Pheromone Consistency
Ok, there is
a sexy russian girl in my english class I have had my eye on for the past few weeks...
A couple days ago was the
first time I interacted with her in depth (that is, more than sideways glances and "hello"). I was wearing about 12
or so inches of SoE, and it seemed to be pretty effective. Long story short, we spoke for about 15 minutes before
class with lots of eye contact and smiles etc.
Today I used about 16 inches of SoE and 2 sprays of Chikara. We
were in the computer lab today and I sat next to her (I normally sit about 5 feet from her). I had similar results
to the first day, just far more exaggerated, almost to the point of an OD (from SoE, so it was good).
She
was extremely chatty, she simply would not stop talking to me, even while the teacher was lecturing and all
but telling her to stfu. She also kept on wanting to show me what she was doing on her computer (despite being
pretty inane and meaningless), it really felt like a presentation of sorts. Also, I got the sense (though, I
may be reading too much into this) that she didn't want this other guy around who tried to hit on her a couple of
times.
All in all, I think it was beneficial to "build up" my pheromone profile (albeit rapidly), perhaps to keep
from catching her off guard. My question is, how important is it that I wear the same/similar mones around her in
the future? At this point I have worn SoE and SoE + Chikara, I am thinking I may use SoE + NPA or go out on a limb
and use A314 + A1. Is it possible that I will confuse her by changing mones? Should I maintain my SoE base and
just go from there? Should I do so gradually, and if so how gradually?
What kind of experience do you guys have
with using different mones with the same woman? I suppose I have two goals at this point...
1:
make/keep her very comfortable so that she is open to further interaction, that is, outside of school as soon as
possible.
2: After that, create some sexual tension and maximize her arousal level.
I know this has been
a long-winded post, but I really appreciate any and all feedback.
Great job FK.
Its hard to
say, but common sense would say stick with a strategy that works, and don't shock her with a sudden change. Once
she's solidly comfortable with you and things advance, you might add a tiny bit of -none. I would do this on the
first "date", it could be coffee, a shift from school to social.
*You're* the one getting the attention, go easy
on the -mones, and use it intelligently as a supplement.
Ok thank you. That is
certainly what I would intuit, it is just good to have your feedback. Thanks.
Make sure to keep us posted on
results! Good luck!
Ok, not to beat a dead horse
here but I have been thinking...
idesign, you said that I should add some -none outside of school-related
interactions (i.e. coffee "date" or w/e). I would take it that you mean to say that I should keep the SoE + Chikara
mix until then, no? Now, beyond that I see two possibilities (though admittedly, I may be nitpicking here),
A) I should simply use SoE + NPA on the first "coffee date." The possible problem I foresee here is that
a sudden change may confuse her, though given the change of setting, maybe not
B) I should keep the SoE
base (which I would do anyway) and use a small amount of both Chikara and NPA, like perhaps 1 spray
and 1 dab, respectively. That way the mone profile is similar to what she is used to with me, just with a
(hopefully) decidedly sexual edge.
Again, I realize it may be silly to get caught up in such details, but I am
more than a little OCD. Once again, thanks idesign, and anyone else who responds for that
matter.
Oh what the hell, beat away...Originally Posted by FutureKill
its best
to get your strategy straight.
You're thinking right I
think, the good thing is you're thinking. I would choose option B. You might wait for the second "date" to
introduce the -none, but that's your call in the field.
Use NPA *very*judiciously to start, and increase in
small amounts if required.
Nitpicking now might just get you a Russian g/f.
Good luck,
Greg
Yeah, and I won't even have
to do the whole "mail order bride" thing.
Once again, thanks for the feedback. I may even use "half-a-dab,"
if you will, of NPA at first. Regardless, I will certainly post results as I make them.
Ok I know it has been awhile,
but I haven't had much to report since my last post...
Last Tuesday the Sexy Russian Girl was absent, much to my
disappointment.
Last Thursday I used the same mix as before. I did not get as pronounced results as before
but I was still pleased, all things considered. I spoke to her briefly before class, and I was the only one she
seemed interested in talking to, a good sign. We smiled at each other from half-way across the room twice, nothing
special, but still another good sign. After class was over and I started to leave she waited until she could walk
right beside me to get up (she sits closer to the door than I do). Also, she all but shoved this big guy out of the
way to catch me. We started talking and she said she was tired and had been sick, I tried my best to show concern
(not that I didn't care because I did, and I tried to show it). At that point we parted ways to head to our next
classes.
Today was more interesting though. My most recent order arrived last week and I have been itching to
use NPA ever since. I foolishly went ahead and used it today, despite my better judgment. I had ~12+ inches of SoE
on my neck, a spray of Chikara at my solar plexus and a dab of NPA split between the tops of my hands, a little more
on my right hand. Also, I sit with my left side closest to her which may or may not be of any consequence.
When
she came into class she was shivering and I asked her if she was cold. "Yees, vary," she said with a grin and a
Pussy Galore type accent (very hot). About this time class started, today the professor had us pair off to
critique each other's essays. Sadly I was not paired with Ms. Galore. Despite what little interaction I had
with her I did notice 3 DIHL from her. I briefly made eye contact with two, and maintained it until she looked away
once. Neither one of us smiled, I am thinking that perhaps I should have initiated a smile
was over she got up quickly and left. I certainly hope she was simply in a hurry but I really don't think that was
the case.
So, here is where you guys come in...
In short, WTF happened? Here is my take on
it.
(1) Sadly I do think the addition of NPA was the primary culprit, what do you think? I probably
should have held off on it for a little while.
(2) With hindsight, it was very dumb of me not to smile at
her. How much of a role do you think that played here?
(3) Could where I put the various mones
have had any bearing on my (lack of) results? I think probably not, but I would love to here your take on it.
So
the next question is what should I do next? First and foremost I need to smile at her and be the first to do
it.
But that still leaves me with the issue of pheromonal problems. My gut tells me to simply cut out
the NPA for now and re-titrate up the Chikara dosage. I did have another thought, though this may seem dumb given
the supposed nature of my problem. That is to add something like A314 for the whole "respect vibe," or perhaps A1
on it's own in the hopes that it will negate any alienation she may feel towards me.
That is really what I want
to know. what do you guys think I should do with my mone profile at this point?
Also, do you think her
inattentiveness could be caused by something else entirely?
Once again I apologize for such a long and drawn out
post. Thank you ever so much to anyone who responds.
How About "Want to meet up for some
coffee after class?"?
Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.
--Lazarus Long
So the next question is
what should I do next? First and foremost I need to smile at her and be the first to do it.
Yes, i would certainly flash her a confident smile with a re ashoring nod of the head and a little wave
gesture, Once will initially be sufficient, As u will not want to appear like a needy small boy.
By all means smile back and acknowledge any signals that she may give.
Ok as Mountain Jim says, Do take the initiative and ask her out for a coffee ect.
Tell her you would like to talk to her, and it would be best to do so over a coffee.
You could then ask her some relaxed questions that relate to her interests and go from there,
homeland, family ect ect.
I would leave off with the NPA initially and probably use some
Scent of Eros and ONE divided drop of A314 with some A1 for the date.
Then later when you
have been holding hands for a few weeks you could add a small dab of NPA and go from there.
I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....
What Terry and Jim say seems
good, just ask her out for an innocent coffee or lunch.
My thoughts... Don't try to micro-manage your love life
with pheromones. This girl seems interested in you, very good, use all of your natural skills, and definitely smile
first and smile often! Pheromones generally don't "get" you anything, they just "help". There are exceptions, but
in your case I'd go easy and stick with what has worked.
Its hard to give advice from afar, but I would cut out
the NPA until you're on a comfortable social level. That stuff is strong and hard to dose, esp at your age.
You're probably producing enough already.
Thank you very much for the
help, all of you.
One of the reasons I forget to smile and other such dumb mistakes is b/c this kind of pursuit
is fun, I tend to forget that it is also work. Tomorrow, before class, I am definitely going to get into
that head-space and be more aggressive than I have, assuming she keeps up the positive signals.
With regard to
mones, I am sure-as-hell not going to use NPA any time soon. At least not with women that I don't already know
very well. For now I am going to go back to SoE + Chikara.
Once again, thank you gentlemen. I certainly
hope to report back tomorrow with positive results.
Good News!
But first,
today before English Class I applied 2 sprays of Chikara on my chest and at least 15 inches of SoE on my
neck. Anyway, here is the lead in...
At the very beginning of class I got up to hole-punch some papers. While
doing so, the Sexy Russian Girl walked up behind me and cheerfully expressed her surprise that I was not wearing a
pink shirt (I frequently wear pink, but today it was purple). I don't even remember what I said now, but
essentially I acknowledged her comment. I would have been more responsive, but she caught me off guard and I was
getting a migraine at the time.
Class started and we sat down. For almost the whole period I was paying
attention to her, trying not to stare. Unfortunately she did not once make eye contact or even look at me while I
was watching her. Strangely enough she paid an awful lot of attention to a guy at her table, even made physical
contact 2 or 3 times. At this point I was feeling quite discouraged, wondering if I should even try asking
her out today...
To my surprise she once again made sure to leave the room at the same time as I did,
despite ample opportunity to leave sooner (I was going slowly intentionally, to "test the waters"). We began
talking about how tired we both were from staying up late the night before, writing essays. Right before leaving
the building I asked her if she would like to go out for coffee some time. She said "sure," in a sort of
non-descript tone. She was not ecstatic at the prospect, but at the same time it was not like, "sure, I
guess, if you insist." So I gave her my business card and told her to call me. She laughed/giggled at my having
business cards (I think she was impressed). She read out loud, "Research Analyst" right underneath my name,
to which I wittily responded "Yeah, I'll tell you all about it over coffee, see ya." Then we parted ways to go to
our cars.
Admittedly, it is not a date yet but I think I have my foot in the door. At least I will have
the opportunity to impress her when I am prepared and feeling well next week in class. So, we will see if she
actually calls.
Once again, pardon my uber-long post...
I have several questions for you guys at this
point:
#1: What do you make of her being so attentive towards that other guy, but then clearly expressing
interest in me? Do you think that is just ordinary female duplicity, or could she have been reacting to my mones
and just paid attention to him because I wasn't immediately beside her?
#2: I am thinking back to the first
time I used mones in her immediate vicinity. She really seemed to have an OD on SoE. I would think that is
something that made a (comparatively) powerful impression on her. So I was wondering about the prospect of
intentionally ODing her on SoE. What do you think?
#3: Despite my less than good experience
with none, I am still curious. So, without drastically changing my mone signature I was thinking of tweaking SoE a
little. Perhaps I could try upping the rone level or play around with beta-nol. Do you think it is worth a shot,
or should I keep my little paws off until the situation itself actually changes as well?
Many thanks
everyone, wish me luck and/or pray to The Pheromone Gods on my behalf.
You should have specified a
specific place and date for the coffee, annnnnd you should have gotten her number, not given her yours. Guys
call girls, not the other way around. Otherwise Good job!!!
Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.
--Lazarus Long
You should
have specified a specific place and date for the coffee, annnnnd you should have gotten her number, not given
her yours. Guys call girls, not the other way around. Otherwise Good job!!!
Exactly right.
And another important thing I see on these forums. Some of you guys do too much thinking. You over analyze and
maybe over think the Phero part.
These are women not Grizzly Bears. Act without overanalyzing and talk to as
many girls as you can. It is really a numbers game. The more chicks you converse with, the more socially adept and
confident you will be around them. And don't let a failure with one or two blow you out of the water.
Yep, I agree with the two sentiments above. No need to make too much out of this. Pheromones
are generally just a small part of the picture. You will drive yourself crazy with overanalyzing. I know because I
have done it. Don't do it. Just put yourself out there. Look at the results you get, but don't get stuck in
that mode of trying to figure out exactly what is happening. You will kill any game you might have. Just get out
there and live. You will eventually figure out what works. Don't be afraid to screw
up.
Last edited by Tester123; 12-08-2011 at 05:10 PM.
FK, you're getting some good
advice from the above posters. I agree, relax and have fun. And get her phone number!! Jim's right. If I'm
correct, Russian women like men who are men. Maybe Alex will see this and offer his perspective.
I think this is true from my very limited experience with Russian women. Interestingly
enough, I met a young woman whose family was from Russia very recently. What's the deal with so many of them
looking like models....tall and exotic looking? Maybe they look like models because so many of our models are from
Eastern Europe?
Last edited by Tester123; 12-08-2011 at 05:07 PM.
American women want
men to be men also. Despite the deception of radical feminism, 95% of women are attracted to a MAN, who is also a
gentleman.
Haven't we seen this conversation before, Tounge? Nothing changes, does it?
Society tells us to be gentle and best buddies and show our feelings. Then we get to watch the guys who ignore it
win the women.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Yep, Tounge and belareth, women still want men. They won't tell you that to your face. Better
to watch a woman's actions than to go by what she says she wants. Women often don't know what they want. A great
book is The Way of the Superior Male by David Deida. It touches on the whole issue of male/female polarity and
explains how it works. It's hard to be male in today's society because there is a lot of male-bashing and the
world has changed in so many respects. Women want to have a life of their own, but they also want to be women and
have men be men. It's a tough balance to get
sometimes.
Last edited by Tester123; 12-08-2011 at 05:04 PM.
Yes this is so
true. Men tried to be what they thought the modern women thought they should be. This goes against nature. Political
and human whims come and go, but nature will never change.
Same goes for parents who try to be their child's
best friend instead of their parent. Doesn't work and never will.
I know that one by heart. A former neighbor played that game while my kids got raised by a tyrant, I
was called Hitler on steroids
adults, especially in this society.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Being new here, I'm reading
alot, and seeing lots of similar stories, guys, when you see a target, pull the trigger!
More Good
News!
First of all, the past few days I have been experimenting with a B-nol SoE clone
(2A-nol: 2B-nol: 1 rone). I have definitely had positive results from it. I won’t bore you
with my reinvention of the wheel, but suffice it to say that I have gotten quite a few “social hits” and
no sexual ones (for one thing most of them involved heterosexual men
So, today
I decided I would bark up a different tree with Natalia. I opted to lower my Chikara to 1 spray on my chest while
slopping on the SoE and it’s B-nol clone. I must have put on at least 15 inches of each one.
I’ll spare you the tedious details and just say that we interacted the most, as well as the
most seriously, since I began pursuing Natalia.
One detail I should note though, at
the end of class another guy kept trying to talk to her, he wouldn’t let her leave
already gone, expecting her to follow behind me as usual, but she did not. After descending the first of three
flights of steps I heard her speak dismissively, and in a rushed tone, to this other gentleman. After all but
telling him to leave her alone, she ran (literally ran, no joke) down the stairs to catch up with me. Major ego
stroke
I wish I could write about this in an interesting way,
but basically I asked her if she was still up for coffee, (she said yes) and then asked for her phone number so I
could call her to work out scheduling. I would have actually suggested a date and time, but she has a crazy
schedule (goes to school all day, works nights, etc.) and it seemed best to wait till I could actually focus on that
to set a date.
I really meant for this to be a short post...
Anyway, I would definitely consider today to have been a success. So without
influencing anyone’s opinion with my own half-assed brainstorming, I’ll just ask: What mones should I
wear when we go out for coffee? Thank you.
EDIT: I suppose it would be helpful if I said what mones I currently
have...
SoE Unscented
Chikara Unscented
Alpha A314 /m
NPA /m
Liquid Trust
Lucky 7 Phero Chem
Set
Beta-Androstenol
Androstadienone
Nice work man, no clue on the
combos as my first order is in transit. That's what I mean by pulling the trigger
First: Great job!
Second:
Just to be clear... you wore 15" of Soe + 15" of your B-nol mix + 1 spray C7? That's a lotta stuff.
Third:
What do you think worked in this mix?
Fourth: My standard answer... use what you know works.
Fifth: The
problem with a complicated mix is that you don't know which -mone broke through. A single product or a simple mix
allows you to understand situations with a definite mone signature based on a limited amount of variables. Once you
know how a product works on you, then tweaking with complicated mixes is done with invaluable prior
experience.
Sixth: Advice... go back to your simple SoE application to start. Keep in mind that you'll be much
closer to her for a longer period of time, the ideal -mone situation. Your heavy mix may be a bit much being that
intimate. I would say wait before adding -none.
OTOH, you could go for broke and concoct your own winner. I
hate to discourage experimentation, though I really think experience counts.
idesign --
First:
Thank You!
Second: Yes, that is right. I had 15" of SoE + 15" of a B-nol SoE Clone spread around the
backs of my hands, my neck and my jawline; Along with 1 spray of Chikara to my chest, just for good measure
.
Third: Several things...
(a) Aside from the Chikara I was essentially wearing straight
SoE with some Bnol. I think that gave off enough of a (safe and tamed) sexual aura to pique her interest while the
Bnol projected a sort of "Social King" image, if you will.
(b) Like you said, that is a lot of stuff,
particularly a lot of SoE et al. 30 inches is certainly an "overdose number." Now, she didn't overtly
behave as though she were in an overdose state (except for chasing me after class), but I do think she
"felt like" she were ODing. does that make sense?
(c) I think less -none due to the reduced Chikara
contributed to the "friendly nice guy" image I have been shooting for all along (in the past I have routinely used 2
or more sprays). Admittedly, I may be off base here though.
Fourth: I certainly understand the notion of
sticking to what you know when there is something to be gained (or lost). The reason I ask is that I feel
like my goal should now be to build trust while mantaining (or escalating if at all safely possible) sexual
tension.
Fifth: Yes, you are probably right. I do feel like I have pretty much mastered SoE and I am
familiar with C7 and b-nol so adding one more chemical would be safe, I think. I wonder about A1 or LT, at
least if I can get in some preliminary experimentation before the date.
Sixth: Thank you for the advice, I had
not really considered that. I think I will use no more than 15 inches of SoE and SoB-nol (clever huh?)
combined. What is more, I doubt I will use none until after I have already gotten her into bed
.
Once again, many thanks for all the feedback guys.
Dude, she obviously already
trusts you, almost too much. You need her to start thinking of you sexually before you end up in the just friends
category... Not sure what that means as far pheros goes, but it means you need to start acting a bit less like a
friend to her and a bit more like a date.
Gmoney, I have really not
gotten that feeling, but then again a fish doesn't know he is in a fishbowl. That is, I am not disagreeing with
you, as what you say seems to ring true. But I must ask, what exactly makes you say that?
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