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    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/28/....ap/index.html


    Figured we'd get an interesting

    comment or two. Cases like this have been in the news in Oregon for a while here recently (lots of "renegade" types

    live up here).
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    Now, there is a tough one. Did

    the parents have the obligation to go against thier religious beliefs? Does the state have the right to charge them

    with a crime when they were simply doing what their beliefs demanded?
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    This is sad and disappointing.

    I don't think having faith requires checking your brains at the door.


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    it's not a tough call for

    me at all. "The Lord helps those who help themselves".

    Should we suppose that when the car(s) of these

    parents breaks down that instead of taking it to a mechanic that they pray over it?
    There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!

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    You know I do not believe in

    religion but it is tough call for me. Under the constitution they have the right to practice their religion. If it

    includes vodoo dolls and magic chants, it is still their right to practice. Just because I believe in science does

    not mean that everybody else does or should.

    It saddens me that an innocent child died on the alter of

    religious belief but I have to ask how many others have died the same way? And where should the line be drawn?
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    To me its pretty obvious that

    the welfare of a child should be paramount. Like you say, they're innocent. Religion, and the "free practice

    thereof" should not allow such a thing to happen.

    There must be some case law on this, but I've not seen or

    heard anything in the media. It must fall under child endangerment or something, with religious belief not

    allowable as a defense.

    Anyway, the offending parents are being prosecuted, so there must be some

    exclusion.

    IMO, the parents were just stupid. There are plenty of smart people who believe God can, and does

    heal "miraculously". Those same people will not presume upon God that he automatically will do such, just for the

    asking. Until God acts, its incumbent on each person to do what they know can be done in their own strength,

    including driving to the doctor's office.


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    Fomr my perspective, I

    completely agree. I would take my child to see a doctor. That doesn't mean that I can enforce that on another, as

    much as I hate seeing a child hurt. They believe what they believe and I have no right to judge them on it.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

    Thomas Jefferson

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