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    Default The Pill Makes Women Pick Bad Mates

    The Pill Makes Women Pick Bad Mates


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    Birth-control pills could screw up a woman's ability to sniff out a compatible mate, a new study finds.



    While several factors can send a woman swooning, including big brains and brawn, body odor can be critical in

    the final decision, the researchers say. That's because beneath a woman's flowery fragrance or a guy's musk the

    body sends out aromatic molecules that indicate genetic compatibility.

    Major histocompatibility complex (MHC)

    genes are involved in immune response and other functions, and the best mates are those that have different MHC

    smells than you. The new study reveals, however, that when women are on the pill they prefer guys with matching MHC

    odors.

    MHC genes churn out substances that tell the body whether a cell is a native or an invader. When

    individuals with different MHC genes mate, their offspring's immune systems can recognize a broader range of

    foreign cells, making them more fit.

    Past studies have suggested couples with dissimilar MHC genes are more

    satisfied and more likely to be faithful to a mate. And the opposite is also true with matchng-MHC couples showing

    less satisfaction and more wandering eyes.

    "Not only could MHC-similarity in couples lead to fertility

    problems," said lead researcher Stewart Craig Roberts, an evolutionary psychologist at the University of Newcastle

    in England, "but it could ultimately lead to the breakdown of relationships when women stop using the contraceptive

    pill, as odor perception plays a significant role in maintaining attraction to partners."

    Sexy scents

    The

    study involved about 100 women, aged 18 to 35, who chose which of six male body-odor samples they preferred. They

    were tested at the start of the study when none of the participants were taking contraceptive pills and three months

    later after 40 of the women had started taking the pill more than two months prior.

    For the non-pill users,

    results didn't show a significant preference for similar or dissimilar MHC odors. When women started taking birth

    control, their odor preferences changed. These women were much more likely than non-pill users to prefer MHC-similar

    odors.

    "The results showed that the preferences of women who began using the contraceptive pill shifted towards

    men with genetically similar odors," Roberts said.

    Pregnant state

    Based on the work by Claus Wedekind, a

    University of Lausanne researcher who preformed similar studies in the 1990s, Roberts suggests a likely reason for

    the pill's effect on a woman's odor preferences. The pill puts a woman's body into a hormonally pregnant state

    (the reason she doesn't ovulate), and during that time there would be no reason to seek out a mate.

    "When women

    are pregnant there's no selection pressure, evolutionarily speaking, for having a preference for genetically

    dissimilar odors," Roberts said. "And if there is any pressure at all it would be towards relatives, who would be

    more genetically similar, because the relatives would help those individuals rear the baby."

    So the pill puts a

    woman's body into a post-mating state, even though she might be still in the game.

    "The pill is in effect

    mirroring a natural shift but at an inappropriate time," Roberts told LiveScience.

    The results are detailed in

    the current issue of the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences.
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    I always instictly knew

    that....

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    By the same token, this

    creates opportunities for those totally inappropriate "bad boys".

    If you date a woman who is pregnant or on

    the pill, you just have to realize you are probably getting into something time limited.

    You also have to know

    that if you "let" your girlfriend or wife get on the pill, you are exposing your relationship to possible stress,

    especially in the sexuality department. And it helps explain why pregnancy is often a difficult time for

    couples.

    This all certainly fits my personal experience, in both cases.

    Every woman and man should be taught

    this.

    Nice post, Bel. We've known this for a number of years, but it's nice to see another study supporting the

    conclusion.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    I read about this on

    another site (nothing at all related, a financial advisor type who comments about lots of things) and I though to

    myself, Love-Scenters have known about this for years.

    Isn't it kind of ironic that pheromone wearers are

    running the same risk, attracting someone who ordinarily wouldn't be interested in us.

    I don't recall it

    ever mentioned here, guy wears mones and attracts gal, stops wearing them and she heads out the door, has it

    happened to anyone?

    Speaking of birth control pills, I got an email today from a female acquaintance who is

    telling me that the US Government is moving towards a position that birth control pills are a form of abortion and

    will eventually be banned.
    There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by koolking1 View Post
    ...I got an

    email today from a female acquaintance who is telling me that the US Government is moving towards a position that

    birth control pills are a form of abortion and will eventually be banned.
    And capitol punishment is

    retroactive abortion, think they'll ban that too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtnjim View Post
    And capitol

    punishment is retroactive abortion, think they'll ban that too?

    Actually they pretty much have. The

    death penalty is pretty much gone nationwide.

    We are seeing quite a stir on the local news about some

    pharmacists refusing to fill prescriptions for the morning after pills based on religious beliefs, with some talk

    that some pharmacists are also sometimes refusing to fill BC prescriptions as well.

    It is evident to me the

    Republicans and some religious groups are working toward the elimination of the First Ammendment (that covers

    freedom of choice and freedom of/from religion).

    And I can't go along with those who say "the people" won't

    let it happen. Just look at the dismal voter turnouts in this country. There are quite a few sheep, quite a few...




    (Don't be suprised if along with bans on "suppliments" like vitamins etc we see a move to ban pheromone

    products as well.)
    The opposite of love isn't hate.
    It's apathy
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    That's interesting about the

    thought that birth control pills will be banned. I read in another place that there is some pressure to make them

    available over the counter. That only makes sense as birth control pills have such a strong safety record. They are

    statistically far less dangerous than tylonol.

    I can't really see them ever being banned and am speculating

    that it was either some religious group spouting nonsense or somebody trying to stir up panicked indignation. All

    that will really happen if they are banned is a huge black market will spring up.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    but I'll find

    that email and paste it here.

    Personally, I think they should ban everything, we'd have a very robust

    economy.
    There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis View Post
    By the

    same token, this creates opportunities for those totally inappropriate "bad boys".

    If you date a woman who is

    pregnant or on the pill, you just have to realize you are probably getting into something time limited.

    You also

    have to know that if you "let" your girlfriend or wife get on the pill, you are exposing your relationship to

    possible stress, especially in the sexuality department. And it helps explain why pregnancy is often a difficult

    time for couples.

    This all certainly fits my personal experience, in both cases.

    Every woman and man should be

    taught this.

    Nice post, Bel. We've known this for a number of years, but it's nice to see another study

    supporting the conclusion.
    This explains a lot of what we've been "up against" for a long time as male

    partners in relationships with women, and I agree that men and women both should be aware of the pitfalls.

    Doc,

    could a parallel be drawn with men using steroids?

    It seems that messing with something as fundamental to

    behavior as hormones we're asking for trouble, or at least a more difficult situation.

    Could you think of

    hormonal manipulation as a lie? A chemical "lie" to your body which affects a physical cause, but also subtly (or

    obviously) affecting your behavior, albeit tangentially? Perhaps if women are physically and emotionally "tricked"

    into a non-mating behavior, they fall into the habit of not desiring men, emotionally or physically.

    I think

    there's a body of experiential evidence that could make a case for a trend toward "division" of the sexes in recent

    history. I don't think I need to expand on that. Of course a lot of it has to do with "enlightenment" (I Am

    Woman), but I wonder if there is some cause and effect going on. I'm clueless as always, but its interesting.



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    "It seems unbelievable,

    but the Bush Administration is quietly trying to redefine "abortion" to include birth control. The Houston Chronicle

    says this could wipe out dozens of state laws that protect women's reproductive freedom and protect rape victims.

    This "rule change" doesn't need congressional approval. "

    Well, it's not a religious organization but a

    political one,

    MoveOn.Org

    http://pol.moveon.org/contraception/...comment_pasteT
    There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!

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