30 inches? really? that sounds
awefully high. Although I guess it's not easy to OD on SOE, so it's worth giving a shot.
What about 30" SOE and 1 drop Alpha 7 ?
This is a very consistant mix for me once it has settled down works
wonders.
I,also get excellent results with Alpha 314 x 2 drops and 1 drop Alpha 7, Soon after i instigate
conversation they are as good as hooked.
The reason i begun
instigating conversation in the first place was because with the Alpha mixes applied i was getting a lot of
lingering looks from chicks who were looking for something to do.
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30 inches? really? that sounds
awefully high. Although I guess it's not easy to OD on SOE, so it's worth giving a shot.
Do give it a shot, but I'd
increase in increments of maybe a few inches at a time. If its a social situation, try an extra dab of A7, and make
sure its on exposed skin, spread around as much as you can.
A little more specifics. I've
joined a kickball league with several cuties on it that I'd like to date(one, all, or any mix thereof, lol). Beer
drinking is an integral part of the game, as is bbq and more drinking after the games. However, it's not close
quarters like at a bar, and it's open air, so there might be more dilution of the mones in the air.
Next game
is tomorrow, I'll give 20 inches a try with a dab and a half of A7.
Thanks guys, this probably deserves it's
own topic, as it's quite a digression from the one listed.
Don't worry about the
digression. While its not encouraged, most threads go off on tangents after the first few posts. If the original
poster desires he can bring it back to topic.
That info helps Gm. Open air disperses and sweating increases the
rate. I hope you're covering.
I would try to casually be near your target(s), say standing around
drinking or eating. Sit next to her or just hang around.
OTOH, you could just pick your favorite and ask her
out! Then you can dial in the -mones better.
Thanks.
Already got numbers
for the two favorites. Kind of want to get to know them a little before I ask em out though, hate to have to ditch
em and then play kickball with em for 6 weeks, lol.
You dawg! Good strategy though.
You'd hate to piss one of them off and have them re-invent the game "kick ball". I assume you might like to have
children some day.
Once you get 'em alone let us know how things work... wait, no, that's not what I meant.
Let us know how your -mone strategy goes. Whew! that was a close one.
Yeah it sound a lot does 30" but in fact it contains the same amount
of pheromone as does one SOE gel/pkt.
And while 1/2 a gel pkt may be Ok for an intimate dinner date or as a pre bed
application, I would strongly suggest either 30" or a full SOE g/p at least, for outdoor activities, nightclubs, and
social settings that cover large areas, Also you can be confident that you will get a really good 5 hour window of
effective action .
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Verolabs recommend 1-2 sprays on your shirt. They also
mention the spray has a time release effect? Suggesting that it'll last "approximately 2-4 hours however result may
vary". Not sure what mechanism the time release effect uses, but the only stated ingredients are Purified water, SD
Alcohol and Oxytocin. Unless refering to the rate at which the SD Alcohol evaporates? Verolab do state LT uses an
"odorless atmosphere enhancing spray". Notice they offer a 1oz bottle for $49.99 now too.
Is there any worth
in keeping LT refrigerated or is it stable at room temperature? For example, one reference suggests the injectable
Oxytocin is only good for 30 days, unless refrigerated. While another reference states nasal Oxytocin can be stored
at room tempetature.
Edit: there is a
PPT file which
reports:
30°C - 10-12% degradation over 12 months
21°C - 3-5% over 24 months
5°C -
stable for 60 months.
Includes some Pharmaceutical company storage guidelines, recommending 2-8°C for
2-3yrs, 30 days at 15-25°C. Another suggested also 2-8°C, but allows 30°C for 3 months. Also
mentioned is the biological half-life of Oxytocin is five minutes, which would suggest the effects wear off quickly
when exposure stops. Which might be a double-edged sword. Bad if LT doesn't last that long on the wearer, but good
that the benefits will be more localized to only the wearer and not carry over to someone else?
Last edited by Teak; 06-08-2008 at 01:55 PM.
Nice research info Teak,
thanks.
I wonder about the discrepancy between their claim of lasting 2-4 hours and the "biological half-life of
five minutes". Several reports here seem to indicated that the effects are short lived. Not to worry. If we know
a product's qualities we can adapt a strategy to accommodate.
I think you're right to use LT with a very
specific target in mind, and plan your application timing carefully.
I store my pheromones and fragrances both in
a generally cool (ambient) room, out of direct sunlight. Its my understanding that sunlight is worse than heat.
The Int'l Perfume Museum stores their collection at 10C. I'm not that careful, or think I need to be.
I would guess that even with it's
very short biological half-life, as long as there is still some Oxytocin being released it doesn't matter as it
will be continually renewed. Just that once there is no more Oxytocin, the effects will not linger for very long.
The 2-4hrs quoted might refer to how long it takes for all of the Oxytocin on the wearer to be dispersed into the
surrounding air via alcohol evaporation? Maybe after 30min the concentration is just too weak for real-world
situations or loses it's efficiency in dispersing the Oxytocin into the air?
Alcohol certainly doesn't last
2 - 4 hours, maybe 2 minutes. It would have to be how quickly it disperses after the alcohol evaporates and leaves
the oxytocin on the application area. My guess is that it's just not a very stable pheromone to begin with, hence
not a very long lasting product.
With being up close and personal then 4 sprays workes like a charm for me for the first 1/2 an hour
after application then seems to drop off at a very fast rate,
I
got the 30 mL size and it has been stored in the refrigerator for over a year but it still works as effective as
when first tested.
I found 4 sprays to the shirt front at chest
level worked best, and i usually spray it on immediatelly before the important meeting ect,
Due to the fact that it fast becomes useless. But in the first
1/2 an hour it produces some amazing results.
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Here's a thought. Has anyone
tried covering LT with a gel like Perception or SOE to see if that would slow the alcohol evaporation of the LT?
If I'm the rubber and your the glue..then I'd probably get some, and you'd just be sticky
That would be a good idea
for when it is used in a close contact situation.
And i would
suggesr that when used in a larger area, the rate of dispersion of the LT could be inhibited to a degree by the
Perception application so as not to obtain the maximum possable effects of the LT.
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That may or may not be true
Terry, I'm not sure.
The active -mone ingredient (molecule) may have a very low molecular weight, thus
disbursing very quickly when exposed to the environment, irrespective of the carrier.
I reserve the right to be
wrong, and would love to hear from someone who's versed in chemistry on this point.
The question of "fixing"
pheromones came up in another thread, and I don't remember any replies.
Perception was designed with
the idea of reducing dispersion and when I tested it seemed to do the trick. Since I couldn't really tell if the
pheromones were still there I used a cover scent as a proxy and it seemed to make the scent last up to twice as
long.
When I apply mones now I always apply the heavy oil cover scents over the mones in the hope that the oils
will slow dispersion. No solid evidence if it works or not.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Many forum members here probably recall that i did not have much luck when using up 80mL of
3rd generation Pheromone product.
I have about 40 mL of this AQ
varient left and have never been able to notice any perceivable results either pos or neg regardless of the
application amounts tested.
The product has to be shaken up
before use as there is some separation of the substance evident as that is just the nature and structure of the
product.
The one positive aspect i can attribute to the AQ 3rd
generation product is that it has a very unique ability to enhanse and to slow down as well as amplify any fragrance
or pheromone mix that it is mixed with and it really gets mixes working well.
But as a product used alone i have not seen any effects after all this time that has passed, i am
sorry to say.
Perception i find actually does work to a
degree and also enhances other mones,
When used alone i have
noticed it get a tad stinky after sevaral hours.
But as Greg has pointed out the subject of fixitives and
dispersants used in pheromone products,
This is interesting,and i
find that they probably play just as an important role as the pheromones themselves, and would probably hold the
keys of success or failure of a products viability in many respects.
So a worthy project to immerse one self in the study thereof i would suggest, erum time
permitting.
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That's a great example of the
difference between people. The 3G works very well for me and and a few others. I get constant hits from it. But if I
wore the amount of -none you wear it would end up in people running away screaming or people wanting to start fights
with me. I can only wear very small amounts of -none and even then have to buffer it well with nol.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Bel, its amazing how these
products work. Not only do different products work with different people, but some products will provide great
results but then no results at other times. I have a handfull of products that I can count on, and the ones I use
the most are AQ/3G, A7 and SoE. Others products are good, but these have given consistent results. I still use C7,
TE, etc, but only as a diversion.
Terry, I noticed the same thing about 3G amplifying other -mones. In fact,
I've worn it alone with only moderate success. When I mix it with A7 its amazing. Mixed with SoE I seem to
attract the world.
What's 3g? I don't see it on
the product list.
Hey thanks for the A7 and 3g info
Greg.
I have
been doing some exclusive one product applications since the last week in May, using an Androstenone product that is
proving its self in an excellent manner as far as gaining respect from males and attraction from the fairer
sex.
Once i have become more familiar with the dispersion timing
of the product in mention, i will actually try it with several drops of the 3G to for awhile to see what differences
i may notice.
I have been under the impression that what i am testing is an Androstenone product, and the box
says pheromone base additive, and also there is not the slightest doubt in my mind that the aNONE is not very
concentrated because even i can smell it and the G/F now tells me i stink bad when i have it on
alone.
Now
the crux of the matter as i am now thinking what else could it contain, ?
Because with it applied ( and covered ) and i approach a female woman or girl it does not take
more than a minute and they are giving me a very real and big smile and it stays on their faces as they are
interacting with me,
Well even so it would be interesting to see what character it could take on with a little 3g
added.
But
at the moment i am enjoying my one product testing too much to desire any other effects.
I have taken note of your favourites and
they have checked out ok in lab tests here in Australia that have been brought to my attention by a friend, Also
another one that did check out as excellent was Alter Ego, with Xcite wipes coming in strong as an Androstenol
product and also Pherofragrance cleared the bar with ease.
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The site that the product is available on is only selling the standard AQ version for retail
customers but the 3rd generation is available to wholesale buyers.
So as to qualify as a commercial buyer you will probably have to purchase the 3 fl oz ( 84 mL )
size.
Or you could speak to the general manager and you could be
lucky enough to receive a smaller quantity of 3g, that is if there is a residual amount left over from the making up
of the commercial lot sizes.
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Rbt, you might remember a few
months ago when the manufacturer posted here announcing the new AQ/3G. I think he even posted a graphic of a new
molecule he apparently "invented". A lot of bickering in that thread if you recall.
Anyway, one bicker lead to
another and he's no longer here, but some of us got some 3G. As Terry said, its only available in bulk.
The opposite of love isn't hate.
It's apathy.
Will "Liquid
Trust" work well in an interview with men and women?
I have an interview coming up in two weeks and maybe it would
give me an edge!
What do you guys think?
Thanks Jeff
I have had
excellent results with LT when used in an interveiw situation.
But this stuff is short lived once sprayed on and therefore at least 4 sprays should be sprayed
across ur shirt front at pec level.
Try and spray it immediatelly
before the sit down interveiw time if you can because it seems to only work well for about 1/2 an hour and then
dissapate very fast.
Also would recommend getting as close as
possable to them doing the interveiw.
It works well with the addidition of some alpha/betanol products, or may use
some Scent of Eros or some WAGG.
Pherofragrance is also a top
notch nol product.
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