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    Default pheromones are totally useless to me

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    sorry for being honest, but after several years of different phero experimentation my overall result is zero

    (except that people complain how bad I smell).

    Last pheros I gave a try (during last year) are NPA, Pheromax,

    Alpha7, AE, APC, Edge Sandalwood. All combos, all dosages. Total result (with all my honesty): ZERO. period



    Please do not try to ask me usual question, yes I am normal guy in my 40's, not alpha, not wuss and all results I

    ever had from woman while wearing mones are 'you stink' or 'you stink like hell'. I tried to cover it with

    Armani Code for example, but without any use. I usually have satisfactory enough success with women, I tried to

    accelerate it with pheros.

    So for me this phero thing is over (after many years of my thinking that pheros do

    work). Looks like real fake/placebo industry. Do not wish to spoil your beliefs, but this post (and my

    dissapointment) is genuine and honest.

    thank you

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    I am sorry to hear that they

    didn't work for you but, based on your comments about stinking, I suspect part of the problem is wearing too much

    and possibly the wrong mones. Everything you list except APC is a high -none product. Some people, like me, cannot

    wear high -none products. You may be one of those, as well. APC has failed for more people than it has worked for so

    it's no surprise that it didn't work for you.

    Another issue may be your expectations or you may have

    personality issues (Not saying you do or don't. Listing possibilities). One thing is certain, there is more than

    enough clinical research data to demonstrate that pheromones DO work. I personally only believe a percentage of the

    hit stories I read here and attribute some of them to sheer luck or placebo effects. After all that, there is still

    a certain percentage that are very likely valid results that were aided by synthetic human pheromones. That they do

    not work for you only means that you have failed to use them correctly, in some manner, or other factors have

    prevented them from helping you.

    It's fine if you choose to not use them, they are only an aid under the best

    of conditions anyway. They will never be as important as your attitude, grooming and personality.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euro View Post
    Please do not try

    to ask me usual question, yes I am normal guy in my 40's, not alpha, not wuss and all results I ever had from woman

    while wearing mones are 'you stink' or 'you stink like hell'. I tried to cover it with Armani Code for example,

    but without any use.

    Ok then,
    a usual question would be how much did you apply of each

    product.
    Anyway I'd say your have been using far too much of whatever you use , like bel said some of use can only

    use a dab or so of high none products without getting the negative reactions you described. For example, I'm a 38yo

    white male that od's on less then one drop of PI/NPE/TE , others with similier statisics can happily wear 2 drops

    or even more with no problem. You'll probably find if you cut right back to dabs and test over a few weeks things

    will start working out for you, but thats not what you wanted to hear is it.
    early 40's white male or or

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaf View Post
    Ok

    then,
    a usual question would be how much did you apply of each product.
    Anyway I'd say your have been using far

    too much of whatever you use , like bel said some of use can only use a dab or so of high none products without

    getting the negative reactions you described. For example, I'm a 38yo white male that od's on less then one drop

    of PI/NPE/TE , others with similier statisics can happily wear 2 drops or even more with no problem. You'll

    probably find if you cut right back to dabs and test over a few weeks things will start working out for you, but

    thats not what you wanted to hear is it.
    When the day comes that

    women stop telling me that i smell sexy i will lose my faith in pheromones.


    When they stop snuggling into the exact area where i have sprayed Androstadienone then i will lose

    my faith in pheromones.


    When the girls stop sucking at my AE

    application site during mating then i will lose faith in pheromones.


    I dont get good solid hits every day with a proven mix applied but i do get reactions and on many

    occasions there are obvious hits leaving no room for doubt whatsoever.


    Every subject exposed to the influence of Pheromone has their own unique way of perceiving the

    experience and also in the reactions that they display towards how they are affected.


    The difference between a Phero novice and a pheromaster is being able to apply pheromones

    successfully and also in the ability to be able to recognise speech and body language effects upon target

    subjects.


    Using pheromones sucessfully is an art form that

    some learn very fast and for some it takes time, The mastering of Pheromone use will always be an ongoing process

    because of the many and varied situations and purposes that can facilitate the use of them, Ie whether it be for

    Trust, Seduction, Comfort, Status, Business, Dominance, Respect, Admiration, Attraction or just wanting to be

    noticed the list goes on, How many colours are there in the rainbow ?


    Given that we are all so unique and varied in age and physiology each with our own natural

    pheromone signature, what works well for one person may not necessarily work exactly well for

    another.


    Its good that we have buddies with shared interest in

    pheromones who we can sometimes swap something that may not be satisfactory, And there is always the option of

    returning the product to point of sale for refund or swap.


    And best of all we have a great facility at our disposal in the use and study of this great forum

    with its collective treasure of knowledge.


    Go

    Love-Scent You good thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by euro View Post
    Looks

    like real fake/placebo industry. Do not wish to spoil your beliefs, but this post (and my dissapointment) is genuine

    and honest.

    thank you
    Wow. So it didn't work for you, so the entire industry is a

    fraud?

    Come now.

    Its that kind of thinking that is probably why you aren't having success.

    I

    definitely agree you are using way too many -none products.

    APC never worked for me. Same with Pheromax. Edge

    produced negative results, as did PI.

    A7 I have inconclusive results with. I definitely don't get the same

    positive results with it that I get with A-1, C7, SOE, WAGG etc.

    I'm not sure why you would combine all

    those -none products, they are all doing the same thing.

    t depends on you and your body chemistry and who

    you are trying to attract. The problem with the field is that we are dealing with maybe 10% of the total knowledge

    we need to always be successful with pheros, so its a lot of trial and error a lot of hit and miss.

    Also I'm

    guessing you aren't American, where do you live and what type of women are you trying to attract?

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    well, everything needs time to

    work. u need to see where you are, who you are with and how u behave. If you walk into a club or something, perhaps

    things might turn out better since everyone is high on alcohol and the place is crowded.

    u need to initiate

    conversation so u can
    1) maintain close distance with the person
    2) buy time so she can get a good sniff of the

    pheromones
    3) be attracted by ur personality

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    One thing I have noticed

    is that you don't seem willing to take advice.It could also just be your personality,kind of like a lone

    wolf/agressor deal, which in that case would make high none products like APC/NPA/A7 terrible for you.I would advise

    something with -nol in it such as (Haven't tried it but heard it works) or SOE,that seems to create

    chattiness and erase personal space.I can vouch for SOE as yesterday I was at a party and I met a former co-worker

    who I haven't seen in a while.Anywho we did a little fluff talk then she turned chatty and giddy around me,so I

    knew it was working.Like half an hour later I went into a bedroom where some of my friends were and she was there

    too.I layed down on the bed with them,and then all of the sudden she put my head right on her lap!Not only that,she

    started unbuttoning my shirt and rubbing my chest!I couldn't take it any further though plus I felt like total crap

    yesterday(and I still do .).Like I said it creates chattiness and erases personal space so if you want to give

    it one last shot try something with -nol in it.

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    SOE works....but i got the hit

    from an old uncle who suddenly get very frenly with me like i have known him for yrs.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry0400-40 View Post
    When the day comes that women stop telling me that i

    smell sexy i will lose my faith in pheromones.


    When they stop

    snuggling into the exact area where i have sprayed Androstadienone then i will lose my faith in

    pheromones.


    When the girls stop sucking at my AE application

    site during mating then i will lose faith in pheromones.


    I

    dont get good solid hits every day with a proven mix applied but i do get reactions and on many occasions there are

    obvious hits leaving no room for doubt whatsoever.


    Every

    subject exposed to the influence of Pheromone has their own unique way of perceiving the experience and also in the

    reactions that they display towards how they are affected.


    The

    difference between a Phero novice and a pheromaster is being able to apply pheromones successfully and also in the

    ability to be able to recognise speech and body language effects upon target subjects.




    Using pheromones sucessfully is an art form that some learn very fast and for

    some it takes time, The mastering of Pheromone use will always be an ongoing process because of the many and varied

    situations and purposes that can facilitate the use of them, Ie whether it be for Trust, Seduction, Comfort, Status,

    Business, Dominance, Respect, Admiration, Attraction or just wanting to be noticed the list goes on, How many

    colours are there in the rainbow ?


    Given that we are all so

    unique and varied in age and physiology each with our own natural pheromone signature, what works well for one

    person may not necessarily work exactly well for another.


    And

    best of all we have a great facility at our disposal in the use and study of this great forum with its collective

    treasure of knowledge.
    Terry, it seems you've written a very well articulated

    manifesto, even eloquent at times. Bravo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idesign View Post
    Terry, it seems you've written a very well articulated manifesto, even eloquent at times.

    Bravo.
    Thank you Greg, Most times i dont mean to say much but then i start to

    think a little and before you know it im rattling on and on ha ha.


    It takes me a little time to figre out if i

    have left a clear message but generally i think people sorta ger ma drift, even so i seem to be repeating my self

    sometimes and posting the same advice in so many different ways, I think my writing style has inprovrd since my

    early days on the forum seeing i have had plenty of practice.


    Well its all good being a part of the great

    forum family of phero friends, I may have to get some tee shirts printed up for summer does phero mix sound ok ?

    I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....

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    Hi Terry, I agree with

    you.

    Pheromones are like make up, they can enhance us. But 'we' are still needed..
    You can put a lot of

    pheromones on a tree and it won't attract women...

    You still have to do your part. Men are known to take the

    initiative, so in most cases you have to take the needed "action". It works then I can tell you.
    Good luck! Do not

    be discouraged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdeanmartin View Post
    Wow.

    So it didn't work for you, so the entire industry is a fraud?

    Come now.

    Its that kind of thinking that is

    probably why you aren't having success.

    I definitely agree you are using way too many -none products.

    APC

    never worked for me. Same with Pheromax. Edge produced negative results, as did PI.

    A7 I have inconclusive

    results with. I definitely don't get the same positive results with it that I get with A-1, C7, SOE, WAGG etc.



    I'm not sure why you would combine all those -none products, they are all doing the same thing.

    t depends on

    you and your body chemistry and who you are trying to attract. The problem with the field is that we are dealing

    with maybe 10% of the total knowledge we need to always be successful with pheros, so its a lot of trial and error a

    lot of hit and miss.

    Also I'm guessing you aren't American, where do you live and what type of women are you

    trying to attract?
    not that I want to disturb or spoil nice community here. Above said are my personal

    observations based on my several years of experience with phero thing.

    I find myself quite intellignet and I

    know exactly what is message of some friendly posters here. By being equally honest, I tried many many phero

    variations/combinations. And yes, I know pretty much about psychology, seduction, what women want stuff etc.

    Conclusion is that I don't see pheromones as a real help toward this direction. I mean, who needs placebo, or

    liquid self-confidence booster? There are many better (psychological) solutions for this task.

    I am not saying

    that pheromones are fake industry, because too many researches claim opposite. I just think this industry is too

    elusive for ordinary Joe. What's the point in doing deep experimentations, trying out countless phero combinations

    in order to just little help raise chance with women. I mean, I you put equal effort in boosting your personality,

    success will be much more probable, and with greater certainity.

    I just came to the conclusion (personal one)

    that it isn't worth bothering that much with pheros. For sure, great majority of guys want simple help in

    approaching women, and pheros are not best thing for that.

    At the end, pheros may be ok for some, moderators

    here are very honest and friendly , but I didn't found pheros helpful so far. Which doesn't mean I know

    too much about this topic, those are only my (let's say educated) observations.

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    of cos personality plays a big

    part but things like SOE is to ensure u are able to keep her infront of u to know u better and u know her

    better....its like a catalyst...u can do without it but it will better with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belmont View Post
    ..u can

    do without it but it will better with it.
    That's the point precisely..

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    I was a little skeptic at

    first, i even read about people tryin mones and not having it work for them.. but i guess you just need to find what

    works for you.. Have you tried SOE.. that was the first mone product i purchased and i began noticing a difference

    the moment i wore it.. Since then i have expanded my collection because i can truly say that they do work..

    Good

    luck and i hope you find whats right for you

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    It works provided u make the

    initiative and perform your best to hitch the gals....they wun come to u like bees to honey...at least not in

    Singapore context...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman View Post
    Hi

    Terry, I agree with you.

    Pheromones are like make up, they can enhance us. But 'we' are still needed..
    You

    can put a lot of pheromones on a tree and it won't attract women...

    You still have to do your part. Men are

    known to take the initiative, so in most cases you have to take the needed "action". It works then I can tell

    you.
    Good luck! Do not be discouraged.
    Hey Superman, good to see you have

    flown in for a visit, i always appreciate your good sound knowledge and input.


    I dont think many of us would part with our

    hard come by money if we did not see the great benifits and entertainment that pheromones affords

    us.


    As they

    certainly do add that fine bit of lustre to our presence, but as you say we have to actually make the presentations

    in order to obtain the proof of the pudding.
    I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by belmont View Post
    It

    works provided u make the initiative and perform your best to hitch the gals....they wun come to u like bees to

    honey...at least not in Singapore context...
    HA ha so true belmont, I will

    look you up when i come to Singapore to check out the good local honey bees, ha dont worry ill bring some SOE,

    and Chikara
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    haha, maybe i can show u ard

    Singapore. do let me know when u are coming though....hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry0400-40 View Post
    Hey Superman, good to see you have flown in for a visit,

    i always appreciate your good sound knowledge and input.
    Thanks! As I do appreciate your

    fine words too ...

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    euro, too bad you've not had

    good results. Pheromones are a tool among other tools, and you're right that personal improvement counts for more.

    A critical tool is attitude, and after reading your old posts it seems like you had a negative attitude toward

    -mones from the beginning, or nearly so.

    I approach -mone usage light-heartedly, with no expectations and

    natural optimism. They work for me, not all the time but enough to know that they work. I'm also still working on

    the other things, some of which you mentioned. A little self-examination goes a long way.

    Thanks for your

    thoughts, its always stimulating to hear points of view.
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    Hey euro are you going to

    give them a 2nd try?

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    Quote Originally Posted by euro View Post
    sorry

    for being honest, but after several years of different phero experimentation my overall result is zero (except that

    people complain how bad I smell).

    Last pheros I gave a try (during last year) are NPA, Pheromax, Alpha7, AE,

    APC, Edge Sandalwood. All combos, all dosages. Total result (with all my honesty): ZERO. period

    Please do not

    try to ask me usual question, yes I am normal guy in my 40's, not alpha, not wuss and all results I ever had from

    woman while wearing mones are 'you stink' or 'you stink like hell'. I tried to cover it with Armani Code for

    example, but without any use. I usually have satisfactory enough success with women, I tried to accelerate it with

    pheros.

    So for me this phero thing is over (after many years of my thinking that pheros do work). Looks like

    real fake/placebo industry. Do not wish to spoil your beliefs, but this post (and my dissapointment) is genuine and

    honest.

    thank you
    Hey Euro,

    why do you not try SOE? SOE is known to get good results! Almost all

    products do you have used are High-None-products! Perhaps do you get better results with Nol-products!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuttgart-man View Post
    Hey

    Euro,

    why do you not try SOE? SOE is known to get good results! Almost all products do you have used are

    High-None-products! Perhaps do you get better results with Nol-products!?
    euro, perhaps you have a natural

    high -none output, don't need much -none at all and like stuttgart said, you'd do better with the -nols.

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    Default YES why not give them a go

    Euro Man, What the guys say is true, and i would say you could be in for a very

    real suprise if you were kitted up with some , SOE, and or possably some WAGG may suit you if the

    Androstenone products are not compatable to you.
    I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry0400-40 View Post
    Euro Man, What the guys say is true, and i would say you

    could be in for a very real suprise if you were kitted up with some , SOE, and or possably some WAGG may suit

    you if the Androstenone products are not compatable to you.
    It's a question of

    finding what's right/best for you.. not everyone's the same.

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    generally, SOE works but

    subtlely and u got to do the talking to get the gals....

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