Swap Mix Talk for Exact Compounds

[jago25_99]

I

notice most posts refer to proprietory names for 'mones like AlterEgo, or Edge.

The problem with this is that I

then have to look up what the product contains.

As far as I know there are only a few definate

'mones:

• [URL="http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/../human-pheromones/androstenone.htm"]Androstenone[/URL
  
  ]
• Androstenol
• Androsterone
• 
  
  Androstadienone
  
  (A1)
• Copulins
• Estratetraenol
• Androstadienol

So why

not talk in those terms?

Otherwise what's being said isn't clear, which is good for brand development, but bad

for scientific understanding.

[Rbt]

One problem is that each phero

product, individual pheromones or mixes, contain different proportions and concentrations of pheromones, and those

mixes and "dosages" can make a big difference.

Many manufacturers keep the exact pheromone content and strength

as trade secrets, plus there seems to be a whole mess of "putative" (possible - but not proven) pheromones out there

that can find their way into a product as well, eg "secret ingredients."

If you want to concentrate on specific

pheromones then you would be dealing with those who like to do custom mixes using "chemset" (individual) pheromones.

You'd need to know the exact concentrations, exact sources (brands/labs/counrty of origin) and possibly batch

numbers, as there could be some variability during manufacture.

[jago25_99]

Well this is the thing for me.

I've found that more than anything I want something that matches my best

self.

The problem I've found with 'mones is that I find they don't market my best features; it's not me.



For a start, anything with 'none in it makes me extremely aggressive, or has no effect. I don't feel it suits me

or induces the right effect for me personally, for a good flirt.
Chikara is less bad but it's still here but in a

different way.

I guess that leads to the question, what doesn't have 'none in it that I can try?

The

problem I find is that, instead of my personality complimenting the 'mones, I find the mones erase my personality,

either making me feel fake, or aggressive. The last thing I want is to be more scary. It also depends on my mood.

Sometimes I feel alpha, sometimes I feel not just beta, but even a bit gay!

This is why I'm interesting in what

are in the mixes.

There could well be some secret ingretients out there that would suit me well.

How do we

find what suits us? To answer that we have to know ourselves, which isn't easy.

So what has 'rol, but not

'none in it? And optionally 'nol and Androstadienone as well

[Rbt]

Your best starter choice for a

commercial mix product would probably be Scent Of Eros for men. It's almost purely "social." No androstenone. You

can get the scented or "unscented" (no added scent)

versions.
http://www.love-scent.com/product_in...f50205477dfdf7



http://www.love-scent.com/product_in...f50205477dfdf7

A314 may work for you as well, although I understand there is a

small amount of androstenone in it, it is primarily

androsterone.
http://www.love-scent.com/product_in...f50205477dfdf7


Another "social" mix is WAGG. No androstenone in this

version

either.
http://www.love-scent.com/product_in...f50205477dfdf7

There are also "chemset" versions of straight single pheromones available,

and if I recall, some of the "Super Primal Oils" have small amounts of androstenol in

them.
http://www.love-scent.com/product_in...f50205477dfdf7




http://www.love-scent.com/index.php/...f50205477dfdf7

[idesign]

I suppose everything depends on

your goals and your personality jago25. It sounds like your own "personal vibe" might be incongruous with -None,

in which case you should stay away from it or learn to buffer it with other products. Others might suggest that you

adjust your "game" to match the -Mone, but this doesn't seem like what you're after.

It seems like your best

bet might be SoE or WAGG. Personally, I like SoE for its indisputable results, whether professionally or socially.

Mostly -Rol with a bit of -Rone (4:1) it should give you the friendly and easy vibe you seem to be looking for.

I

can only suggest what many others here have suggested many times: you have to experiment to find your perfect mix.

Start with a single product, like SoE, find out what it does, do the same with other products, then mix judiciously

with what you've learned. You may end up with a mix that includes a small amount of -None, but is heavy with -Rol

and a drop of A1. You'll find it with some patience.

One reason its best to use brand names instead of chem

names is that individual products just plain have different effects for different people. Among the heavy -None

products - NPA, A7, TE, Primal - I've noticed HUGE differences in their effects because their constituent chems are

different. And you'll have different experiences than I do. Its not an exact science, as Rbt said.

[idesign]

Ha! Looks like Rbt and I were

posting at the same time, and agree. That would make our suggestions infallible!

[jago25_99]

From WAGG: `for guys

already a little heavy on the "lone wolf" or "Clint Eastwood" side.`

^ sounds very much like me! I have a

reputation for wandering off randomly...

Yeah, I find that -none exaggerates aggressive and antisocial

tendencies. It's odd how that goes with the grain for some people, but not for me.

I wonder if that's because

I'm already alpha deep inside and it's overdosing me, or whether it doesn't match who I am. Or whether my

subconcious has a false view of what the -none smell should do.

I have some SOE here somewhere... but I've

forgotton where I put it!
If I can find it, I'll try it again. Thanks for the help