Thanks Doc. You said it better
than I could have. I can't count the number of times we have told people how strong it is only to have them order
it anyway. Then they complain, of course.
I'm getting a bit tired of reading about beginners overdosing on NPA, then complaining
pheromones don't work for them!
Beginners have no business starting off with NPA, in my opinion.
NPA is so
hard to dab without overdosing it makes no sense to get it unless you're going to mix it with a cologne.
Edge
is the exact same thing diluted to a strength where you can dab it without scaring all life forms away.
One dab
of Edge and I'm good to do. Edge is a great product. Can't even imagine trying to apply NPA on myself.
If you
want specifically to spike cologne, order NPA to your hearts content! It's an unbeatable product for that.
Otherwise, be forewarned.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Thanks Doc. You said it better
than I could have. I can't count the number of times we have told people how strong it is only to have them order
it anyway. Then they complain, of course.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
It is wierd. My Edge comes
in spray form and everyone talks about dabbing. Did I get the wrong bottle? Or there is another version of Edge I do
not know ?
The unscented Beginner Special
used to ship in a plain bottle sans spray head. Not the best setup for dabbing. Transfer a small amount into an old
NPA or EO bottle with drip spout for improved ease of use.
I think the scented EDGE versions have spray heads. In
my opinion the the spray is too voluminous. A smaller volume spray head like a Sephora atomizer is easier to
control.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
Well im new to pheromones and i
have both edge and npa, however after using npa once ( one drop+cover ), i smelled the musky odor for 10 houres
straight and i havent used it since ! , i will give it another try when im more experienced with pheros, but yea ,
npa is very strong stuff, its the only perhos i have that actually break trough my cover scents :s
( Altough i
must say i got good results from when i wore 1 drop of npa but i just hate musk smell )
NPA is way too strong for me.
2 dabs of TE is my limit, and that's less than 1 dab of NPA as far as -none goes. I need to work out a good
NPA+cover scent mix for the bar scene. For my work life I'm staying away from NPA.
It must have something to do
with not understanding the "less is more" concept.
Pheromones ain't your daddy's aftershave fellers... ie slap
on a palm full of Old Spice and your good for the day. One drop can cause amazing reactions.
TE is the snake's
eyebrows, esp with SoE.
In my experience, NPA seems to
have less of a bad odor when compared to Edge. If I OD on something, I'd rather it be NPA.
I'll order more
NPA when I run out, not sure if I'm going to reorder Edge though. Ammo might be more my thing.
If I'm the rubber and your the glue..then I'd probably get some, and you'd just be sticky
My big mistake was ordering
everything scented. I got scented TE and scented C7, and while I really like the smell of C7, it makes it a bit
more difficult to cover as you have to watch for the sents clashing. Black code seems ok with both of those, but
dunno how all three together will go...
well I guess we gotta make mistakes
to learn.....
Thats what this forum and site is all about?
Life is only 10% what happens to you and 90% how
you deal with it. We all get dealt a bad hand every now and then, but its how you react to that situation that
determines what happens next!! Think about it !!
Sometimes one step forward and 2 steps back is best!!
Thank
god we have you guys to keep us from falling!
This
makes no sense to me. The only reason Edge might "smell more", being the exact same thing with more alcohol and
water, is that you can use more fluid volume and spread it over a larger area for more evaporation. If you used the
same amont of liquid, Edge would smell much less, especially after the initial minute of rapid alcohol evaporation.
(You can't judge smell on the initial burst of alcohol evaporation)
But Edge used modestly, especially if
spread out to multiple application points, will not stink. I can make one dab cover six application points, and you
could cover your whole body with 2-4 dabs (1-4 dabs is the range of effectiveness for most). Again, if you are
stinking, you are either OD'ing or not using a cover scent. (There are exceptions, of course, like in the case of
Gegogi who has to use ridiculous levels that are an OD for everyone else). Further, Edge does not stink when you get
one of the many scented versions. NPA has no scented version. At one dab, (I don't believe anyone but experienced
users should attempt to spray Edge, since that's an instant OD for many) Edge improves the overall smell of
my cologne-pheromone complex!
Use scented Edge (the sandalwood one goes with every cover scent, but I use the
cedar "Arouser") in moderation with a cover scent, and you will have no problems with stink.
Why would you be
willing to OD on NPA or anything else?? That makes no sense. If you use Edge you won't OD. If you use NPA you will,
unless you are a freak of nature.
NPA "doesn't stink as bad" (it smells exactly the same because it is
exactly the same) only because it is confined to a pinhead application point where it can't disperse. It's
impossible to get enough fluid to spread NPA out without an OD. But you could almost say that if it ain't stinking,
it ain't working, because larger areas of dispersal have long been known to be better. So Edge is also going to
work better.
Some of you people just cannot understand, or will not open your minds, to the fact that just
because something stinks in huge quantities doesn't mean it can't smell fantastic in judicious amounts, especially
in combination with other things. That is one of the main principles and insights of perfuming.
Nowhere is it
more true than in the case of Edge, scented or not. Learn to use it properly and you will be rewarded.
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DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
As you and Idesign say, newbies typically
think more is better when actually the opposite is true. You want to use the least effective amount so you can
combine strong positive reactions with few or no negative reactions.
When everyone is getting along with you a
tiny bit better you will have a happier life.
Listen to us or suffer the consequences!
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
One other key point is that New
Pheromone *Additive* (NPA) is just that, an additive, meant to be diluted in a bunch of cover cologne. Dabbing for
many younger guys who are already androstenone heavy naturally may just be plain ass overkill. Period.
I'm even
cautious about A7, although it is "moderated" with androsterone (and so far I've not had any problems with it like
I did with PI).
The "grab n' go" mixes like Chikara, , Ammo, etc may be a far better place to start, especially
for the under 25 set, until one established some understanding of their dosage limits. I'd almost rather a
"Beginners kit" consist more of an assortment of the "portion controlled" gel packs.
The opposite of love isn't hate.
It's apathy.
Here's some measurements I
made on how little NPA is used in mixes like JB1 & JB2.
I filled a 2.5ml atomizer with 1ml of water. Then
counted the number of sprays in that volume.
Using a 7:3 ratio and a mix I tried the other day. It came out
as:
14 sprays per 1 ml
0.071429ml per
spray
Mixing .7ml Black code and .3ml NPA to equal
1ml.
0.05ml of Black Code per
spray
0.022ml (rounded) of NPA per spray
It took at least a good 8 hrs for the smell of the cover to fade away.
I would guesstimate a "dab" to be likely around the .1 or even .2 ml range. So thats a big
difference between a dab and a mixed spray.
If I'm the rubber and your the glue..then I'd probably get some, and you'd just be sticky
I suppose I can defer to DSM when
I say I prefer NPA to atomizer edge. I found a stray gelpack of edge and I thought it worked pretty well. I always
use cover scents now, and I think from now on I'll save the NPA for cologne mixes and use gelpacks of edge for
normal use.
I have been using edge and NPA
for years.
Quite simply both work for me quite well.
Npa 1 to 5 ratio, used with cool water.
Edge both spray
and dropper work well.
What i do is spray on cover scent first let it dry, at specific points on body. And then
apply with a dropper, on exactly the spot i have applied the cover scent.
Edge 2 to 3 drops, NPa 1 to 1.5 drops.
Also use nol product also ie soe, dr dodds stuff. Works well. cheers
The practicalities favor NPA, in
my opinion. One spray of Edge is too much while two or three dabs of NPA are just right. I don't mix but do
cover.
I too found that Edge smells more than NPA. One hypothesis is that the spray exposes more skin per
dose so one would expect more changes. The concentrated NPA is applied to a much smaller area of skin.
Plus
dose depends on venue. A crowded, rockin' bar would need more than an intimate dinner for two.
Two years ago I got huge
success with a 7:3 mix of APC:NPA. One or two dabs (maximum) of that were enough.
If I'm the rubber and your the glue..then I'd probably get some, and you'd just be sticky
The practicalities favor NPA in your experience. I'll buy that, but if you can wear three dabs of NPA
you are different than most people.
I agree one spray of Edge is often too much. But how hard is it to remove
the lid and dab Edge? Dabbing Edge gives you the freedom to cover all your desired spots without OD'ing; whereas a
dab of NPA covers about the head of a pin, and can maybe fit on your wrist. Talk about impractical!
The chest
area is the best spot for a -none product, since it gives better effects the closer someone gets to you, as opposed
to hitting someone with -none as a first impression; and only Edge is dilute enough to cover your chest plus another
spot or two.
Who cares what spraying it does? There shouldn't even be a sprayer on the bottle. Wake up,
people!
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Yes, thats always a fun first
experience with mones. Get the beginners pack which comes with TE and then put on one spray. Gives you that goofy
dazed and confused feeling for a few hours.
If I'm the rubber and your the glue..then I'd probably get some, and you'd just be sticky
Ok, so i've decided to use
edge gel packets.
What's the equivalent dosage of edge gel packets to say a dab or two of edge?
Also
I notice excellent results when wearing close to 1/2 to 3/4 of a packet along with SOE, however my wife says I stink
like piss.
I applied to chest mostly and got excellent results without the smell irritating my nose.
I
figure I'l use Dr Smell this advise and spread out to other location points, like the back of my neck.
I
have armani code and kenneth cole RSVP. I also have D&Gabbana original version. Will all 3 of these be a suitable
cover?
I really like the edge/soe. I do find unlike the A7/SOE I get an increase in sex drive when I take
this. It's like wow I instantly turn into a horny bastard which is great since its supposed to make women horny
too.
HM
The TE bottle has 100 mcg per mL phero
content.
The TE gel has 80 mcg phero content per mL
Therefore drop for drop the bottled drop contains
20 % more pheromone than the gel.
TE bottled
contains around 2 mcg/drop pheromone with one mcg being Androstenone and the other one mcg being secret enhancing
pheromones.
A typical spray of TE will give you
around 12 mcg with that being 6 mcg Androstenone and the other 6 mcg being of the unknown enhancing
ingredients/pheros.
Just for interest sake there is
a competing product called TUTH and it contains 2.5 mcg/spray, and some young users do report the symptoms of OD
with the use of 2 or more sprays.
NPA is 480 mcg/mL
and depending upon the size of your drops one drop is around 9.6 mcg with once again 50 % being Anone and the other
being enhancing phero ect.
I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....
I seem to get continuous
hits from asain ladies when wearing this mix.
I love the fact that it makes me horny and also feel like a
man, and I also take the role and play it out.
I was just wondering, is the edge too mild to receive hits
from those other than asians? I know women over 30 respond to more none so maybe I need to up the quantity of edge
levels. But nontheless I am looking for a younger women say 25-35.
I figure a dime size amount of edge gel
does the trick for me along with a few swipes of SOE. But I really wanna attract more than asians.
And yes I
am brown skin, east indian, but most people think I'm spanish. I also am about 5'8" and 175 lbs. I may attract
asians for different reasons. Perhaps its my own appearance, height, skin color, and tempermant.
HM
I have
just done a google image search for " dime " as i have never seen one and i am still not sure how much you would be
using in your Asian attraction recipe.
But i would
suggest to increase the TE in gradual incraments so as to get a handle of what would constutute an appropriate
amount to use to attract beautys other than the Asian variety and you could also add a little extra SOE to soften
your image and also add a bit of extra refined gentleman type of look.
I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....
An American 10 cent coin or dime, is
just under 2cm in diameter (18mm) (11/16 of an inch). It's also the thinnest coin (about 1mm).
An American 1
cent coin or penny, is almost exactly 2cm. Just a smidge thicker than a dime.
An American 5 cent coin or nickle,
is just a "silly little millimeter"* wider at 21mm. About 2mm thick.
An American 25 cent coin or quarter, is
24mm in diameter. Also about 2mm thick.
There are also 50 cent (halves) and $1 coins but you rarely if ever see
them. Generally not in circulation.
You can compare to your local coinage for reference.
*from an old
cigarrette commercial.
The opposite of love isn't hate.
It's apathy.
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