I've heard any number of accounts of ODs from Chikara over the years. They can be unpleasant,Originally Posted by idesign
and I've experienced them myself.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
How much, and what was the reaction? I've always felt safe with Chikara, and the only neg I've
gotten is way too much chattiness.
Admittedly, I always play it safe and don't try to OD. My max dose is 1-2
sprays, usually layered with TE or A7.
Chikara alone at one or two does nix for me, even with a
spray of TE added.
I think i will just strap my balls down and go all out and give it a four spray blast alone, or
with an added spray of TE what do ya reccon ??
I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....
yes, I'm also very curious about the unpleasant reactions. so far I've experienced
nothing but positive enhanced effects of my original mix. the only OD I came close to was my own mood being
effected at 6+ sprays from the first test run, but it seems if I buffer it with a gallon of -nol products it all
works out nicely.
yah man, go for it. buffer it with tons of -nol like soe, or the instant line productsChikara alone at one or two does nix for me, even
with a spray of TE added.
I think i will just strap my balls
down and go all out and give it a four spray blast alone, or with an added spray of TE what do ya reccon ??
from 'the other place' and let us know what happens.
Sure thingyah man, go for it. buffer it with tons of -nol like soe, or the instant line products
from 'the other place' and let us know what happens.
LTF, i am out of SOE but i still have some CTTM 2 and also half a bottle of Spaceland that should buffer it up
enough.
The
last time i went to the dentist i had on like 5 sprays of Spaceland and the dentist would not shut
up,
this
was in a big dental hospital with scores of dentists and their assistants all in this one area like and this dentist
also burst out into song with a good base tena booming out he sure appeared really out of it and his female
assistant went as red as a beetroot and all the staff were laughing at him, he ended up pulling out nearly every
tooth i posessed that day lol....
Wear enough of this shit and it sure will have some remarkable effects that is for
sure.....
I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....
omg lol, I remember reading this dental story from 'other place'Sure thing LTF, i am out of SOE but i still have some
CTTM 2 and also half a bottle of Spaceland that should buffer it up enough.
The last time i went to the dentist i had on like 5 sprays of Spaceland and the dentist would not
shut up,
this was in a big dental hospital with scores of
dentists and their assistants all in this one area like and this dentist also burst out into song with a good base
tena booming out he sure appeared really out of it and his female assistant went as red as a beetroot and all the
staff were laughing at him, he ended up pulling out nearly every tooth i posessed that day lol....
Wear enough of this shit and it sure will have some remarkable effects that is
for sure.....
forum haha.
really makes me wanna try spaceland plus pot...
cttm2 is always a good chatty product, but wears
out too fast. I've found that instant openess is the most versatile in most situations, like Gegogi
suggested.
ever receive sexual or too-friendly hits from spaceland? or are the effects more like
laughing gas?
I was just going through
the forum again to see if I could find any hints as to what the 4 new pheromones are in chikara that makes it
enhance my mix so much...
no luck.
I have a strong suspicion that it's something close to P74 and P83, those
2 putatives seems to elicit similar reactions from people when I tested them, albeit not as smoothly and blatantly
detectable.
P74 - friendly, having fun, life of the party pheromone
P83 - inhibition reducing, impulse
encouraging pheromone
I have some mixes made up in atomisers Spaceland + NPA + Androsteroneomg lol, I remember reading this dental story from 'other place' forum haha.
really makes me wanna try spaceland plus pot...
cttm2 is always a good chatty product, but wears out too
fast. I've found that instant openess is the most versatile in most situations, like Gegogi suggested.
ever receive sexual or too-friendly hits from spaceland? or are the effects more like laughing
gas?
sorta like using npa+soe or alpha7+soe.
Certainly using the
stuff alone can produce some mindless motormouth so i now use it in mixes, or use it alone and add 1/4
aRONE.
2 Drops of Alpha7 and couple sprays Spaceland do it for
me good.
Alpha A314 @ 2 drops and Alpha 7 @ 1 drop is another
magic mix, very smooth attraction mix once conversation has been initiated.
I tried instant honesty but only had a 2.5 ml trialsize so needed more to evaluate its effects, I
was of the opinion that Instant Honesty may suit me better and produce more intimate conversation than instant
openess, seeing that IH is predominantly more betanol less alphanol probably produce less motormouth lol.
Last edited by terry0400-40; 02-05-2008 at 08:13 PM. Reason: correction
I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....
instant honesty works
better in 1 on 1 settings. I had on tons of IH when that girl stayed in my car and we chatted away for 4
hours.
I thought the same thing at first of IO, but then after some trials I realized that you need both IO and
IH to maximize the benefits.
IO does indeed encourage motor mouth, but that's not a bad thing, you can always
guide the convo towards more intimate topics. I prefer the girls to do most of the talking anyways, so I don't
have to reveal too much about myself, and they think that I'm a good listener. (another downside of IH, you really
have to watch what you say and not give away the farm...happened to me several times and I kick myself afterwards)
IH does not open girls up as well as IO, too intense and serious for breaking the ice.
these days, I use more
IO when I'm in a group setting and I'm noticing more girls initiate convos with me on their own. I bring a togo
IH with me and excuse myself to the restroom to apply it when I'm in 1 on 1 settings.
Really good information and fab presentation, had
ta give you + reps.
I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....
LT. Do you know the ratio of alpha
and beta -nol in each Instant product? I remember Spaceland is mainly alpha. IS is 30% beta. IO is 70%???
yup, somewhere along those
lines...
IS - mainly TAA, don't know if it has any -nols in it.
IH - 80% beta -nol
IO- 80% alpha -nol
CTTM2 -
50/50 alpha/beta -nol
spaceland...forgot lol
terry knows more about spaceland. =)
presentation, had ta give you + reps.
blush...
Just about 100% Alpha Androstenol with
possibly a small touch of stabiliser or fixitive if i recall.
My motivation for ordering it in the first
place as well as ordering Androsterone was to make my own version of Scent of Eros.
But i am not sure if SOE is a mix of beta nol
and Alpha nol + aRONE.
If SOE is a combo of the 2 nols, I dont think we will get the information regarding the ratios
ect, probably secret id say.
I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....
I remember seeing JVK post
the ratio of soe on the other forum not too long ago-
90% half half alpha beta -nol, 10% -rone.
I reserve
the right to be wrong.
Sounds ok, seems like it would be a workable combo, Had a few bottles of SOE and numerous g/pks, likeI remember seeing JVK post the ratio of soe on the other forum not too long ago-
90%
half half alpha beta -nol, 10% -rone.
I reserve the right to be wrong.
other good products sometimes very positive great results and sometimes nothing noticed.
It seems so that sometimes suitable
conditions and suitable targets come together at the correct times to get the best advantage of a product and or a
mix and sometimes they just dont line up, but when they do it can be a wonderful event and also awsome in its
perceived effects.
I am very happy with my results overall and as time goes by i find that one has gained the
intuition to mix and match pheromones to suit the best perceived windows of opportunity.
Im just waiting for the correct time to
apply my planned 4spr Chikara and 1spr TE blast.
I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....
Did you use ONLY these 5 sprays of Chikara,I got so many positive results today it's blowing my mind. I upped the dosage to 5
sprays today for experiment. went to class, nothing special happened at first, then we broke into groups for
discussion and boom all the IOIs started to pop up all over the place. first, I was the only male in my group so
that gave my mones plenty of room to work its magic. (it's interesting to note that all of the other groups were
either all male or all female, I was included in an all male group the last time we broke into groups, b4 I started
adding chikara in my mix)
the girls in my group ranged from 18-35+ and all were behaving very friendly towards
me, laughing at every little joke I made, giving me their full attention when I talked and welcomed my input,
constant eye contact, looking down and away, etc. these were the same girls that sat with me for the last 2 classes
and never paid any attention to me. I try some kino on all the girls and none of them seemed to mind, taking their
hand and touching their shoulders etc. at the of the class, one girl in particular stayed behind to chat with me and
walked me to my car(even tho she parked all the way on the other side of campus), then I drove her to her car and we
sat in the car and talked for about 4 hours till all the windows fogged up and she said 'oh it's totally titanic'
lol
suffice it to say, chikara obviously works better the more I apply. I will keep upping the dosage till I
start seeing OD reactions. 6-7 sprays for tomorrow!
or still in a mix?
always in a mix.
chikara doesn't work much on its own for some weird reason.
here's the typical mix I use day to day
in case you're wondering-
new version A314 - 3 drops, neck and wrist
Edge - 6 sprays, neck and chest
NPA-
2 dabs, wrist
instant honesty - 5 sprays, wrist and hair
instant openess - 7 sprays, chest and hair
come talk to
me2 - 4 sprays, neck and hair
instant shine 2x - 3 sprays, neck chest
chikara - 7 sprays, neck and chest
damn, my chikara bottle is
already down to 1/3 after 1 month of usage.
just ordered 3 more chikaras and 4 liquid trusts. hehe
so far, I still can't be absolutely certain liquid trust actually does anything, BUT...I've long ago
learned to trust 'coincidences' when it comes to matters of the mone.
went out on couple of dates with the girl
from class. she is responding well to my mix and my advances. on one of the dates we went to play pool and I
decided to add some liquid trust (6 sprays) in my mix to see if there's any difference in her reactions, ANY kind
of subtle difference to demonstrate that liquid trust does have some sort of effect.
well, at first she seemed ok
when we met up at a coffee shop, then we got into my car (enclosed space) and she started asking about some of the
scars on my hand- not a big deal, but she never noticed b4. then as we were playing pool, I'd grab her and kiss
her cheek and neck every chance I got. (when she sank a ball or miss or when I did something funny) everything was
going REALLY well, I felt she was becoming much much more comfortable with me. whereas b4 I was usually the one to
initiate kino with her - hold her, kiss her neck, hold her hand, brush her hair...etc, this time she started to put
her arms around my waist while I was aiming for a shot or give me a tiny peck on my cheek when I was holding
her.
I was emboldened by her behavior so I became really aggressive with my remarks and displays of sexual
arousal by her. I'd wait for her to bend over the pool table studying a shot and say "are you TRYING to turn me
on?" and she'd bounce straight up and acting really self conscious, yet never showing annoyance or anger, just
shyness.
or I'll get really into kissing her neck and she'd giggle and smile and eventually pull me off her and
say 'ok, ok, go play pool' with big grin.
again, I still can't be sure this is liquid trust, it might've
just been a logical kino escalation as that was the 3rd date we went on.
she did comment that she felt we were
moving kinda fast as we don't know much about each other but she really liked spending time with me, that was b4 I
added liquid trust, it was chikara and instant honesty at work.
will continue testing adding liquid trust with my
new chikara enhanced mix.
Last edited by lifetransform; 02-11-2008 at 02:54 AM.
"Estrogen increases the
effects of oxytocin, while testosterone mutes them and causes them to dissipate sooner, so women feel all
oxytocin's effects more strongly."
found this from a liquid trust dosage experiment review off google
search.
very interesting, I'll increase my dosage to 10 sprays next time and hug her real tight for a while to
make sure she's inhaling enough of the oxytocin. then we'll see if she behaves like she did on the pool
date.
also, does this mean oxytocin becomes more effective the closer a woman is to menstruation? cuz the
estrogen levels skyrockets during that cycle.
I started getting OD at 3 full sprays -- a real closed off reaction. At smaller doses by
itself it enhanced trust.
Please take what lifetransform is saying about CK as only his personal
experince, and not the experience of the typical user.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
yes, quite right. I require much higher
dosages to see the results I want and I don't OD easily.
It seems
that huge doses would overcome any effect of the wearer's skin and chem makeup. In such a case, a preponderance of
chemical -mones would completely overwhelm any natural signature. Given that a small dose of, say NPA, produces a
signature many times that of any natural output, I wonder where any benefit would be beyond a certain dose.
It
occurs to me that its the "target" who reads a -mone signature. General forum experience suggests that there are
limits to what, in general, a target can tolerate in terms of "power doses".
All that to say, I mean ask, have
you ever OD'd on any of your mixes?
Good to know Doc. My max has been 2 sprays, and I backed off from there both alone and esp in
mixes. I can do 2 sprays as a standalone, but dislike the chattiness. One spray with TE or A7 is nice.
yup, horrible OD experiences while testing one
of the experimental mix from 'the other place' called mx103 - a spray form of A314.
I used to go up to 10+
sprays of Edge (mostly applied on clothes) and never had much OD problems. I'm pretty positive I'm one of those
types that don't produce much natural -none.
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