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    Default Chikara & Perception

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    What's the

    advantage of Chikara over the other L-S products - does it generate hits in a different way from the others? (I know

    the selling points of TE/m, AE/m, SOE).

    Also, Perception doesn't seem to be mentioned very much & is cheaper.

    Its ratios of 'mones seems good & it had some good reviews in the L-S web site buying section but what are

    peoples' real views on it. Thanks.

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    Some people cannot use things

    like TE/NPA. Chikara is a little more sexual than SoE (according to common perceptions), contains 7 mones and is a

    pretty good product. It is someplace between A7 and SoE. I like it as well as SoE and do not get the -none OD from

    it like I do Primal or TE.

    Perception is pretty low in pheromone concentration and many people get no results

    with it at all. It does do a good job as an extender when you apply it over other mones. They disperse slowly and

    stay around a lot longer.
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    Gee, am I the only person left in

    the world that actually likes Perception?

    I will say, though, that I only get results with it if I use a full

    gel pack, but to me that makes sense. My "effective" dose range with other products seems to be 30mcg None and 40mcg

    Nol.

    With a full gel pack of Perception I hit my Nol level and get 20mcg of None and Rone...

    I wore it to

    my work Christmas Party just last Friday and had two very cute waitresses be very attentive.

    I can't

    comment on Chikara, though, as I haven't used it enough to judge.

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    Different products affect different

    people (both wearer and targets) in different ways.

    I know I get more of an "upbeat" interaction with at least

    one of my primary "test subject" friends when I wear Chikara (more arm hits, more conversation, more smiles, more

    interaction).

    Perception on the other hand has given me next to nothing except for *possibly* a reaction from a

    middle aged female clerk while I was wearing a full gel-pack. She asked if the woman friend I as with was my mother.

    Granted friend was an older woman, but she was only about *5 years* older than I. It's possible the pheromone mix

    of Perception was creating a more "youthful" vibe (and if you will excuse the semi-intentional play on words) her

    "perception" of me as being a fair amount younger than I am. So it's possible that Perception may serve some of us

    older guys who are seeking to "appear" younger and a bit more "virile" to women.


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    I wanted to like Perception, but

    it never worked for me. I only tried the gel packs since they came free, but I was let down. I did use them only

    when I was pretty new to pheromones so that might have affected the testing, but having so many other choices,

    perception remains at the bottom of my list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belgareth View Post
    Some people cannot use things like TE/NPA. Chikara is a little more sexual than SoE

    (according to common perceptions), contains 7 mones and is a pretty good product. It is someplace between A7 and

    SoE. I like it as well as SoE and do not get the -none OD from it like I do Primal or TE.

    Perception is pretty

    low in pheromone concentration and many people get no results with it at all. It does do a good job as an extender

    when you apply it over other mones. They disperse slowly and stay around a lot longer.
    You mean A7 is

    more sexual than Chikara?

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    A7 is much heavier in

    androsteNone than Chikara, and contains a bit of Rone. Chikara is steered and buffered with a lot of "secret"

    stuff, and is more social.


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    Interesting

    I'm a complete newbie and was wondering if upping the dosage of Perception would help -- using

    a whole gel pack or even more instead of 1/2? Any dangers to this?

    What about combining with

    TE?

    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by svpppljutf View Post
    Interesting

    I'm a complete newbie and was wondering if upping the dosage of

    Perception would help -- using a whole gel pack or even more instead of 1/2? Any dangers to this?

    What about

    combining with TE?

    Thank you
    The only time I even think I got a reaction/response when using

    Perception gels was after I tried an entire packet. Worth a try.

    Perception already has androstenone in it, so

    adding more in the form of The Edge *may* cause an OD, but then again given the poor response I've gotten with

    Percerption, it may help...

    If nothing else, applying Perception OVER TE will help the TE last longer. The

    "extender" part of the Perception carrier does seem to work okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svpppljutf View Post
    Interesting

    I'm a complete newbie and was wondering if upping the dosage of

    Perception would help -- using a whole gel pack or even more instead of 1/2? Any dangers to this?

    What about

    combining with TE?

    Thank you
    A whole gel pkt would give you 20 mcg of

    Androstenone, which could be on the OD side for some users, especially young

    guys.

    I would say give the 1/2 pkt a run for awhile,

    before proceeding to the whole pkt.

    If you notice that

    the 1/2 pack is a little none heavy for the young girls then try adding 1/2 pkt SOE for that

    date.
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    i tried two of the

    perception gel packs and didn't notice any reactions. although, there was one occasion when i had a whole pack on

    at the grocery store and an older man in his seventies looked at me like i was from a different planet, but thats

    about it. chikara by itself doesn't do anything for me, i have to layer it with something else like TE or SOE to

    really notice anything from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5alphareductase View Post
    i tried two of the perception gel packs and didn't notice any reactions. although,

    there was one occasion when i had a whole pack on at the grocery store and an older man in his seventies looked at

    me like i was from a different planet, but thats about it. chikara by itself doesn't do anything for me, i have to

    layer it with something else like TE or SOE to really notice anything from

    it.
    I also do not get anything from Chikara

    alone.

    I find TE sorta

    fair.

    But i have had some rock solid hits with Chikara

    @ 2 sp + TE @ 1 sp so figre that ha ha.

    Years ago i

    noticed zilch from my PI unscented, and also nix from my Perception

    pks.

    So one day i met up with a girl to purchase her

    cell phone, and just about as soon as she opened her door till the time i broke free from her she was staring at me

    with open mouth dihl she was upset that i had to leave, never met her before

    this.

    What i had on was 1 dr PI + 1/2 pkt Perception,

    so once again, go figre ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by terry0400-40 View Post
    A whole gel pkt would give you 20 mcg of

    Androstenone, which could be on the OD side for some users, especially young

    guys.

    I would say give the 1/2 pkt a run for awhile,

    before proceeding to the whole pkt.

    If you notice that

    the 1/2 pack is a little none heavy for the young girls then try adding 1/2 pkt SOE for that

    date.
    Both me and my "target" are in the lower 30s -- what would you think is good

    in that case? (I also have a longer post with questions at

    HTML Code:
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    )

    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by svpppljutf View Post
    Both me and my "target" are in the lower 30s -- what would you think is good in that case?

    (I also have a longer post with questions at
    HTML Code:
    http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19458
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    Thank you
    If all you have available is Perception then you may as

    well use it up and see if it enhances your pheromone signature. ( see if it works for you

    )

    Start testing with 1/2

    pack.

    Few sprays of cologne first, wait until is dry

    then softly apply Perception.


    You may go up to one

    full pkt if you dont notice decent reactions from the 1/2.




    Remember to have a good wash of the application sites between

    uses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svpppljutf View Post
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    By the way, do

    you have any comments on the following:

    Recently ordered Perception gel packs (which also came with

    TE freebie gel pack).

    Now this may sound like a completely stupid question, but how does one exactly

    rub (& how hard) in the gel and how does one make sure to use only half the pack per application?

    My

    plan:

    -- Given that it's a cold winter and I'll be wearing a scarf, a coat and probably gloves, I plan to apply

    to the jaw/below ear/near neck area on both sides. Have people ever tried applying to either the chin, below the

    chin or the forehead?

    -- Would you recommend washing the area first? First of all, I intend to apply the gel in

    the evening, so would washing with a fragrant shower gel in the morning be of any help/hurt/no difference -- what

    about Armani Code shower gel?

    -- I plan to briefly wash/lightly dab the areas with water, dry with towel

    and then apply a cologne (thinking of starting off with Acqua di Gio, or maybe an Acqua di Gio

    knockoff).

    -- Should I wait some amount of time before applying the gel after the cologne -- I believe I have

    read here some recommending to wait until the alcohol dries -- how long does that usually take?

    -- Then, I plan

    to apply the gel -- the big question is how? I don't mean to sound stupid, but exactly how do I apply --

    squeeze some of the gel out on my finger and rub in a circular/back and forth fashion in the target spot? For how

    long should I rub? How do I know whether I'm using half the pack or more or less? Can I just put the remaining pack

    in a drawer without attempting to close the pack in any way (I'm afraid if I'll close it, I'll accidentally

    squeeze out more). Also, when I'm done, do I need to wash my hands -- can I try to rub whatever remains on my

    fingers into my hair (and if so, should I have sprayed my hair with cologne first)?

    -- What if I use half the

    pack and feel it's not enough -- is it okay to use more -- what are the dangers of using more? Supposedly, I won't

    OD since this is Perception. Is the only danger possible bad smell, and if so, can I just use an extra spray

    of cologne?

    -- Also, since I also got TE gel pack too, do you recommend mixing with Perception? If

    so, in what proportion and what should the total amount of gel be?

    -- Lastly, how come Perception (unlike

    TE for example) doesn't list their ingredients? Does anyone know what they are? Does BDC Concepts

    (or other manufactures) have a web site?

    I'm:

    a complete newbie, hetero male, about 5' 3''

    +, about 135 lbs, white/Jewish, currently am in the greater metropolitan New York City

    area, and my "target" is a female of my age (low 30s) with whom I went to school (we knew each other and were

    friendly, but were more acquaintances than friends there) -- have barely kept in touch since then but starting a few

    months ago started hanging out -- want to ask her out now

    Thank you very much from an

    eager newbie


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    You can rub it in like your

    would a hand lotion. A few drops of the gel on your arms or where ever your applying and rub it in until you think

    its spread around enough. It will dry and absorb pretty quickly.

    Acqua Di Gio is a good smelling cover scent.

    There's been some discussion on different ways of layering the mones and cover. You might try something along the

    lines of spray the cover scent. Then wait a few mins for it to dry. Then apply the mones. Wait for it to dry. And

    then, if you think needed, another layer of the cover scent until you think it smells right.
    If I'm the rubber and your the glue..then I'd probably get some, and you'd just be sticky

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    Some comments...

    You don't

    really need to over-analyze this or worry about so many things. The best strategy is to maintain your current way

    of doing anything, and see how the pheromones will make a difference.

    If you understand that the use of

    pheromones is an art form based on limited scientific research, you'll understand the importance of your own

    experimentation. Each of us is different, and no amount of advice, other than very general advice, will give you

    the knowledge you need to find your best application.

    Think of it as learning to drive, you can learn the basics

    here, but you'll have to actually get on the road to know what you're doing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by svpppljutf View Post


    By the way, do you have any comments on the following:

    Recently ordered

    Perception gel packs (which also came with TE freebie gel pack).

    Now this may sound like a

    completely stupid question, but how does one exactly rub (& how hard) in the gel and how does one make sure to use

    only half the pack per application?

    My plan:

    -- Given that it's a cold winter and I'll be wearing a scarf,

    a coat and probably gloves, I plan to apply to the jaw/below ear/near neck area on both sides. Have people ever

    tried applying to either the chin, below the chin or the forehead?

    -- Would you recommend washing the area

    first? First of all, I intend to apply the gel in the evening, so would washing with a fragrant shower gel in the

    morning be of any help/hurt/no difference -- what about Armani Code shower gel?

    -- I plan to briefly

    wash/lightly dab the areas with water, dry with towel and then apply a cologne (thinking of starting off with

    Acqua di Gio, or maybe an Acqua di Gio knockoff).

    -- Should I wait some amount of time before

    applying the gel after the cologne -- I believe I have read here some recommending to wait until the alcohol dries

    -- how long does that usually take?

    -- Then, I plan to apply the gel -- the big question is how? I don't

    mean to sound stupid, but exactly how do I apply -- squeeze some of the gel out on my finger and rub in a

    circular/back and forth fashion in the target spot? For how long should I rub? How do I know whether I'm using half

    the pack or more or less? Can I just put the remaining pack in a drawer without attempting to close the pack in any

    way (I'm afraid if I'll close it, I'll accidentally squeeze out more). Also, when I'm done, do I need to wash my

    hands -- can I try to rub whatever remains on my fingers into my hair (and if so, should I have sprayed my hair with

    cologne first)?

    -- What if I use half the pack and feel it's not enough -- is it okay to use more -- what are

    the dangers of using more? Supposedly, I won't OD since this is Perception. Is the only danger possible bad

    smell, and if so, can I just use an extra spray of cologne?

    -- Also, since I also got TE gel pack too, do

    you recommend mixing with Perception? If so, in what proportion and what should the total amount of gel be?



    -- Lastly, how come Perception (unlike TE for example) doesn't list their ingredients? Does anyone

    know what they are? Does BDC Concepts (or other manufactures) have a web site?

    I'm:

    a complete

    newbie, hetero male, about 5' 3'' +, about 135 lbs, white/Jewish, currently am

    in the greater metropolitan New York City area, and my "target" is a female of my age (low 30s) with whom I

    went to school (we knew each other and were friendly, but were more acquaintances than friends there) -- have barely

    kept in touch since then but starting a few months ago started hanging out -- want to ask her out now



    Thank you very much from an eager newbie
    Re

    Perception, It contains an Androstenol/Androsterone/Androstenone

    ratio of 2:1:1 Therefore a gel/pkt containing .08mg/ml would supply 80mcg of pheromones

    in 1ml gel,

    Which equates to Nol 40 mcg, Rone 20

    mcg, aNONE, 20 mcg.


    If using 1/2 pkt perception

    then i would not plan on adding any TE gel at the moment and certainly not till you can understand the dynamics of

    your Perception applications.

    If you eventually come

    to the conclusion that you need some added sexual tension then go use the full Perception gel/pkt, as that will

    provide 20 mcg aNONE which should do.


    Probably

    keep your TE gel/pks and test these alone so as to get an idea of your aNONE

    requirements,

    Start of light when testing out TE

    because the new pkts contain .08 mg Androstenone including secret ingredients in 1 ml Gel., thats 80 mcg per pkt so

    you can start off testing with 1/5 - 1/4 pkt when testing alone, Like 1/5 of a gel/pkt is about equal in pheromone

    quantity as one spray off Edge Sandlewood = 16 or 17 mcg.
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