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    Default *Pheros* Concentrate inquiry

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    Greetings.

    It's time to bottle more Pheros, and I am again taking all of your pulse to find out how

    many bottles of concentrate to include with the shipment.

    This will be the last shipment, and the last of the

    product, so I just want to get a feel for things.

    The concentrate is 7ml instead of the 18ml of the cologne, but

    contains exactly the same amount of ingredients except for the extra water.

    The full cologne version probably

    smells best, IMHO (past users of the concentrate might agree or disagree). The concentrate is designed to store

    better (away from heat, light, oxygen exposure, and impurities), thought there is no specific data to back up this

    hypothesis.

    You could add your own water to the concentrate with good results if you wanted. But the pure

    distilled water I'm going to add will be superior in that it's specially treated with some of the perfume before

    mixing ("prefixed"), theoretically adding to the life on your skin; as compared to adding your own water.

    What

    say ye all?
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    Is the Pheros concentrate

    meant to mixed with another cologne?
    If I'm the rubber and your the glue..then I'd probably get some, and you'd just be sticky

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    I may not be the best one to answer,

    as I am really conservative with Pheros. It's just too much of a "special occasion" thing for me. Almost "too

    good." I bought a bottle years ago shortly after I joined up here and I still have about 80% left, plus another

    bottle in reserve.

    However in general I will say I usually prefer "ready mixed and set to go" products over the

    concentrates.

    Plus I sorta want to get the product as the "artist" intended, "finished" (although I suspect no

    artist ever considers one of their works really ever finished). A concentrate almost makes me think of it as an

    "unfinished" kit. To extend the artist analogy, it's the difference between a hung gallery work and a paint by

    number. The original artist provides the outline and the paint, but it will lack that final "touch" from the soul.



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    Thats what I was wondering if

    there was any benefit to the concentrate over the regular version.

    I would think the version w/ water would be

    better since its ready to go and doesn't need further prep.

    I'd like to try either one. The reviews for it

    sound great. I haven't tried it yet just from the higher cost relative to other products. Although, if this is the

    last call for it then get it while its still there.
    If I'm the rubber and your the glue..then I'd probably get some, and you'd just be sticky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendragon View Post
    Thats

    what I was wondering if there was any benefit to the concentrate over the regular version.

    I would think the

    version w/ water would be better since its ready to go and doesn't need further prep.

    I'd like to try either

    one. The reviews for it sound great. I haven't tried it yet just from the higher cost relative to other products.

    Although, if this is the last call for it then get it while its still there.
    Of course, the fully mixed

    version is ready to go and easier to use. It is the version you should get if your only motive is to get some

    perfume.

    But if you want to save some away, my hypothesis is that the greater alcohol concentration in the

    concentrate (as opposed to adding the rest of the water), and the concentration itself; should preserve it longer.

    If you are buying more than one bottle, the concentrate might be a good option.

    You can always add your own

    distilled water (11ml water to make 18ml total) with good results. I assume that everyone who buys the concentrate

    would eventually dilute it, but there might be a collector or three among you who would wait indefinitely to dilute

    it. Oscar comes to mind.

    I will also be giving guidance on how to eyeball it approximately, for those who don't

    want to measure 11ml exactly.

    When I use Pheros, I always use it diluted to final strength. I do think it

    works best at that strength, and ratio of water to alcohol.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    I'll sign up for another bottle

    of concentrate Doc.

    Pendragon, the non-concentrate version is definitely easier to wear. Though its the same

    scent, its softer and more predictable than the concentrate. The constituents release more seamlessly, more like a

    commercial scent would.

    But if you're a hard-core perfumista, you need to get both versions. For me, the

    concentrate tells a story in chapters, with notes more readable individually.

    In no way is one version better

    than the other, just different wearability effects.

    I wear the concentrate when covering -mones, and the regular

    version on its own. I don't know why, just seems to work.

    My g/f loves Pheros, and wears it with the tiniest

    dab of Jasmine EO (thanks Doc). I like it too.


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    Im interested in getting a

    bottle of the regular (nonconcentrate) stuff.

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    Question

    What's the ETA date, Doc? I

    missed out on the last batch.
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    Mobes, you do NOT want to miss

    out this time. Pheros is a must have for your collection.

    Speaking of which, I just scored the coolest "pen"

    spray of real Black Code. Its an 8ml spray in a cylinder with a cap like a fountain pen. Just thought I'd make

    you jealous. You gotta get on ebay my friend.


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    I'll take one concentrate

    and a couple of the regular

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    Hey Mobes,

    I'm thinking

    within the next couple weeks. I've already started bottling, and have been working a while on the various tasks; so

    it won't be long.

    I'll let you all know when it gets closer to completion.

    Mobes, I bet Bruce would be happy

    to hold a bottle or two back for such a valuable forum member as yourself! What do you see yourself wanting?
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis View Post
    Hey

    Mobes,

    I'm thinking within the next couple weeks. I've already started bottling, and have been working a while

    on the various tasks; so it won't be long.

    I'll let you all know when it gets closer to completion.

    Mobes,

    I bet Bruce would be happy to hold a bottle or two back for such a valuable forum member as yourself! What do you

    see yourself wanting?
    If a couple of weeks means around the 5 of July ... I would have time to collect

    enough cans to purchase at least 3 of regular brew, Doc. Hope Bruce is in his GOOD mood.

    Being the

    last batch just doesn't sound right.

    Idesign ... have you no shame!?!? The only thing worse than a

    tease is a pretty tease!
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    I've got two bottles of the

    mixed and one of the full strength. If you haven't purchased some of one or the other you are missing out on a

    great product. Be sure you get it before it all runs out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis View Post
    Greetings.

    It's time to bottle more Pheros, and I am again taking all of your

    pulse to find out how many bottles of concentrate to include with the shipment.

    This will be the last shipment,

    and the last of the product, so I just want to get a feel for things.

    The concentrate is 7ml instead of the 18ml

    of the cologne, but contains exactly the same amount of ingredients except for the extra water.

    The full cologne

    version probably smells best, IMHO (past users of the concentrate might agree or disagree). The concentrate is

    designed to store better (away from heat, light, oxygen exposure, and impurities), thought there is no specific data

    to back up this hypothesis.

    You could add your own water to the concentrate with good results if you wanted. But

    the pure distilled water I'm going to add will be superior in that it's specially treated with some of the perfume

    before mixing ("prefixed"), theoretically adding to the life on your skin; as compared to adding your own

    water.

    What say ye all?
    Will you have larger sizes of the cologne available for sale as well (cheaper

    per ml then the smaller bottles)?

    Is the list of ingredients identical to the previous compilation?

    Many

    thanks.

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    Yes, of course; most of the

    bottles will be the larger, fully diluted size. (Actually the bottles themselves are the same size; just filled

    differently.)

    Ingredients are identical to the last bottled version.

    The only difference, I think, is that the

    maturity of the perfume continues to make the perfume more defined as to what it is. It makes a bit more sense to

    the nose with each bottling, IMHO.

    For example, in this version it is easier to detect the way the touch of pine

    and black spruce (a little known aphrodisiac and enhancer to sexual "kidney chi" in aromatherapy) notes add an extra

    dimension to the top end of the woody note.

    I also think the spice note is easier to understand, such as the bay

    rum note (also a well known traditional aphrodisiac, especially in occult traditions).

    The civet also seems more

    prominent; adding an animalistic edge to the top note, and pervading the entire accord.

    These changes result,

    essentially, from the extra time the concentrate sat in the heavy alcohol base; resulting in a bit more liberation

    of the top note. If I think of it, when I notice more developments, I'll post them. These are just off the top of

    my head.

    But the ingredients, again, are exactly the same.

    Bottom line: It's still Pheros, and is

    still pleasing to the nose.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    I'd like to sign up for two

    bottles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    I'd like to

    sign up for two bottles.
    I assume you are referring to the regular formulation?

    Remember, this thread is

    to get indications of interest for the concentrate. It is not necessary to "sign up for" or preorder the regular

    Pheros perfume.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    The concentrate, Doc.

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    Doc ... What's the prices for

    both going for this last trip around, or are they the same ... can you say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57 View Post
    Doc

    ... What's the prices for both going for this last trip around, or are they the same ... can you say?

    I know of no price changes at this time, but prices are set by Bruce. Sorry I can't be more

    specific.

    So it's looking like I should put at least ten bottles of concentrate in the shipment. Since it's a

    special interest item, I don't want to go short on the regular bottles.

    If anyone else wants to speak up about

    it, they should do it soon.

    It's a bit sad, to be honest, to see the supply run out.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    I'm

    planning to buy
    A Pheros bottle (or two
    Depending on price).

    I'll be going with the regular

    version. I don't really like messing with concentrates, simply because I don't have time for the trial and error

    that goes with them.

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    I'm honestly not sure if I will be

    ordering the concentrate as I still have at least 1.5 bottles of the "standard" mix. In fact I may not be ordering

    more Pheros at all as I like to hold it for special ocassions and there's no sense in me hoarding a supply when

    others should be benefiting from this wonderful product. I'm sure my heirs will not have a clue what to do with

    it... It's a secret that will go with me to the grave.

    In fact maybe I'll have what remains buried with me. Be

    the best smelling dude no matter which afterlife I end up in...
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    It does contain a lot of oud,

    which has been used traditionally to anoint the dead.

    It was reputed to have been used for that purpose on some

    guy named Jesus from Nazareth.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rbt View Post

    In fact

    maybe I'll have what remains buried with me. Be the best smelling dude no matter which afterlife I end up

    in...
    Whoever that after-person is, they'll compliment you on your good taste.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis View Post
    Yes,

    of course; most of the bottles will be the larger, fully diluted size. (Actually the bottles themselves are the same

    size; just filled differently.)

    Ingredients are identical to the last bottled version.

    The only difference, I

    think, is that the maturity of the perfume continues to make the perfume more defined as to what it is. It makes a

    bit more sense to the nose with each bottling, IMHO.

    For example, in this version it is easier to detect the way

    the touch of pine and black spruce (a little known aphrodisiac and enhancer to sexual "kidney chi" in aromatherapy)

    notes add an extra dimension to the top end of the woody note.

    I also think the spice note is easier to

    understand, such as the bay rum note (also a well known traditional aphrodisiac, especially in occult

    traditions).

    The civet also seems more prominent; adding an animalistic edge to the top note, and pervading the

    entire accord.

    These changes result, essentially, from the extra time the concentrate sat in the heavy alcohol

    base; resulting in a bit more liberation of the top note. If I think of it, when I notice more developments, I'll

    post them. These are just off the top of my head.

    But the ingredients, again, are exactly the same.

    Bottom

    line: It's still Pheros, and is still pleasing to the nose.


    As an end user I have to agree

    with Doc's assesment. I managed to acquire a "vintage" bottle of Pheros from a forum member, and

    also have some of the last-released batch. Its maturation is both obvious and pleasing. From your comment here Doc

    I can't wait to try the latest batch.

    Current perfumery trends tend toward "Light" versions of old products, to

    their discredit. Gone (or reformulated) are the deep, sultry animalic sexy scents of the 20's through the 50's.



    The 60's brought Patchouli, the 70's oriental overload, the 80's confusion. The 90's overreacted with

    chemical cleaners, a bright future with no soul.

    The millennia brought niche perfumery and perfume houses in

    abundance. Suddenly there was a scent for every perceived nuance, real or imaginary.

    The Big perfume houses hit

    or miss, subject to the tension between their accounting depts and the creativity of their hired noses.

    Niche

    perfumers have a better chance at creating a great perfume, but so many are subject to ego and thus triviality. A

    few good perfumers have left the big houses for creative freedom. Not all of them are good, a few are.

    The

    same holds true for natural perfumery. I've tried many of them, and most are not wearable. What they hope to

    accomplish in a perfume comes across mostly as an acceptable room spray.

    All that to say that we have a

    remarkable opportunity with Pheros. It bridges the gap between what modern perfumery has left empty

    and what classical perfumery once strived for: pure attraction.

    The fact that its formulated with natural

    constituents which are historically proven attractants is a bonus.

    As it matures, Pheros seems to

    be getting better, not lighter.

    Doc, I've always caught the pine and spruce blending nicely with the spice. Its

    a perfect transition from top to middle. You have to be very attentive to catch the civet, it works underground as

    it should. Pheros never ceases to amaze me.
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    I'd lean more towards the

    concentrate version being its the last run. Get as much of the base as possible since distilled water is going away

    soon.
    If I'm the rubber and your the glue..then I'd probably get some, and you'd just be sticky

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    If it's not too late ... I'm

    wanting ONE of the concentrated brews, too, Doc.

    Scary to know it's the last of the last. Might as well enjoy

    being one of the ONEs.

    Is there going to be a limit on how many of the regular brews one can purchase?
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    That would be a good question

    for Bruce, as I don't control what happens once it leaves my lab.

    He might be open to limiting the whole

    hoarding thing; I don't know. I doubt he's worried about selling the stuff in any case.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    I'd like a bottle of

    concentrate.

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57 View Post
    If it's

    not too late ... I'm wanting ONE of the concentrated brews, too, Doc.

    Scary to know it's the last of the last.

    Might as well enjoy being one of the ONEs.

    Is there going to be a limit on how many of the regular brews

    one can purchase?
    Bruuuuuuuuuuce. What's your thoughts, laws, rules on that?

    Doc ... do you

    have a close ETA on your vodoo brew? Anytime AFTER the 5th and I'd like to push my luck for getting TWO

    bottles
    of the concentrate.

    This Pheros GOING OUT OF BUSINESS sale has got me thinking too much!

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