*Pheros* Concentrate inquiry

[DrSmellThis]

Greetings.

It's time to bottle more Pheros, and I am again taking all of your pulse to find out how

many bottles of concentrate to include with the shipment.

This will be the last shipment, and the last of the

product, so I just want to get a feel for things.

The concentrate is 7ml instead of the 18ml of the cologne, but

contains exactly the same amount of ingredients except for the extra water.

The full cologne version probably

smells best, IMHO (past users of the concentrate might agree or disagree). The concentrate is designed to store

better (away from heat, light, oxygen exposure, and impurities), thought there is no specific data to back up this

hypothesis.

You could add your own water to the concentrate with good results if you wanted. But the pure

distilled water I'm going to add will be superior in that it's specially treated with some of the perfume before

mixing ("prefixed"), theoretically adding to the life on your skin; as compared to adding your own water.

What

say ye all?

[Pendragon]

Is the Pheros concentrate

meant to mixed with another cologne?

[Rbt]

I may not be the best one to answer,

as I am really conservative with Pheros. It's just too much of a "special occasion" thing for me. Almost "too

good." I bought a bottle years ago shortly after I joined up here and I still have about 80% left, plus another

bottle in reserve.

However in general I will say I usually prefer "ready mixed and set to go" products over the

concentrates.

Plus I sorta want to get the product as the "artist" intended, "finished" (although I suspect no

artist ever considers one of their works really ever finished). A concentrate almost makes me think of it as an

"unfinished" kit. To extend the artist analogy, it's the difference between a hung gallery work and a paint by

number. The original artist provides the outline and the paint, but it will lack that final "touch" from the soul.



(Gawd am I being "heavy" today or what?)

[Pendragon]

Thats what I was wondering if

there was any benefit to the concentrate over the regular version.

I would think the version w/ water would be

better since its ready to go and doesn't need further prep.

I'd like to try either one. The reviews for it

sound great. I haven't tried it yet just from the higher cost relative to other products. Although, if this is the

last call for it then get it while its still there.

[DrSmellThis]

Thats

what I was wondering if there was any benefit to the concentrate over the regular version.

I would think the

version w/ water would be better since its ready to go and doesn't need further prep.

I'd like to try either

one. The reviews for it sound great. I haven't tried it yet just from the higher cost relative to other products.

Although, if this is the last call for it then get it while its still there.

Of course, the fully mixed

version is ready to go and easier to use. It is the version you should get if your only motive is to get some

perfume.

But if you want to save some away, my hypothesis is that the greater alcohol concentration in the

concentrate (as opposed to adding the rest of the water), and the concentration itself; should preserve it longer.

If you are buying more than one bottle, the concentrate might be a good option.

You can always add your own

distilled water (11ml water to make 18ml total) with good results. I assume that everyone who buys the concentrate

would eventually dilute it, but there might be a collector or three among you who would wait indefinitely to dilute

it. Oscar comes to mind.

I will also be giving guidance on how to eyeball it approximately, for those who don't

want to measure 11ml exactly.

When I use Pheros, I always use it diluted to final strength. I do think it

works best at that strength, and ratio of water to alcohol.

[idesign]

I'll sign up for another bottle

of concentrate Doc.

Pendragon, the non-concentrate version is definitely easier to wear. Though its the same

scent, its softer and more predictable than the concentrate. The constituents release more seamlessly, more like a

commercial scent would.

But if you're a hard-core perfumista, you need to get both versions. For me, the

concentrate tells a story in chapters, with notes more readable individually.

In no way is one version better

than the other, just different wearability effects.

I wear the concentrate when covering -mones, and the regular

version on its own. I don't know why, just seems to work.

My g/f loves Pheros, and wears it with the tiniest

dab of Jasmine EO (thanks Doc). I like it too.

[that1guy]

Im interested in getting a

bottle of the regular (nonconcentrate) stuff.

[Diverdown]

Greetings.

It's time to bottle more Pheros, and I am again taking all of your

pulse to find out how many bottles of concentrate to include with the shipment.

This will be the last shipment,

and the last of the product, so I just want to get a feel for things.

The concentrate is 7ml instead of the 18ml

of the cologne, but contains exactly the same amount of ingredients except for the extra water.

The full cologne

version probably smells best, IMHO (past users of the concentrate might agree or disagree). The concentrate is

designed to store better (away from heat, light, oxygen exposure, and impurities), thought there is no specific data

to back up this hypothesis.

You could add your own water to the concentrate with good results if you wanted. But

the pure distilled water I'm going to add will be superior in that it's specially treated with some of the perfume

before mixing ("prefixed"), theoretically adding to the life on your skin; as compared to adding your own

water.

What say ye all?

Will you have larger sizes of the cologne available for sale as well (cheaper

per ml then the smaller bottles)?

Is the list of ingredients identical to the previous compilation?

Many

thanks.

[DrSmellThis]

Yes, of course; most of the

bottles will be the larger, fully diluted size. (Actually the bottles themselves are the same size; just filled

differently.)

Ingredients are identical to the last bottled version.

The only difference, I think, is that the

maturity of the perfume continues to make the perfume more defined as to what it is. It makes a bit more sense to

the nose with each bottling, IMHO.

For example, in this version it is easier to detect the way the touch of pine

and black spruce (a little known aphrodisiac and enhancer to sexual "kidney chi" in aromatherapy) notes add an extra

dimension to the top end of the woody note.

I also think the spice note is easier to understand, such as the bay

rum note (also a well known traditional aphrodisiac, especially in occult traditions).

The civet also seems more

prominent; adding an animalistic edge to the top note, and pervading the entire accord.

These changes result,

essentially, from the extra time the concentrate sat in the heavy alcohol base; resulting in a bit more liberation

of the top note. If I think of it, when I notice more developments, I'll post them. These are just off the top of

my head.

But the ingredients, again, are exactly the same.

Bottom line: It's still Pheros, and is

still pleasing to the nose.

[Kev]

I'd like to sign up for two

bottles.

[DrSmellThis]

I'd like to

sign up for two bottles.

I assume you are referring to the regular formulation?

Remember, this thread is

to get indications of interest for the concentrate. It is not necessary to "sign up for" or preorder the regular

Pheros perfume.

[Kev]

The concentrate, Doc.

[idesign]

Yes,

of course; most of the bottles will be the larger, fully diluted size. (Actually the bottles themselves are the same

size; just filled differently.)

Ingredients are identical to the last bottled version.

The only difference, I

think, is that the maturity of the perfume continues to make the perfume more defined as to what it is. It makes a

bit more sense to the nose with each bottling, IMHO.

For example, in this version it is easier to detect the way

the touch of pine and black spruce (a little known aphrodisiac and enhancer to sexual "kidney chi" in aromatherapy)

notes add an extra dimension to the top end of the woody note.

I also think the spice note is easier to

understand, such as the bay rum note (also a well known traditional aphrodisiac, especially in occult

traditions).

The civet also seems more prominent; adding an animalistic edge to the top note, and pervading the

entire accord.

These changes result, essentially, from the extra time the concentrate sat in the heavy alcohol

base; resulting in a bit more liberation of the top note. If I think of it, when I notice more developments, I'll

post them. These are just off the top of my head.

But the ingredients, again, are exactly the same.

Bottom

line: It's still Pheros, and is still pleasing to the nose.

As an end user I have to agree

with Doc's assesment. I managed to acquire a "vintage" bottle of Pheros from a forum member, and

also have some of the last-released batch. Its maturation is both obvious and pleasing. From your comment here Doc

I can't wait to try the latest batch.

Current perfumery trends tend toward "Light" versions of old products, to

their discredit. Gone (or reformulated) are the deep, sultry animalic sexy scents of the 20's through the 50's.



The 60's brought Patchouli, the 70's oriental overload, the 80's confusion. The 90's overreacted with

chemical cleaners, a bright future with no soul.

The millennia brought niche perfumery and perfume houses in

abundance. Suddenly there was a scent for every perceived nuance, real or imaginary.

The Big perfume houses hit

or miss, subject to the tension between their accounting depts and the creativity of their hired noses.

Niche

perfumers have a better chance at creating a great perfume, but so many are subject to ego and thus triviality. A

few good perfumers have left the big houses for creative freedom. Not all of them are good, a few are.

The

same holds true for natural perfumery. I've tried many of them, and most are not wearable. What they hope to

accomplish in a perfume comes across mostly as an acceptable room spray.

All that to say that we have a

remarkable opportunity with Pheros. It bridges the gap between what modern perfumery has left empty

and what classical perfumery once strived for: pure attraction.

The fact that its formulated with natural

constituents which are historically proven attractants is a bonus.

As it matures, Pheros seems to

be getting better, not lighter.

Doc, I've always caught the pine and spruce blending nicely with the spice. Its

a perfect transition from top to middle. You have to be very attentive to catch the civet, it works underground as

it should. Pheros never ceases to amaze me.

[Pendragon]

I'd lean more towards the

concentrate version being its the last run. Get as much of the base as possible since distilled water is going away

soon.

[MOBLEYC57]

If it's not too late ... I'm

wanting ONE of the concentrated brews, too, Doc.

Scary to know it's the last of the last. Might as well enjoy

being one of the ONEs.

Is there going to be a limit on how many of the regular brews one can purchase?

[Rbt]

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Niche perfumers have a better chance at creating a great perfume, but so many are subject to ego and thus

triviality. A few good perfumers have left the big houses for creative freedom. Not all of them are good, a few are.



The same holds true for natural perfumery. I've tried many of them, and most are not wearable. What they hope

to accomplish in a perfume comes across mostly as an acceptable room spray.

All that to say that we have a

remarkable opportunity with Pheros. It bridges the gap between what modern perfumery has left empty

and what classical perfumery once strived for: pure attraction.

The fact that its formulated with natural

constituents which are historically proven attractants is a bonus.
...

Quick comment:

One of

the few sources I now use for personal fragrances is a place whose initials are LP(Magical)P (not sure if I should

name names). The concoctions are considered "potions" and as far as I know are what would be considered "natural"

(they seem to be primarily essential oil blends). Far better than most any commercial product I've tried (we are

excluding Pheros here...) in many cases. The only real problem I have is that one of my "scent test" subjects keep

telling me many remind her of the scent of bath soap(s).

[belgareth]

If it is not a competitor of LS

and you are not attempting to market for your benefit, we have no problem with you posting a link. If it is a

competitor, you can still mention the name. Another forum is often mentioned here with no adverse effect so long as

you don't use this forum to sell their products or slander them. Why not an innocent, independent and unrelated

retailer of non-competitive products?

[idesign]

Sure Rbt, you can name names and

even provide a link as long as its not a site that sells human pheromone products.

Yes, that's the gist of so

many natural perfume products. A lot of them smell awfully nice, but its excruciatingly difficult to create a real

perfume from only natural materials.

For over a hundred years our noses have been trained to accept certain

chemical additions to perfume. That's not necessarily a bad thing. One sniff of an early Guerlain or Patou

perfume on a woman and you'll know what I mean.

The problem has come in the last decade or two when costs and

regulations began to prohibit the use of certain raw materials. The result is more chemical than acceptable.

The

constituent scents of raw materials have been isolated into molecular shadows of the real thing. A rose is no

longer a rose, but the formulation of the idea of a rose. That's what we've been trained to know and

expect.

When you use a natural Rose, the memory of a garden filled with complex and intoxicating urges triggers

something different from the substitute, which is "prettier".

To your point (finally), a modern nose reads this a

"soap". The scents used in the natural perfume are not artfully or skillfully blended. What comes across is is not

perfume, which is much more than the sum of its parts. I don't mean this as a negative criticism of your mentioned

product, since I've not smelled it. I only point out what I've experienced with naturally formulated

scents.

That's one of the things which makes Pheros so special. Its good, very good.