Is the Pheros concentrate
meant to mixed with another cologne?
Greetings.
It's time to bottle more Pheros, and I am again taking all of your pulse to find out how
many bottles of concentrate to include with the shipment.
This will be the last shipment, and the last of the
product, so I just want to get a feel for things.
The concentrate is 7ml instead of the 18ml of the cologne, but
contains exactly the same amount of ingredients except for the extra water.
The full cologne version probably
smells best, IMHO (past users of the concentrate might agree or disagree). The concentrate is designed to store
better (away from heat, light, oxygen exposure, and impurities), thought there is no specific data to back up this
hypothesis.
You could add your own water to the concentrate with good results if you wanted. But the pure
distilled water I'm going to add will be superior in that it's specially treated with some of the perfume before
mixing ("prefixed"), theoretically adding to the life on your skin; as compared to adding your own water.
What
say ye all?
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Is the Pheros concentrate
meant to mixed with another cologne?
If I'm the rubber and your the glue..then I'd probably get some, and you'd just be sticky
I may not be the best one to answer,
as I am really conservative with Pheros. It's just too much of a "special occasion" thing for me. Almost "too
good." I bought a bottle years ago shortly after I joined up here and I still have about 80% left, plus another
bottle in reserve.
However in general I will say I usually prefer "ready mixed and set to go" products over the
concentrates.
Plus I sorta want to get the product as the "artist" intended, "finished" (although I suspect no
artist ever considers one of their works really ever finished). A concentrate almost makes me think of it as an
"unfinished" kit. To extend the artist analogy, it's the difference between a hung gallery work and a paint by
number. The original artist provides the outline and the paint, but it will lack that final "touch" from the soul.
(Gawd am I being "heavy" today or what?)
The opposite of love isn't hate.
It's apathy.
Thats what I was wondering if
there was any benefit to the concentrate over the regular version.
I would think the version w/ water would be
better since its ready to go and doesn't need further prep.
I'd like to try either one. The reviews for it
sound great. I haven't tried it yet just from the higher cost relative to other products. Although, if this is the
last call for it then get it while its still there.
If I'm the rubber and your the glue..then I'd probably get some, and you'd just be sticky
Of course, the fully mixed
version is ready to go and easier to use. It is the version you should get if your only motive is to get some
perfume.
But if you want to save some away, my hypothesis is that the greater alcohol concentration in the
concentrate (as opposed to adding the rest of the water), and the concentration itself; should preserve it longer.
If you are buying more than one bottle, the concentrate might be a good option.
You can always add your own
distilled water (11ml water to make 18ml total) with good results. I assume that everyone who buys the concentrate
would eventually dilute it, but there might be a collector or three among you who would wait indefinitely to dilute
it. Oscar comes to mind.
I will also be giving guidance on how to eyeball it approximately, for those who don't
want to measure 11ml exactly.
When I use Pheros, I always use it diluted to final strength. I do think it
works best at that strength, and ratio of water to alcohol.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
I'll sign up for another bottle
of concentrate Doc.
Pendragon, the non-concentrate version is definitely easier to wear. Though its the same
scent, its softer and more predictable than the concentrate. The constituents release more seamlessly, more like a
commercial scent would.
But if you're a hard-core perfumista, you need to get both versions. For me, the
concentrate tells a story in chapters, with notes more readable individually.
In no way is one version better
than the other, just different wearability effects.
I wear the concentrate when covering -mones, and the regular
version on its own. I don't know why, just seems to work.
My g/f loves Pheros, and wears it with the tiniest
dab of Jasmine EO (thanks Doc). I like it too.
Im interested in getting a
bottle of the regular (nonconcentrate) stuff.
What's the ETA date, Doc? I
missed out on the last batch.
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
Mobes, you do NOT want to miss
out this time. Pheros is a must have for your collection.
Speaking of which, I just scored the coolest "pen"
spray of real Black Code. Its an 8ml spray in a cylinder with a cap like a fountain pen. Just thought I'd make
you jealous. You gotta get on ebay my friend.
I'll take one concentrate
and a couple of the regular
Hey Mobes,
I'm thinking
within the next couple weeks. I've already started bottling, and have been working a while on the various tasks; so
it won't be long.
I'll let you all know when it gets closer to completion.
Mobes, I bet Bruce would be happy
to hold a bottle or two back for such a valuable forum member as yourself! What do you see yourself wanting?
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
If a couple of weeks means around the 5 of July ... I would have time to collect
enough cans to purchase at least 3 of regular brew, Doc. Hope Bruce is in his GOOD mood.
Being the
last batch just doesn't sound right.
Idesign ... have you no shame!?!? The only thing worse than a
tease is a pretty tease!
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
I've got two bottles of the
mixed and one of the full strength. If you haven't purchased some of one or the other you are missing out on a
great product. Be sure you get it before it all runs out.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Yes, of course; most of the
bottles will be the larger, fully diluted size. (Actually the bottles themselves are the same size; just filled
differently.)
Ingredients are identical to the last bottled version.
The only difference, I think, is that the
maturity of the perfume continues to make the perfume more defined as to what it is. It makes a bit more sense to
the nose with each bottling, IMHO.
For example, in this version it is easier to detect the way the touch of pine
and black spruce (a little known aphrodisiac and enhancer to sexual "kidney chi" in aromatherapy) notes add an extra
dimension to the top end of the woody note.
I also think the spice note is easier to understand, such as the bay
rum note (also a well known traditional aphrodisiac, especially in occult traditions).
The civet also seems more
prominent; adding an animalistic edge to the top note, and pervading the entire accord.
These changes result,
essentially, from the extra time the concentrate sat in the heavy alcohol base; resulting in a bit more liberation
of the top note. If I think of it, when I notice more developments, I'll post them. These are just off the top of
my head.
But the ingredients, again, are exactly the same.
Bottom line: It's still Pheros, and is
still pleasing to the nose.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
I'd like to sign up for two
bottles.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
The concentrate, Doc.
Doc ... What's the prices for
both going for this last trip around, or are they the same ... can you say?
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
I know of no price changes at this time, but prices are set by Bruce. Sorry I can't be more
specific.
So it's looking like I should put at least ten bottles of concentrate in the shipment. Since it's a
special interest item, I don't want to go short on the regular bottles.
If anyone else wants to speak up about
it, they should do it soon.
It's a bit sad, to be honest, to see the supply run out.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
I'm
planning to buy
A Pheros bottle (or two
Depending on price).
I'll be going with the regular
version. I don't really like messing with concentrates, simply because I don't have time for the trial and error
that goes with them.
I'm honestly not sure if I will be
ordering the concentrate as I still have at least 1.5 bottles of the "standard" mix. In fact I may not be ordering
more Pheros at all as I like to hold it for special ocassions and there's no sense in me hoarding a supply when
others should be benefiting from this wonderful product. I'm sure my heirs will not have a clue what to do with
it... It's a secret that will go with me to the grave.
In fact maybe I'll have what remains buried with me. Be
the best smelling dude no matter which afterlife I end up in...
The opposite of love isn't hate.
It's apathy.
It does contain a lot of oud,
which has been used traditionally to anoint the dead.
It was reputed to have been used for that purpose on some
guy named Jesus from Nazareth.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
As an end user I have to agree
with Doc's assesment. I managed to acquire a "vintage" bottle of Pheros from a forum member, and
also have some of the last-released batch. Its maturation is both obvious and pleasing. From your comment here Doc
I can't wait to try the latest batch.
Current perfumery trends tend toward "Light" versions of old products, to
their discredit. Gone (or reformulated) are the deep, sultry animalic sexy scents of the 20's through the 50's.
The 60's brought Patchouli, the 70's oriental overload, the 80's confusion. The 90's overreacted with
chemical cleaners, a bright future with no soul.
The millennia brought niche perfumery and perfume houses in
abundance. Suddenly there was a scent for every perceived nuance, real or imaginary.
The Big perfume houses hit
or miss, subject to the tension between their accounting depts and the creativity of their hired noses.
Niche
perfumers have a better chance at creating a great perfume, but so many are subject to ego and thus triviality. A
few good perfumers have left the big houses for creative freedom. Not all of them are good, a few are.
The
same holds true for natural perfumery. I've tried many of them, and most are not wearable. What they hope to
accomplish in a perfume comes across mostly as an acceptable room spray.
All that to say that we have a
remarkable opportunity with Pheros. It bridges the gap between what modern perfumery has left empty
and what classical perfumery once strived for: pure attraction.
The fact that its formulated with natural
constituents which are historically proven attractants is a bonus.
As it matures, Pheros seems to
be getting better, not lighter.
Doc, I've always caught the pine and spruce blending nicely with the spice. Its
a perfect transition from top to middle. You have to be very attentive to catch the civet, it works underground as
it should. Pheros never ceases to amaze me.
Last edited by idesign; 06-29-2008 at 05:37 PM. Reason: the right word
I'd lean more towards the
concentrate version being its the last run. Get as much of the base as possible since distilled water is going away
soon.
If I'm the rubber and your the glue..then I'd probably get some, and you'd just be sticky
If it's not too late ... I'm
wanting ONE of the concentrated brews, too, Doc.
Scary to know it's the last of the last. Might as well enjoy
being one of the ONEs.
Is there going to be a limit on how many of the regular brews one can purchase?
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
That would be a good question
for Bruce, as I don't control what happens once it leaves my lab.
He might be open to limiting the whole
hoarding thing; I don't know. I doubt he's worried about selling the stuff in any case.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
I'd like a bottle of
concentrate.
Thanks,
____________________________________________
Gone with the Wind
Gate, gate, paragate, parasamgate. Bodhi svaha!
Bruuuuuuuuuuce. What's your thoughts, laws, rules on that?
Doc ... do you
have a close ETA on your vodoo brew? Anytime AFTER the 5th and I'd like to push my luck for getting TWO
bottles of the concentrate.
This Pheros GOING OUT OF BUSINESS sale has got me thinking too much!
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
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