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    I saw this on

    another forum I read, thought it was interesting.

    http://www.politicalcompass.org/index

    As you'd

    expect from the name, its a four-point spectrum rather than just Left-Right. It uses L-R as the economic scale, and

    "Authoritarian" and "Libertarian" as the north-south axis, indicating social beliefs.

    I took the test and found

    myself a lot closer to the center of both than I thought I'd be.


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    Gee, what a surprise. I'm a

    left wing libertarian. But by this test, so was Ghandi. Not a bad person to think like.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belgareth View Post
    Gee, what a

    surprise. I'm a left wing libertarian
    That's what I got too!

    Economic Left/Right -4.00
    Social

    Libertarian/Authoritarian -3.64
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    I'm a little off from you guys.

    I was dead 0.00 on the social aspects, and +2 on the economic. Its a fun exercise, and I really thought I'd be

    further right on both.


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    Quote Originally Posted by idesign View Post
    I'm a

    little off.
    You could have stopped right there
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    Why state the

    obvious????

    OTOH, I stand on my offal, even if it stinks to some.

    I'd really love to see my perfume and

    political pal DST take this test. Could be a fun comparison Doc, you out there?


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    Why state more than necessary?



    Yeah, Doc! Please take the test and tell us where you stand. It would be interesting.

    I was actually

    surprised at my results in some ways because I have always felt that government is more a burden than anything else

    and have yet to find any real purpose for the vast majority of it. More than anything, the function of government is

    self perpetuation which is done through lies and propoganda.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

    Thomas Jefferson

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    And where is KoolKing? Come out

    of the woodwork fella, you're always good for some reliable commentary.


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    Economic

    Left/Right: -6.62
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.87


    So that puts me slightly more libertarian

    and left than the Dalai Lama. I guess I should be happy with that. Well hello, Dali, oh hello, Dali...

    But this

    test is obviously useless if it shows me and Bel in the same quad. I demand a recount. Ironically, I might be

    more libertarian than Bel, which is pretty bad. That's like being more authoritarian than Atilla the Hun. Who

    wins, Bel? I mean I know you always win, but who wins?

    I'd really hate to meet the upper right guy who thinks

    multinational corporations should beat his kids like nappy headed stepchildren.

    I don't know about idesign being

    in the middle of the road on everything. Maybe he's a left winger locked insider a right winger, a veritable

    cornicopia of contrast, the iron sheik of irony. But middle of the road? Too much traffic. Maybe idesign owns the

    road and can get away with it.
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    It does seem a bit skewed,

    doesn't it?

    Come on now, doc. We may disagree in many areas but I have taken a lot from what you have argued

    over the years. That you don't seem to understand where I stand is always an issue. I can stand outside and watch

    and have opinions about what others do. But unless somebody is directly impacting my areas of rights and

    responsibility I will do nothing other than watch and form opinions. I have no right whatsoever to force any change

    on another person so long as they grant me the same courtesy. By the same token, I believe you are entitled to

    believe any way you like, so long as you do not try to force me to believe or act in the same manner. Personal

    rights and responsibility for ones actions is the very core from where I do everything. Often I embrace other

    thoughts and idea so long as they do not ty to change that core belief. Is there some form of winning or losing in

    that stance? Not from my perspective but possibly from the perspective of one who would try to force changes or

    their beliefs on me. I'm not competing with anybody so cannot win or lose.
    Last edited by belgareth; 02-27-2009 at 06:48 AM.
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    These simple tests are sometimes fun

    to try, but I find, like with many of them, there are too many open interpretations of terminology in the questions.

    But then again I can be a semantic nit-picker.

    Like the one "are you religious" one. What is "religious?" Does

    one need to be a don't do anything till you clear it with the parish priest mass twice a day ritual bound Roman

    Catholic? Or can you be "religious" if you follow any set of rules laid down by a major "organized religion" (and

    how closely do you need to follow those rules). Are you "religious" if you consider yourself Wiccan? How about if

    you just live you life based on Shinto, some Native American beliefs, Voodoo?

    I consider "religion" to be "that

    set of rules and guidelines you use to live you life by" sorta thing, so even being an athiest is a form of

    religion, or belief.

    Anyway, enough end of workday rant.

    I ended up in the area of -2.5 -3 (lower left

    quad). Interesting that in their example the lower right quad had no sample names... Wonder who would fit there?
    The opposite of love isn't hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belgareth View Post
    It

    does seem a bit skewed, doesn't it?

    Come on now, doc. We may disagree in many areas but I have taken a lot from

    what you have argued over the years. That you don't seem to understand where I stand is always an issue. I can

    stand outside and watch and have opinions about what others do. But unless somebody is directly impacting my areas

    of rights and responsibility I will do nothing other than watch and form opinions. I have no right whatsoever to

    force any change on another person so long as they grant me the same courtesy. By the same token, I believe you are

    entitled to believe any way you like, so long as you do not try to force me to believe or act in the same manner.

    Personal rights and responsibility for ones actions is the very core from where I do everything. Often I embrace

    other thoughts and idea so long as they do not ty to change that core belief. Is there some form of winning or

    losing in that stance? Not from my perspective but possibly from the perspective of one who would try to force

    changes or their beliefs on me. I'm not competing with anybody so cannot win or lose.
    Just kidding around,

    Belgareth. I definitely know you believe all that. I was talking about winning in terms of who had the higher score,

    and just threw in some kidding for fun.

    FWIW, there is a weird element (OK, elements) to my sense of humor that

    is a little edgy; OK, a lot edgy; and I typically accept that there will be a certain percentage of

    misunderstandings because of it. Y'all get the restrained version here, with a few exceptions. God forbid you have

    more than two beers with me, though.
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    Sorry for misunderstanding you,

    Doc. That's always the trouble with the written word, its sometimes hard to discern intent when you can't see

    facial expressions or hear tone of voice.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis View Post
    Economic Left/Right: -6.62
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.87



    So that puts me slightly more libertarian and left than the Dalai Lama. I guess I should be happy

    with that. Well hello, Dali, oh hello, Dali...

    But this test is obviously useless if it shows me and Bel in the

    same quad. I demand a recount. Ironically, I might be more libertarian than Bel, which is pretty bad. That's

    like being more authoritarian than Atilla the Hun. Who wins, Bel? I mean I know you always win, but who

    wins?

    I'd really hate to meet the upper right guy who thinks multinational corporations should beat his kids

    like nappy headed stepchildren.

    I don't know about idesign being in the middle of the road on everything. Maybe

    he's a left winger locked insider a right winger, a veritable cornicopia of contrast, the iron sheik of irony. But

    middle of the road? Too much traffic. Maybe idesign owns the road and can get away with it.
    Funny

    comments Doc! For the sake of controversy, I can definitely see you and Bel in the same quadrant, but also

    definitely see the manner of degree in which you differ.

    Bel only seems to win because he's immovable. Kind

    of like the statue of liberty before the apocalypse. You're the anti-apocalypse, trying to arrest the sinking sand

    by force of idea. Winning and losing is not much of an issue now. Waiting is the new optimism.

    You're right

    Doc, I'm a Porsche motor stuck in a Honda Civic. Neither one of those is happy right now.
    Last edited by idesign; 03-05-2009 at 06:25 PM. Reason: Perfecting the analogy


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    An interesting/amusing story

    goes with the statement about being unmovable. Misunderstood is a much better description. I've been described as a

    liberal, a conservative and so on but deny all the labels because they are too generic.

    But, the story. When

    they were young I wouldn't let my daughters get tattos, piercings or dye their hair...or so they thought. I have

    good reasons for my beliefs but also have the ability to teach. My second daughter finally caught on when she walked

    up to me one day and said "Dad, it's my hair and I can take care of it myself. I know the problems with too much

    hair dye and I know how to take care of it. Now, can I please dye my hair." My replay was, completely accurate then

    and now "I never said you couldn't. All you had to do was discuss it with me like a responsible adult and you would

    have figured it out a long time ago." After the shock wore off she bought hair dye and dyed her hair. She also took

    very good care of it and didn't leave a mess for somebody else to clean up.

    I don't win or lose and I'm not

    immovable. But I do like to make people think and I do a lot to teach others. I'd also bet that nobody on this

    forum really understands where I'm coming from. It happens to me all the time.

    Or, to be more accurate, if I

    can make somebody think, introduce a new thought or help them grow, I win.
    Last edited by belgareth; 03-05-2009 at 01:30 AM.
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    Sure Bel, we're all

    misunderstood to some extent, hence Doc's surprise about me being in the middle of the road. I was surprised too

    and, as you say, there's no way to succinctly categorize the complexities of beliefs, understandings, positions or

    other calculations of life on earth.

    Its all fun though, and now I can call Doc a flaming liberal with a brain,

    you an incomprehensible yet stolid weirdo, and myself even more of a flaming politically cross-dressing weirdo. But

    what I've learned from you guys has nothing to do with a "compass", its interaction. Debate with someone who

    disagrees is, obviously, what debate is all about.

    As in all discussions of this nature, on these forums, we

    should accept others' positions as their positions, and call each other full of shit with some level of comradarie.

    What we don't want to do is emulate politicians.


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