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    Default going commercial retail with their Ammo pheromone cologne

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    bad news for us veteran users because we'll lose the advantage? according to

    them, Ammo will be available in every mall and on every retail store's shelve just like a regular cologne.


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    I wouldn't worry too much about

    losing your advantage. I could probably blow you out of the water wearing Brut, while you bathed in Ammo.



    Pheromones are main stream. Many,many Universities worldwide study them objectively. And many fragrance makers are

    already incorporating them in their fragrances.

    The line of crap that a certain pheromone company is on the

    cutting edge, is just marketing hype. It's bullshit for Bubbas and Bubbaettes.


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    lol...

    Pheromone

    colongues were on-sale in retail stores waaaayyy before they were available through the internet. Strange thing

    is... alot of them are discontinued.

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    I don't see it as a problem

    because I don't think pheros are well suited to a cologne user's mindset.

    You probably will have a lot of

    guys that will pile 5 or 6 sprays on and then wonder why all the girls are avoiding them, then stop using the spray.

    The restraint that is the watchword with many of us doesn't carry over into the cologne world.

    Nothing to

    worry about here, move along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tounge View Post
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    wouldn't worry too much about losing your advantage. I could probably blow you out of the water wearing Brut, while

    you bathed in Ammo.

    Pheromones are main stream. Many,many Universities worldwide study them objectively. And

    many fragrance makers are already incorporating them in their fragrances.

    The line of crap that a certain

    pheromone company is on the cutting edge, is just marketing hype. It's bullshit for Bubbas and Bubbaettes.



    I dont know what Ammunition is like, But your post has reminded

    me that when i splash Brute on and then some A7 and SOE and cover with more Brute i can get good hit reactions for a

    really long duration of time.
    I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGuy20 View Post
    I

    don't see it as a problem because I don't think pheros are well suited to a cologne user's mindset.

    You

    probably will have a lot of guys that will pile 5 or 6 sprays on and then wonder why all the girls are avoiding

    them, then stop using the spray. The restraint that is the watchword with many of us doesn't carry over into the

    cologne world.

    Nothing to worry about here, move along.
    Actually 5 or 6

    sprays could be a good amount for an older type man. and a young guy would probably attract a mature type

    woman.
    I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGuy20 View Post
    I don't

    see it as a problem because I don't think pheros are well suited to a cologne user's mindset.

    You probably will

    have a lot of guys that will pile 5 or 6 sprays on and then wonder why all the girls are avoiding them, then stop

    using the spray. The restraint that is the watchword with many of us doesn't carry over into the cologne

    world.

    Nothing to worry about here, move along.
    So true, an expecting but uneducated consumer may be a

    failure by design in this case. Not to wish bad things to anyone, but it does seem to be an ill-conceived strategy.

    Then again, we know how marketing can overcome reason. But that's a limited play.

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    Maybe their advertising

    campaign will be similar to the Axe commercials. They have really great marketing, and a good product, but not very

    realistic unless it's a cover for a really good phero mix.
    If I'm the rubber and your the glue..then I'd probably get some, and you'd just be sticky

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    Ammo is similar to Alter Ego.

    It has a quality scent and androstenone, androsterone and androstenol split about evenly (Alter Ego is slightly more

    none heavy). It is an effective product, but it is possible to have a none OD, just like Alter Ego.

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    I certainly agree that Ammo is similar to AE, But Ammo is very low in Androstenone at 2.5 mcg per

    spray of the standard product you would have to use 8 sprays to give the same aNONE hit as one drop of Alpha 7. at

    least, and about six sprays to equal one drop NPA, So in reality Ammunition not very scary stuff really when it

    comes down to its low Androstenone dominance factor.


    For some

    of us nore mature guys who thrive on Androstenone and can use one drop or more of Alpha 7, or PI, or NPA for that

    matter then Ammunition to us would be like using a childs toy, as it is only around 1.5 mcg TOTAL pheromones per

    drop.


    As far superior value can be found concentration and

    price wise with a bottle of Alpha 7 and a bottle of Scent of Eros when you weigh up the total amount of pheromone

    content of each standard product.
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    Even 2.5 mcg of none is an OD

    for some people and may be good for a consumer product. Spray on 4 sprays at 10 mcg and that is significant for a

    lot of people.

    I think NPA is an excellent product and want to buy A7. I like to experiment and push the edge.

    Is A7 going to buy me anything over NPA? To date I found nothing makes women hotter than NPA.

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    Marketing and delivery of

    results is the key. If you produce and market a product that claims to "get women hot", then you have to deliver.

    If not you'll fail, or be relegated to a fringe market, which will not pay for the launch.

    IMHO, pheromones are

    not ready for the mass-market. We all know here that they work, but the fact that there is a huge amount of

    discussion and many differences in anecdotal results leads me to think that a new commercial Pheromone product is

    not ready for prime time.

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    It seems that the marketing

    campaign having anything at all to do with the product went away several years ago.

    Advertisers would likely

    show 30 seconds of a duck swimming across a pond and they say "Got milk?"
    Say what?
    If I'm the rubber and your the glue..then I'd probably get some, and you'd just be sticky

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    In my experience Ammo is as

    good as any other all in one product for the results it delivers. Got me laid by a woman much too young and gorgeous

    for me.

    However the fragrance itself is too cheap and generic, IMHO, and no other product has made it that big.

    So their work is cut out for them. Depends on who they market it to. I wish them luck.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    Sometimes the only way to find out

    is to try.

    Much hinges on how it's marketed (like any product). Axe I think did pretty well with it's

    commercials, even though it's not a pheromone product. I agree the Ammo scent is not unique or outstanding enough

    to make it a "boutique" product like Creed etc. (in fact I'm not all that impressed by it). But sometimes making a

    product the same as another successful product (at least in this case scent-wise) works better than making it too

    far off the beaten path. Yes it's a good product, but I too have had somewhat better results with AE and Chikara

    than Ammo so far.

    I would think they may be better off limiting sales to specialty shops over mass-merchandisers

    like Wal-Mart. The "costs" are too high. Plus it seems they have enough trouble keeping up with the manufacturing

    demand for their current level of sales, and producing the thousands of gallons of product necessary to supply a

    large market may overwhelm them. Just "filling the shelves" with basic stock in 1000's of stores is a challenge.

    Too much success can be worse than too little success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulman View Post
    Even

    2.5 mcg of none is an OD for some people and may be good for a consumer product. Spray on 4 sprays at 10 mcg and

    that is significant for a lot of people.

    I think NPA is an excellent product and want to buy A7. I like to

    experiment and push the edge. Is A7 going to buy me anything over NPA? To date I found nothing makes women hotter

    than NPA.
    Yes NPA is good stuff i agree as have used much bottles of it

    .


    Personally

    Alpha 7 is my favourite as it also produces the dampness phenomenum in females same as NPA but A7 has the added

    advantage of a high quality Androsterone in its formulation that in my opinion has the ability to produce some very

    real and smooth results, This is a very versatile product.


    Have had some of my best ever hits with it

    and Scent of Eros mixed.


    Also one drop of Alpha 7 mixed with 2 of Alpha 314 is a really sucessfull mix when a person is

    prepared to work at a little smooth girl talk, works every time once they get a good whiff of this simple mix .

    I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rbt View Post
    Sometimes the only way to find out is to try.

    Much hinges on how it's marketed (like any

    product). Axe I think did pretty well with it's commercials, even though it's not a pheromone product. I agree the

    Ammo scent is not unique or outstanding enough to make it a "boutique" product like Creed etc. (in fact I'm not all

    that impressed by it). But sometimes making a product the same as another successful product (at least in this case

    scent-wise) works better than making it too far off the beaten path. Yes it's a good product, but I too have had

    somewhat better results with AE and Chikara than Ammo so far.

    I would think they may be better off limiting

    sales to specialty shops over mass-merchandisers like Wal-Mart. The "costs" are too high. Plus it seems they have

    enough trouble keeping up with the manufacturing demand for their current level of sales, and producing the

    thousands of gallons of product necessary to supply a large market may overwhelm them. Just "filling the shelves"

    with basic stock in 1000's of stores is a challenge. Too much success can be worse than too little

    success.
    Jasmine mentioned that they will remain a R&D company and hand the mass production over to

    another newly formed company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifetransform View Post
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    mentioned that they will remain a R&D company and hand the mass production over to another newly formed

    company.

    And therein lies another problem. How much control will they have over the formula. Once

    these products get in the hands of big conglomerates, the products tend to get watered down.

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    i dunno, Ammo , i believe,

    has given me a great edge over guys who naturally have an edge through money or "jock physique".....with a aqua di

    gio cover, it has been a reliable and extremely potent hit producer

    [ and for some reason, after the bottle got

    too hot in the sun, i cannot get a decent response and appear to OD on it all the time....]

    still, at 5 foot 6,

    [and along with brilliant hits from Pheros/A1 combination, SOE/W on bisexual women, B-nol/ and A1 combination for

    the most consistent comfort builder with underlying sexuality.......].

    ...Ammo has really equalised the dating

    field for me.... and to have that advantage become mainstream is disturbing. so now guys with looks, money, height,

    build can also douse themselves in Ammo.
    luckily love scent has amazing products that more than make up for this

    loss. i mean if NPA went commercial, we'd really be in trouble aye?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremiahjames View Post
    i dunno,

    i mean if NPA went commercial, we'd really be in trouble aye?

    OMFG, don't EVEN joke about that shit man. if Edge/NPA went commercial I'd probably kill

    myself lol.


    another thing to note, Jasmine did mention that the mainstream Ammo will have a slightly

    different formula than the one being sold through their site right now. (possibly less powerful, less -none?)

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    I wouldn't sweat much "competition"

    from the "masses." Just because a product "goes commercial" doesn't mean it will be a widespread success. It would

    probably take an ad campaign as big as the Axe ones to make many inroads into the "public" market.

    After all, if

    I recall, Lure, Yes!, and Realm (or whatever it's called now) have been "commercial" for some time, and Pherlure

    seems to be pretty heavily sold, but none have become "mainstream." Plus you have to learn how to use the stuff,

    which I suspect most of the common folk (Wal-Mart types) won't comprehend.

    I'm pretty sure that anyone here

    will be able to run circles around any "commercial" user of a "commercial" pheromone product. Despite the

    advertising "commercials...."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rbt View Post
    I

    wouldn't sweat much "competition" from the "masses." Just because a product "goes commercial" doesn't mean it will

    be a widespread success. It would probably take an ad campaign as big as the Axe ones to make many inroads into the

    "public" market.

    After all, if I recall, Lure, Yes!, and Realm (or whatever it's called now) have been

    "commercial" for some time, and Pherlure seems to be pretty heavily sold, but none have become "mainstream." Plus

    you have to learn how to use the stuff, which I suspect most of the common folk (Wal-Mart types) won't comprehend.



    I'm pretty sure that anyone here will be able to run circles around any "commercial" user of a "commercial"

    pheromone product. Despite the advertising "commercials...."

    comforting words Rbt, thx.

    =)


    still, it comes down to a numbers game, like dating, the more people that know about it, the less edge we

    have.

    and jeremiahjames has a very valid point about equalizing the playing field. guys who are already

    genetically / financially / socially blessed can turn a weak pheromone product into an atomic bomb simply because

    they already got all that going for them. and no amount of NPA or soe or chikara is gonna be able to compete with

    that.
    cuz no matter how much more effective a certain product is over another, the effect is, honestly, subtle at

    best.

    the only REAL solution to level the playing field to have some rock freakin' solid field tested PUA

    skills under one's belt...imo.

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