfoot and UFOs. I'm not complaining. It gives

    us fruitcakes a leg up in society.
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    High salary? Damn! I've got

    to talk to Bruce...

    I was never much interested in the "science of attraction" until I found these Mone thingys,

    and find the science pretty interesting but not all that useful. I think behavior is too complex and unpredictable

    from setting to setting to be able to nail down some kind of formula for success. Knowing that Stimulus A triggers

    Response B in Location C in Brain D only tells us what we know from experience. Knowing how an internal combustion

    engine works does not make me a better driver.

    Pheromones definitely work, and will "jump-start" a situation, but

    you're still left with what you can do afterwards to manage the response, as Tim said.

    Dos centavos


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    Default Want to know, but really don't

    Very

    interesting research, to know the (why) and (How) in the brains ..

    But do we want to really know ?

    With

    social science being advanced, if that type of brain activities research would produce the conclusive results, with

    'guaranteed' implements, products, to trigger exact and guaranteed results ... it won't be days til it is all

    'on the market', products for sale left and right ...

    Then where would that take us ? - no initiative,

    spontaneousity, excitement, experimentations, successes and failures.

    Would humans then evolve and find other

    methods of selections ?

    Hope we get close, but not close enough to our detriment

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicago View Post


    Dr.smell, what do you think is pure attraction,???
    Why some guys with or with out pheromones can get chicks. ???


    Dr. smell sometimes you have to loose you self to find your self. think about that



    Allright hold it!!!! I think we are getting a bit off track here.

    People have just GOT to stop assuming that

    phermones pick up chicks, and understand what a phermone is.

    Mood altering, or behavior altering substances. Not

    attractants or aphrodisiacs. You want to alter someone's mood, get them to be more talkative, so you can have an

    easier time chatting her up and picking her up.

    I think it is why so many people are skeptical about

    phermones...everyone is way too into thinking they are there as attractants or aphrodisiacs when in reality, they

    are just substances that alter mood, or better yet influence mood.

    I have found in myself that cognitive

    thinking can override any mood altering effects from a phermone, so wearing Androstenol and telling someone to 'get

    fucked' is not going to get them in a good mood, wearing it and smiling, saying hi, starting up a conversation has

    a high probablility of getting someone in a good mood. Unless something else is bugging them.

    I have found that,

    they can alter mood, but they dont get you the chicks. You still have to do that, phermones can just help

    significantly at setting the mood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgk4569 View Post
    Well

    Chicago Lets do it this way:

    1. The brain is made up of "lobes"
    2. impulses cause lobes to have electrical and

    chemical activity.
    3. this activity can be monitored, and recorded with various instruments.
    4. through trial and

    error scientists have documeted the function of many different parts of the brain, and identify them as "lobes".



    So what Dr. Chen is doing is basicly studying if the different sweats cause the lobes to change from their

    "normal" state, what lobes these are, and what reaction is caused by these changes.

    her research seems sound.



    as for your assertation that some guys can get women without "mones". That is a lie. you are always producing

    pheromones, unless you have some genetic anomaly. We, in applying these products, highlight certain pheromones,

    bringing them to the forefront. This is much like make up and clothes highlight certain physical characteristics.



    There are alot of other things that go into attraction. And in no way id Dr. Chen claiming that pheromones aer the

    end all be all of attraction.

    I dont know about this, I think Chicago might be right in that yea,

    guys can get chicks without phermones, but I wouldnt say 'some guys', I would say any guy who looks decent and

    knows how to chat up a girl and say the right things can get the girl without phermones.

    So that is persuation,

    and phermones can magnify, or intensly magify that persuation, make you a lot more persuasive.

    Can you keep up

    the perfect line? Sure, but for how long? Like how many chicks do you have to go through before you finally pick one

    up? It can get to be exhausting if you have to work too hard, I like making things easier on myself. That way you

    can get more girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idesign View Post
    High

    salary? Damn! I've got to talk to Bruce...

    I was never much interested in the "science of attraction" until I

    found these Mone thingys, and find the science pretty interesting but not all that useful. I think behavior is too

    complex and unpredictable from setting to setting to be able to nail down some kind of formula for success. Knowing

    that Stimulus A triggers Response B in Location C in Brain D only tells us what we know from experience. Knowing how

    an internal combustion engine works does not make me a better driver.

    Pheromones definitely work, and will

    "jump-start" a situation, but you're still left with what you can do afterwards to manage the response, as Tim

    said.

    Dos centavos

    When it comes to sex, people are about as complicated as it can get. Youve got

    fetishes, things that turn certain people on or off, its not like an animal...when one gets in the heat it has sex

    with whatever happens to be available. Phermones can defineitly be used to control sexual behavior of an animal, but

    people arent that simple and they always have the choice based on what thier preferences are.

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