Good evening HornyMan
sounds
interesting .... i´m going to order the book ... maybe it helps along with the hole pick up stuff ...
hope that
it´s available here in germany .. usually it should be and then i will post my opinion here ....
best Pago
Have any of
you read this book?
What do you think of it? I've seen the reviews on Amazon.com and it looks good. Kinda
expensive at $50
Nonetheless do you find you stay alpha by being verbally nice, or do you have to talk smack.
Just wondering if that would get you fired in a business environment.
I know its about picking up chicks and
being a don huan, but really how to do you stay alpha in a corporate setting without getting your ass kicked by your
superiors?
UNLESS he teaches how to control verbiage so you may act alpha, be alpha, look alpha, feel alpha,
but talk pleasantly but firm. if this is what is meant by alpha then that is great.
Anyone here read the
book?
Good evening HornyMan
sounds
interesting .... i´m going to order the book ... maybe it helps along with the hole pick up stuff ...
hope that
it´s available here in germany .. usually it should be and then i will post my opinion here ....
best Pago
Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.
--Lazarus Long
He distinguishes in the book between nice guys, alpha males, and jerks. So its quite
possible this book can be used in a corporate setting for picking up women too.
Most of it is geared towards
dating and sex, as would be expected, but it's nice to see personality development guidelines for playing the alpha
role carved into a manual. That can be used in business, friendship, and parenting, let alone women and
sex.
I've ordered the product myself so in about 1-2 weeks I'll know how it holds up.
Some examples
of males I think are alpha . Johnny Depp, brad Pitt etc. I don't think tom cruise is. I feel he comes across as
a loud mouth screaming jerk whose not alpha because he is constantly teased for being a midget. Depp and Pitt
don't get teased, and Depp is not that much taller (5'10"). Bottom line screamers = jerks not alpha
males.
Depp doesn't get walked over by woman, neither does brad pitt and neither of them act like ass**les.
So let's hope this book is in the same spirit .
HM
Last edited by HornyMan; 04-02-2008 at 03:06 PM.
I've read it, what would you
like to know?
Hi Theman03
I would like to know:
a) Can an alpha
male personality coexist in the workplace or will you get in trouble with your superiors? Can it get you
fired.
b) Does the alpha male personality require shouting, attitude etc. Or is it more firm mannered
requests for everthing
c) It is very practical or more theoretical? Are exact things you say , do etc laid
out for you?
d) How do you best describe what is laid out as an alpha male in this book if you were talking
to someone on this forum. What makes the alpha male so alpha?
e) what mone signature is compatible with this
"act"?
f) can an Alpha male still be a gentleman?
I know I'm asking a lot but I'd appreciate if you
could respond as detailed as you can.
Thanks
HM
I've moved this thread out of
Pheromone Discussion to a more appropriate location. Continue discussion...
Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.
--Lazarus Long
A. Yes it can coexist in the
workplace. However, if your boss is an alpha-male type you may bump heads. But it usually will lead to a mutual
respect between you both. However, if your boss looks to you to be his alpha male, even though he is in a position
above you, it can yield to you getting away with breaking the rules and being fast forwarded with a promotion.
B.
Quite the contrary. Alpha males don't shout, have attitude, or command people around. An alpha male leads by
example, is very polite, etc. Shouting implies that the particular person who is shouting doesn't feel important
enough to be heard and thus has to resort to "shouting" to be heard. Not an alpha male trait. Having "attitude" is
only warranted when your being attacked with attitude, stand your ground but know your limits, sometimes the bigger
man really does walk away (your indirectly saying that he/she isn't worth your time with your actions), but even
then you do not shout, by being cool calm and collected it shows that you have CONTROL of the situation, which is
what an alpha male is. And if you notice people who tend not to shout back at the person usually get shouted at even
more by the other party because the other person is feeling even more secure by shouting in the first place.
C.
Yes, its very practical. Its not really laid out in a sense that you have to follow certain rules but more so in the
fact that your whole personality revolves around a single concept. For instance, when dealing with a female, refrain
from volunteering information unless she asks. When in a conversation, don't be afraid to direct the conversation
to where you want it to go, and try to do more listening then talking. When people feel the need to talk to you its
because they feel your valuable enough to hear what it is their trying to say. Never go out of your way to speak
with someone, your important and therefore they will come to you. If the particular thing that you wanted to talk
about wasn't really important then drop it all together. By seeking out a particular person and asking for their
time in a conversation your indirectly telling them that they are more alpha then you are. So let people come to
you.
D. Its about letting people do what they want but them always doing what you want. IE, consulting you before
we go out tonight to see where you wanna go, them apologizing for things they do to you, waiting for you to speak..
just think about a son/father relationship when how you felt when you were dealing with your father, your father was
the alpha in that case. Think about the emotions you felt, how you felt when you thought he'd be pissed off, etc.
An alpha male is, for lack of a better term, everyone's father who are in the same social group.
E. I suppose a
more aggressive mone. But the main thing is that your body lanugage, speach, and other things have to complement the
mone/alpha you portray. Ex, shoulders back, chest out - shows dominance. Chin up - shows territory. Eyes slightly
closed - shows relaxation because you dont feel threatened. Also, speaking very slow is very important (not to
slow). Also, jerky body movements is a non-alpha trait. You want to be slow a deliberate with your actions.
F. A
true alpha male IS a gentleman!
Thanks Theman03. That was very
detailed and informative.
Makes me count the days till my copy arrives. :-)
HM
Sounds like that book nailed
some things many of us have been saying on the forum for some years.
Well put but I'd like to add one last
concept. You can always turn your back on an alpha male and know there won't be a knife waiting for you. If he has
a problem it will be to your face, never in the back.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
I have read the book & it has
helped me a great deal in understanding the phycology of women & how they think, act, & hide. It has helped me in
enhancing my confidence, posture, & to how to use just body language in attracting women.
theman03
great review.
Can you talk about the importance of tonality with
respect to the alpha male? You say alpha's don't shout, but if they speak like "the beaver" I doubt they'd get
many people to listen. On a side note I invested in a great book/cd combo called "LOVE your voice" which is about
training your speaking voice.
They say 90% of communication is dependent on HOW you say it not what you
say. It enables you to project whatever voice tone you want (be it gentle or firm, anxious or relaxed, fast or
slow, loud or soft)
Does the alpha male character rely on his presentation of speech. Or does he focus on
just what he has to say?
I have a hard time believing the "beaver" could be alpha even if he looked and acted
it and said all the right things with his voice tone the way it is.
Any thoughts?
I'm investing in
developing my voice as I was always told it was monotone and quiet and timid.
HM
Last edited by HornyMan; 04-03-2008 at 10:47 AM.
That's correct. I
didn't say anything about the alpha turning his back. I said you could turn your back on the alpha male and not
have to worry that he would stab you in the back.
An alpha can generally figure out who is too cowardly to even
attack from behind and knows when it is safe to turn his back on another. There are a lot of the bully type assholes
who won't hesitate to stab you in the back if they get the chance. They are never true alpha males, only wannabes.
They are the same ones who find it necessarry to shout, make threats and deride others instead of being calm and
helpful.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
belgareth
Would you consider Johnny Depp's character Tom Hanson to be an alpha
male in 21 jump street from the 1980's?
I found him to be VERY alpha and he expresses his feelings which
means he raises his voice when speaking and shouts during intense conflicts resolution with his
captain.
Perhaps this is alpha but only in the movies. Perhaps his good looks let him get away from looking
like an asshole and more like looking like a model whose serious and upset.
Regardless he is not always
polite. yet I don't see him come across as an asshole. Tom cruise does though -- he looks like one , acts like
one, and talks like one. Probably because he's been humiliated so much by the press about his
height.
HM
I don't watch TV so have never
seen the character you mention. However, based on your description, no. I would not consider him an alpha because I
believe that if you need to shout it only demonstrates insecurity. Johnny Depp himself I think is most likely an
alpha type male in his real life. The character you describe would not be taken seriously in a real life situation
or followed willingly. Most likely he would not be a trusted leader at the instinctual level either.
Something
to think about, being an alpha or beta is not something black or white. There are varying degrees of each and they
often merge or overlap. You can have some of the characteristics of each personality type, most people do.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
"Something to think about,
being an alpha or beta is not something black or white. There are varying degrees of each and they often merge or
overlap. You can have some of the characteristics of each personality type, most people do."
That's 100%
correct.
I think one can evolve into an alpha male by wanting to be one or by being forced to be one.
You want to be one so you buy the book(s), study them, and practice the techniques, and evolve into one, at
least to some extent. However, you may be too late to gather all the benefits. You might be stuck at a certain
point. In the Air Force they give a further personality test to aspiring pilots, most of whom are 22 years old.
One of the questions is: "would you rather go to your friend's house and shoot pool as they have a pool table or
would you rather they come to your house to watch TV". You won't get into fighters if you wanna play pool.
There's occupations that force you to become an alpha to varying degrees such as the military, police,
firefighters, nurses, etc.. You start out as a follower but learn from your leaders how to lead. You have to be
willing to do things that most others aren't willing to do. I joined the Air Force not because I was willing to
fight or die but because a judge more or less gave me two choices, service or a minor criminal record (being in
possession of a six-pack of beer at 17). I was too stupid at the time to understand that even the worst lawyer
could have got me out of that one. So, I eventually became alpha after about 15 years in the service.
I
don't understand why some of you are looking to movie stars to define the alpha, they are acting - you don't see
the real Depp or Cruise.
Think of a wad of kleenex lying on the floor in a corridor of the company where
you work. Many will walk by it and think, "ah, the janitor will eventually get it", or "yuck, that's disgusting"
or "who cares, it's not my job to pick it up". The alpha will pick it up and dispose of it.
There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!
An alpha is more often the one
who can nurture others, help them out and encourage them with no thought of reward. People listen to him and follow
him willingly without the bluster, bravado and bullshit. He has the courage to follow what he believes is right by
his own standards without worrying whether others approve of his actions.
The asshole that mistreats his woman
or children, or the one who is always loud and boisterous to garner attention, the classic jerk, is never an alpha.
The guy ho treats others with respect while maintaining his own self respect is the alpha. The guy that gives and
gives and allows others to walk all over him is not an alpha either. An alpha sets his parameters for personal
relations and follows those rules because he believes that way.
Pretty bad that we can only seem to define
something through negative examples, isn't it?
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Thats because the media and
hollywood bombard people with that image.
No problem. If you have anymore questions or examples just ask. I'll
do my best to help you out. BTW, I have a digital copy of it on my computer I could have sent to you to save some
bucks, if you want it let me know.
Hi theman03
Could you send it to
me:
adrian.dsouza@sympatico.ca
I have purchased it but I may want to return it down the
road.
thanks
Do you believe in tonality? Do you believe that the tone you say things is more important than the
words themselves/?
Roger love thinks so. He says tone and body language is 93% of communication. 7% goes
into what you say.
Does alpha male take that into consideration?
As for alpha male picking up kleenex
I think thats disgusting. Alpha is not the equivalent of janitor. I think alpha would pikc up his own kleenex but
make a note to the management of "maintaneance engineers" to take care of the kleenex
It's interesting because many
alpha traits, IMO, are counterintuitive to an immature understanding.
For example, a really essential trait is
humility. All the greats I meet are just really, really modest and humble, while at the same time acting confidently
in their role as steward of a situation. They understand how difficult meaningful things are, and how insignificant
their talents, efforts and accomplishments are in the bigger picture. (Remember Bruce's Mother Teresa quote? Bruce
is the alpha here, and look how humble he is...)
For instance, I can almost tell who is a great musician is by
how humble they are, by the nature of their humility. Everything is humility, even as there is a quiet confidence
underneath; which of course they don't have to tell you anything about.
The braggart who tells me about his CDs
and boldly asks to play my guitar to show off to his friends is almost always a terrible musician; at best
very mediocre. I meet these guys often when out playing.
I never have to actually hear them play.
Paco de
Lucia is worshipped as a god in Spain, and he knows it. I'm not kidding. He accepts that role, and the
responsibility that goes with it. He reinvented flamenco for modern times; carried the tradition on his back, and
elevated it to a new level. There arguably has never been a guitar player on the planet with his mastery of
technique, just for starters. He is the guitar master's guitar master. Paco is extremely humble. It's NOT an
act.
It's not about the person's ego, as Bel's description also suggests. A person has the capability to lead
a situation, and they just do it, without even necessarily taking credit.
The typical adolescent, macho, or
superficial ideas of what alpha is are really off base, including some of the ideas expressed in this forum (old
regulars excluded ). If only I knew then what I know now...
A person is best off just being themselves, and
learning to be OK with that. This, however, is a mouthful to say.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
The alpha picks up the kleenex and
doesn't think twice about it, especially the part about humbling himself or herself to stoop down; or the part
about it being disgusting... (OK, I'm ignoring pragmatic biohazard concerns for the sake of argument).
The
alpha doesn't conceive of their own value and validity as having anything to do with all that! There are a thousand
instances a day like this. Not to get religious in choosing an easy example, but think of how often Jesus of
Nazareth "stooped".
Again, think "humilty."
Can't you imagine Martin Luther King picking up the kleenex?
Donald Trump might not pick up the Kleenex, but to me he just in it for himself, and not an alpha. He is more a
rich assshole; busy trading insults with Rosie O'Donnel.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
DrSmellThis
I can't imagine Johnny Depp or Brad Pitt picking up kleenex like a janitor at the
academy awards.
Image is important for success. That's not to say they're stuck up, but rather confident
with high self esteem.
Just as there are nice guys, alpha males, and jerks, I don't believe we've touched
on the numerous combinations of alpha males. There may be many kinds.
While Jesus may have been an Alpha
male he was also nailed to a cross and left to suffer repeatedly. There are many crazy people in the philippines
who make a ritual of this each year. That doesn't make then Alpha, just crazy and stupid.
Let's talk alpha
male in our society here in north America. To have the gifts of physical appearance, to have confidence, to be
brave, to be humble, to be rich, to be famous, to have woman throwing themselves at you.
That is the real
purpose of this book. "How to become an alpha male". Its all about getting laid and thinking its a piece of cake ,
while staying humble about it and sticking to the motto: "I don't kiss and tell"
HM
Physical appearance has nothing
to do with being an alpha male, nor does being rich or famous. Those may or may not be results of alpha behavior but
they certainly are not requirements.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Horny Man, I will tell you about
the Alpha body language not the beta:
Relax. Do not ever worry.
Breathe through abdomen.
Slow down all
of your movements a notch.
Relax your eyes & eyelids.
Move your head slowly.
Feel comfortable in your
own skin.
Spread out your body.
Feel masculine & powerful.
"As for alpha male picking
up kleenex I think thats disgusting. Alpha is not the equivalent of janitor. I think alpha would pikc up his own
kleenex but make a note to the management of "maintaneance engineers" to take care of the kleenex"
Alpha
knows that it's something that needs to be done right away. He just does it, gets it over with, takes on the
responsibility of setting an example for his lessers (like yourself) to follow, knows that the image of the company
suffers while it lies there, knows that scheduling the maintenance department to do it is a big waste of time. If
that sounds disgusting to you think about the policeman who is constantly getting vomit from drunks and druggies on
themself and in their patrol car; the nurse who is always taking care of incontinent patients and has to clean them,
the soldier who has to watch their buddy while his guts are pouring out of him after being shot, I could go on and
on.
Picture the alpha walking along the corridor and seeing that kleenex, unbeknownst to him the CEO is
behind him, the CEO has also seen the kleenex and wonders what the alpha is going to do, then guess who gets
promoted soonest.
I have no idea if Depp or Pitt would stoop to pick it up, I don't know either of them
except from their acting. I imagine though that most stars would not pick it up. I also think that most of them
are not all that alpha, they are actors and need direction from the certainly alpha director.
There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!
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