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    Default Old Scent Of Eros

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    I've got a little

    bit of Scent Of Eros that's been sitting in my drawer for about 3 years now. Could it be the nol in it has

    converted to none after so long?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numanoid View Post
    I've got a little bit of Scent Of Eros that's been sitting in my drawer for about 3

    years
    now. Could it be the nol in it has converted to none after so long?
    I recon if it has been kept airtight it should be in original condition, especially if it has had

    little use.


    If it has been used as a rollon for many applications previously then there is a chance it may

    have become contaminated by skin sweat or bacterial residues.

    Otherwise give it a smell test see if ya can detect any aNONE smell, that is if ya have the nose

    to detect aNONE.

    If it hasn't had any conversion it should

    smell pleasant and non offensive initially, and after 10 minutes or so you should not notice any smell if it is an

    unscented version., or if scented then just a slightly pleasant fragrance.
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    Terry's probably right about

    the storage issue. If its been in your drawer it should be OK.

    I think, but could be wrong, that the -nol to

    -none conversion happens on skin where there is a biological process with skin chemistry, which should not happen in

    a bottle.

    Like Terry said, give it a sniff. Its not scientific but will give you a clue. Does is smell like

    SoE? Or NPA/TE...


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    Just something i picked up in the cookbook.
    Confirms Idesigns comments.
    -nol to -none conversion

    There have been a

    lot of discussions in the forum about this issue... The truth is that the conversion from -nol to -none does happen,

    but it won't be a big issue for -nol products users.

    Androstenol (which is a

    secondary alcohol) differs from

    androstenone (which is

    a ketone) because of two hydrogen atoms that the latter lacks: these can be converted to water if an adequate

    catalyst is present. The chemical reaction would be as follows:

    C19H30O

    (androstenol) +

    (oxygen) = C19H28O

    (androstenone) +

    H2O

    Luckily, in the usual wearing conditions, there isn't a catalyst strong enough to make this reaction happen

    fast, so the -nol will anyway convert to -none since it's exposed to oxidation, but it's going to happen very

    slowly. To get the idea SoE, which contains -nol, is reported to first show signs of -none alteration only after 8

    hours from first application.
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    I doubt the carrier in SoE

    would be a good environment for bacterial growth. It seems very likely that there has been little if any

    conversion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terry0400-40 View Post
    Just something i picked up in the

    cookbook.

    Confirms Idesigns comments.
    -nol to

    -none conversion

    There have been a lot of discussions in the forum about this issue... The truth is that the

    conversion from -nol to -none does happen, but it won't be a big issue for -nol products users.

    Androstenol (which is a

    secondary alcohol) differs from

    androstenone (which is

    a ketone) because of two hydrogen atoms that the latter lacks: these can be converted to water if an adequate

    catalyst is present. The chemical reaction would be as follows:

    C19H30O

    (androstenol) +

    (oxygen) = C19H28O

    (androstenone) +

    H2O

    Luckily, in the usual wearing conditions, there isn't a catalyst strong enough to make this reaction happen

    fast, so the -nol will anyway convert to -none since it's exposed to oxidation, but it's going to happen very

    slowly. To get the idea SoE, which contains -nol, is reported to first show signs of -none alteration only after 8

    hours from first application.
    If this is correct, then all you have to worry about is build-up, which I

    can't imagine being too much of a problem since diffusion occurs simultaneously with the conversion.

    Not a bad

    idea to keep build-up in mind though.

    Thanks for the research Terry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by idesign View Post
    If

    this is correct, then all you have to worry about is build-up, which I can't imagine being too much of a problem

    since diffusion occurs simultaneously with the conversion.

    Not a bad idea to keep build-up in mind though.



    Thanks for the research Terry.
    It was revealed to me when i read a reply

    to a thread called "For everyone !!! " Mountain Jim did post a reply with instructions "click here" or something

    similar if i recall,

    So i am not quite as smart as ya think i am,

    te he. PS now im really cooking
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    Maybe that is why it is better to

    use an eye drop bottles instead of the roll on bottles. It keeps the product fresh & clean & away from the skin

    applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy101 View Post
    Maybe

    that is why it is better to use an eye drop bottles instead of the roll on bottles. It keeps the product fresh &

    clean & away from the skin applications.
    Maby there is some truth also in the

    assunption of Belgareth when he states :- Quote
    "I doubt the carrier in SoE would be a good environment for

    bacterial growth. It seems very likely that there has been little if any conversion." Unquote.

    However whenever

    i use it as a roll on i roll the amount needed on to a clean fingertip and then transfer it to the chosen

    application area, this way i also judge the correct amount i have chosen to use.
    Even though most of my

    applications have been via a glass pheromone dropper and then transfered into a chosen mix with added aNONE and

    choice of cologne ect.
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