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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex157 View Post
    But I think that he (Kasparov) just believe that Putin is bad.

    And since he fought against him he is good.


    The Democratic

    Party in the US is doing the same thing. Their central message is change from Bush. They do not talk in detail

    about what they believe. They will not say "We want to take more of your money in taxes and increase government

    control over every life". They say instead "We want to give you "free" healthcare".



    Quote Originally Posted by Alex157 View Post
    If he were a politician and could be able imagine what other

    people think, not he only, he would understand that people don’t want abstract free TV and abstract honest

    elections. They don’t want to be killed, raped and robbed under nice talking about democracy as in 90s. It

    seems that he is not able to understand it.


    Even the party officials

    of ‘democratic’ parties either have not a clue about it or affect ignorance since it is not useful for

    them. Democracy means internal elections in their parties and they want it as a wolf wants a ban on eating meat



    Why ‘needs’?

    We have already had a second one – Medvedev . By the way, Putin makes some attempts to create a second

    party. But people don’t want it – they prefer to have one real party, it more traditional for us

    Reading your words helps me understand better what I have been thinking. The weight

    and inertia of your history may be impossible to alter. The Russian desire for a strong central leader is a

    cultural enigma. With a leader such as Putin or (apparently) Medvedev, you have the security and safety of a Czar

    with the beginnings of personal freedom and economic prosperity.

    It raises another question: do you think the

    "average" Russian cares about politics in a pure sense? Of course everyone thinks about politics if they can see it

    effecting their life, but do you care about the structure of government or what its called?

    DrSmellThis asked an

    interesting question:

    "Is it possible to instill public safety and basic human rights while constructing a

    democracy in populations where lawlessness and corruption rule?"

    I think Putin has answered "yes". While he is

    not a real "democrat", he at least is moving away from certain vestiges of the past. What do you think?

    BTW,

    Colombia is an interesting study in security and democracy. What Uribe has done is nothing short of amazing. They

    still have problems with the FARC, but have turned the country around. Medellin's mayor, Fajardo, has done a great

    job in that city, former base of the now dead Escobar.

    My next question would be: to what extent do Russians

    desire a real democracy?

    Congratulations on your election Alexey. It was a tense moment waiting for the results.

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    The Democratic Party in the US is doing the same thing. Their central message is

    change from Bush. They do not talk in detail about what they believe. They will not say "We want to take more of

    your money in taxes and increase government control over every life". They say instead "We want to give you "free"

    healthcare".


    Well,

    our world is not perfect, neither the politicians are By the way, my sister lives in France and they really have

    first-class medical care there. It is free and in some sense resembles the Soviet one but many times better.



    Are you a Republican?



    Reading your words

    helps me understand better what I have been thinking. The weight and inertia of your history may be impossible to

    alter.





    I would say that it may be very long process.






    The Russian desire for a strong central leader is a cultural

    enigma. With a leader such as Putin or (apparently) Medvedev, you have the security and safety of a Czar with the

    beginnings of personal freedom and economic prosperity.

    And

    the main thing is that we have not necessity to think ourselves By the way, our parliament is called Duma as

    under the Czars. ‘Duma’ is made from a word ‘dumat’ - to think. Its task was to help the Czar to think. But it is

    not a parliament, of course





    It raises another question: do you think the "average" Russian

    cares about politics in a pure sense? Of course everyone thinks about politics if they can see it effecting their

    life, but do you care about the structure of government or what its called?


    No, not in the

    least degree. Our political ignorance is unlimited.






    I think Putin has

    answered "yes". While he is not a real "democrat", he at least is moving away from certain vestiges of the past.

    What do you think?




    I think that he understands well that there is not other way to rule

    modern Russians but the way he does. Maybe some time later democracy will be possible. I agree with him.




    BTW, Colombia is

    an interesting study in security and democracy. What Uribe has done is nothing short of amazing. They still have

    problems with the FARC, but have turned the country around. Medellin's mayor, Fajardo, has done a great job in that

    city, former base of the now dead Escobar.

    Well, many

    countries had a strong leader as a transitional step.





    My next question would be: to what extent do Russians desire a

    real democracy?

    Most of Russians don’t want democracy openly

    and say that they prefer autocracy, as for others I think that the absolute majority of them haven’t even a notion

    what democracy is. Again, I was communicating with our ‘democrats’ - it is something terrible.






    Congratulations on your election Alexey. It was a tense moment

    waiting for the results.


    Thank you, Greg. It was a bit nervous indeed and till the

    last moment we didn’t know who might win. But it ended well. They say that in some Northern districts appearance of

    electors was even a bit more than 100% because bears came to support their candidate (‘medved’ means ‘bear’ in

    Russian and ‘ev’ is equal ‘son’ in Robertson or Johnson).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex157 View Post

    Well, our world is not perfect, neither the politicians are

    By the way, my sister lives in France and they really have first-class medical care there. It is free and in some

    sense resembles the Soviet one but many times better.


    Free is

    never free. I don't want to pay the tax of a Frenchman.



    Quote Originally Posted by Alex157 View Post
    Are you a Republican?



    I am a "medved". I only come out of the forest when there is

    a candidate worthy of more than 100% of the vote. I have become weary of the forest.



    Seriously, I do not identify with "Republican". I would say Conservative with Libertarian

    underwear.


    Quote Originally Posted by Alex157 View Post
    And the main thing is that we have not necessity to

    think ourselves


    America has become such a place, but for

    different reasons.

    Your government has imposed rule for centuries, and you have had the "luxury" of life

    without the responsibility of political thought.

    In America, our history is founded on fiercely independent

    thinking and lively debate. However, the progression of socialist programs and ideals in this century has lead to a

    rather large bureaucracy of what you might call "program perpetuators". This has led to our current electoral

    system in which people try to avoid thinking about it at all costs. So you see, we are the same.



    Quote Originally Posted by Alex157 View Post
    By the way, our parliament is called Duma as

    under the Czars. ‘Duma’ is made from a word ‘dumat’ - to think. Its task was to help the

    Czar to think. But it is not a parliament, of course


    Our

    parliament is called "Congress", which means "collection" or "collective". As our system evolved over time, it has

    also taken on the meaning "idiot", or "collection of idiots". Its task is to collect and spend money, regulate

    bowel movements and approve of itself by
    salary increases

    and
    periodic controlled elections. It is no longer a parliament of

    course...


    Quote Originally Posted by Alex157 View Post
    Our political ignorance is unlimited.


    As for us, our

    unlimited ignorance is political.

    In fact, the more stupid the idea, the better chance it has for political

    popularity.





    Quote Originally Posted by Alex157 View Post
    I think that he

    understands well that there is not other way to rule modern Russians but the way he does. Maybe some time later

    democracy will be possible. I agree with him.


    many countries had a

    strong leader as a transitional step.



    Most of Russians don’t

    want democracy openly and say that they prefer autocracy, as for others I think that the absolute majority of them

    haven’t even a notion what democracy is. Again, I was communicating with our ‘democrats’ - it is

    something terrible.



    Its very interesting to

    read your comments Alexey. I'm beginning to understand the situation in your country, its been a long time since I

    studied Russia.

    Like you say, Putin, and his way of governing, is a natural progression in your development. I

    hope Medvedev takes you just a little further.

    Let me say, for all of us, we are very fortunate to have you as a

    member of this forum. Thanks for your interesting conversation.



    Quote Originally Posted by Alex157 View Post
    They say

    that in some Northern districts appearance of electors was even a bit more than 100% because bears came to support

    their candidate
    We have a similar phenomena in our elections. Sometimes dead people and family

    pets vote for their favorite candidate.
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    Alexey, how did you find this

    forum? Do you use pheromones? Are you here for the very enlightening political discourse? I'm just

    curious.

    Allow me a question. If you could move to America and live here as a citizen, would you do it? Why?

    What would you expect the differences to be?

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    Greg, I was a bit busy (we are formalizing our divorce with Yabloko party ) and

    am going to answer your previous post at the weekend.




    Alexey, how did you find this forum?





    Oh, a great place. Really. I hope that I’ll stay here for long.



    Do

    you use pheromones?




    I don’t even know what it is






    Are you here for the very enlightening political

    discourse?
    I'm

    just curious.






    Actually, I was looking for a forum for practicing my English.

    But it seems that I can find here more.





    Allow me a question. If you could move to America and

    live here as a citizen, would you do it? Why? What would you expect the differences to be?


    Well, it is a difficult question. To

    be frank, I would prefer to stay in Europe. I would like to live in Czech republic or something like this. That is,

    I would prefer to live in Russia, but sometimes I begin to think that it is impossible to live here.


    But I would love to have an American wife for learning English

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex157 View Post
    Greg, I was a bit busy (we are formalizing our divorce with Yabloko

    party ) and am going to answer your previous post at the weekend.


    No

    problem Alexey. Would you care to tell us more about your activities? It would be interesting to hear about. I am

    not KGB (can't remember the new name), so you can speak freely.



    Quote Originally Posted by Alex157 View Post
    Oh, a great place. Really. I hope that I’ll stay

    here for long.


    Your English is too good! My question

    "how did you find this forum" can be read two ways, and you answered the more colloquial (and difficult for

    foreigners) meaning of the phrase. I could alternatively ask "how did you discover this forum"?





    Quote Originally Posted by Alex157 View Post
    I don’t even know what it is



    Pheromones are the main point of this forum. You

    might want to read other areas of the forum and find out about the kind of people you're talking to.




    Quote Originally Posted by Alex157 View Post
    Well, it is a difficult question. To be frank, I

    would prefer to stay in Europe. I would like to live in Czech republic or something like this. That is, I would

    prefer to live in Russia, but sometimes I begin to think that it is impossible to live here.

    But I would love to have an American wife for learning English
    Its difficult for

    many (maybe most) Americans to understand how easy it is to live here relative to other countries. We complain and

    criticize a lot, for some good reasons, but not all of them are good.

    Our system is a 200 year old experiment,

    and today has no resemblance to its beginning. Honestly, I think we do not have the capacity to change the

    direction. However, there is nothing preventing me from living any life I choose and am able to make. Its becoming

    more difficult though.

    I am curious about your reason for saying "sometimes I begin to think it is impossible to

    live here (Russia)". Is it for reasons relating to daily life? Lack of opportunity?

    If you answer with a very

    long reply you will have good English practice, and we will have the benefit of very interesting reading. When

    your divorce is complete, of course.

    An American wife will teach you much more than English. But I am not

    complaining, quite the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idesign View Post
    Alexey,

    how did you find this forum? Do you use pheromones? Are you here for the very enlightening political discourse?

    I'm just curious.

    Allow me a question. If you could move to America and live here as a citizen, would you do

    it? Why? What would you expect the differences to be?
    I'm fond of this post. These are the kinds of

    questions we should be asking, even if they might seem a bit naive or ethnocentric.

    In my experience, people

    from abroad generally have a very nuanced view of America. It's not just a black and white situation of either

    "haters" (from terrible places, like FRANCE ) who buy into propaganda; versus "poor lost souls" and "tired,

    huddled masses" who yearn for the peace, freedoms and comforts of our "superior" lifestyle. Believing this really

    would be naive and ethnocentric.

    For every five Cuban soccer players seeking asylum, there are countless others

    who have very good reasons for preferring other places.

    What attracts me most to the US is that I am comfortable

    and familiar with the culture, and my family and friends are here. As it turns out, I think I'd feel isolated

    elsewhere. Otherwise, I'd look at about fifteen other countries for various reasons.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis View Post
    ...Otherwise, I'd look at about fifteen other countries for various

    reasons.
    Given a choice, Spain or France for me. I liked those places when I lived there before.
    Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.
    --Lazarus Long

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis View Post
    Otherwise, I'd look at about fifteen other countries for various

    reasons.
    Retirement isn't all that far off for me. Maybe a place with a nice sandy white beach where I can

    bring in a sailboat? Someplace with low taxes and a low cost of living and blue water close by...
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

    Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis View Post
    I'm

    fond of this post. These are the kinds of questions we should be asking, even if they might seem a bit naive or

    ethnocentric.

    In my experience, people from abroad generally have a very nuanced view of America. It's not just

    a black and white situation of either "haters" (from terrible places, like FRANCE ) who buy into propaganda;

    versus "poor lost souls" and "tired, huddled masses" who yearn for the peace, freedoms and comforts of our

    "superior" lifestyle. Believing this really would be naive and ethnocentric.

    For every five Cuban soccer players

    seeking asylum, there are countless others who have very good reasons for preferring other places.

    What attracts

    me most to the US is that I am comfortable and familiar with the culture, and my family and friends are here. As it

    turns out, I think I'd feel isolated elsewhere. Otherwise, I'd look at about fifteen other countries for various

    reasons.
    I like naive, to a point. Did you ever read or see "Being There"? The character Chance was

    ultimately naive, and had a simplicity in his approach to life and people that was completely honest, and likable.

    Of course that's an extreme.

    Ethnocentricity is unfortunate, like, ummmm, lack of education.

    I think you're

    right about the world's view of America. I think if you eliminate political and geographic boundaries, and just

    think of "people" around the world, the opinions about the US will pretty much line up with opinions among

    Americans. That's to say, some will be hyper-critical, and some blindly adoring, with most in the middle

    somewhere.

    I don't think the world hates the US, nor do I think we need to worry about "restoring America's

    respect", as some politicians are fond of saying.

    Bel, Doc and Jim, I'm with you guys. I'm thinking of a place

    where the mountains are less than an hour from the beach. I think I'd have to come back for lengthy periods

    though.

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    Idesign, Imeant it all as a

    compliment. "Seeming" naive or ethnocentric is different from being that. If I ask someone their opinion of my

    behavior to learn something about myself, it might seem self-centered on the surface. But it's not really. And what

    seems naive can really be open minded.

    Portland, Oregon is surrounded by huge mountains, ocean, rainforest,

    and desert, all within a 90 minute drive or less; in addition to being a great city, in terms of lifestyle, music,

    and culture. There is nowhere in the world quite like it, judging from the many comments of international travelers

    I've heard over the years. And it's right here in the good ole US of freakin A. There's ethnocentric for ya'.

    On the other hand, if you hate rain you are SOL here.
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