Do you have the
documentation of pheremones to be listed as drugs?I definetaly don't consider them drugs by any stretch of the
imagination.
On
another discussion board, there was a thread on pheromones that came up. The poster who started it was quickly
double-teamed by two guys who at first didn't believe pheromones worked. After a while, the poster who started the
thread posted links to scientific articles via James Kohl's site. Then the poster was still double teamed. The
two guys attacking the other one are very anti-pheromone and they have said that using pheromones are equivalent to
using date rape drugs or dropping something else in a woman's drink without her knowing. They seem to be beating
the crap out of the other guy who insists that pheromones are not drugs and are not the equivalent of using date
rape drugs. I find the conversation interesting because I've never heard that pheromones are drugs. One of the
posters there said that pheromones have been classified by the FDA as drugs.
Do you have the
documentation of pheremones to be listed as drugs?I definetaly don't consider them drugs by any stretch of the
imagination.
Does he have
documentation?Otherwise its just bogus science.
No, he's just going by the
definition of drugs.
Glue and paint are other
substances that classifies as drugs if properly inhaled, but that doesn't say that it's illegal to cover yourself
in glue if you think that makes you a "chick magnet"
I'll quickly add that pheromones already exists
naturally in your body sweat and urine so it makes no sense to talk about drugs when you can actually produce the
same results with a big workout, avoid showering.
Let the non believers think what they will. Besides what are
they doing discussing things they don't believe in, and if they don't believe it works how come they think it's a
drug?
Several of the people who used
to post here got on the bandwagon about the FDA classifying pheromones as drugs. There was a lot of hype but nothing
ever happened with it. Pheromones are not classed as drugs by the federal government. A couple states talked about
it a while back but nothing ever came of it. Pure propoganda.
Pheromones as date rape drugs? That's the
best stupidity I've heard in a long time. Please, everybody that has had girls wildly humping them or semi comatose
from pheromones please raise your hand...Anybody...Somebody...?
Can you imagine if pheromones were like date
rape drugs? Don't shower for a week and have all the women chasing you.
Ignore it. It's ignorance talking.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Pheromones are addictive like
drugs according to my credit card lol. Just kidding I can't believe people think pheromones are drugs.
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I couldn't agree more.
I
mean, I can see why the ignorant people (ignorant at this matter that is) would be able to think
`mones might be like rape-drugs. I can see why the first impression of `mones being deceptive might come up in their
minds. I even had a girl-friend claiming (by words only) to loose interest in me after discovering a
`mone-related web-page in my browser history and assuming I use `mones (which was true but never mind that). She
felt I was decieving her; she never knew or never even bothered to ask how `mones work and she never got to realize
that without personality, humor, etc. the `mones are nothing (nothing that'll make a significant difference
anyway).
Those people fail to realize that exploration of the matter is requiered before they make up their
minds on it.
Let them think what they think - it's no buisness of ours I'd say.
Besides... That only means
there's one less person out there to use `mones and one more to count as our advantage anyhow
I can see
where they're coming from - still, it doesn't make it any less stupid
To me I see mones equal to being
dressed nicely or having a nice haircut or some intresting nice accesorie. These will all get a girls attention
etc... and give you better chances with that girl but they wont make her not function to the point where she cant
say no like the date rape pills.
Thats a newbies opinion
Isn't this just the whole
pheromones are only a tool argument?
They help maybe 5 - 10% of the 100% needed to get a girl. Just factors
like age, money, confidence, power etc. etc. If you don't have the other things going for you and at the very
least passable looks all the pheromones in the world won't be enough.
For me, they help break down the shyness
barrier both in myself and with women.
Just ask those idiots how
banning a substance that is naturally secreted by the human body would work. Police now have to carry next to their
cuffs hormone detection wipes.
Women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street with a bald head and a beer gut, and still think they are sexy.
this does raise an issue i was
intending to post. not that mones are a drug, that is indeed idiotic but what about the morality of using
pheromones? isnt it like...deceptive?
So far as I know, Pherin Corp. is
the only entity trying to develop the concept into something that would get the FDA's full
attention.
[url]http://www.expertopin.com/doi/abs/10.1517/13543776.11.10.1523?cookieSet=1&journalCode=etp[/ur
l]
This would probably depend on what claims were made for therapeutic use.
James V. Kohl
The Scent
of Eros
No more deceptive then fake boobs , short skirts , high heels
, lipstick , blusher.
The last two are designed to enforce the image thats shes turned on by you. Think about it
, what happens to a womans body when you make love? She blushes and her lips get full because she's sexually
excited.
Make up artists claim it enforces a youthfull (mateable?) look , I belive it has to do with an
evolutionary urge. We all want a healthy mate , hence "make up" to "prove" their worthyness to carry on the gene
pool.
Holy crap, don't expect another answer like that for a while...
Later.
JV Kohl ,
Are you working on any further products we may be interested in? I'm a big
fan of SOE so just wondering if you anything more planned for future release?
early 40's white male or or
In my personal
experience, many times the `mones actually give me more of the freedom needed to truly act different. It's not
deception - It actually does somewhat changes the person wearing them.
Well I guess it wouldn't be like
that for everyone, but for me personally - when I wear the right amount of `none & `nol mixture - it actually makes
me feel more responsible, and more self-confident... even when I'm just alone at home for no one to judge.
Besides... I also support the lipstick claim that gaf suggests.
P.S.
JVK, I read that paragraph you linked
and haven't understood half of what it says there. Does it have something to do with pheromones or just steroids?
The first thing that
catched my attention was that those two guys attacked the poster because (they believe) pheromones DO NOT work, but
then they attacked the poster because now they believe pheromones in fact DO WORK. They even go as far as to call it
a date rape drug.
So it's like no matter what weather it is, it still sucks.
It seems to me it was more a matter
of personal things and emotions than rational thinking.
Now the topic about pheromones as a date rape drugs is
worth a few more additional words.
For some reason I remembered red womans lingerie. I mean just how many helpless
guys where lured in by using it! Isn't it a date rape drug? You know, sometimes you still have to spend some time
experimenting with mones and mixing them before you can get even close to it!
I apologize for linking without thinking. The connection between
steroids and pheromones is that some steroids metabolize to species-specific pheromones, which then alter the
production of steroids in other members of the same species. This link, from their effect on steroid hormones in
others, is also the link from pheromones to their affect on the behavior of others.
I think that more people
may need to learn about steroid hormone metabolism before they can determine which pheromone-enhanced products might
actually benefit them.
I'm not sure that if I had to do it all over again, I would start the learning
process.
James V. Kohl
The Scent of Eros
Thanks for the
explanation JVK. I can't say I fully understand all the implications that link might have on the topic of `mones
vs. rape-drugs. But I surely do understand the basic idea now that you've explained it
I assumed steroids
might have a link with pheromones, but I didn't wanna rush into any conclusions.
Now I better understand it... I
think
So would it be right to say that by using `mones we might sometimes affect the steroid production
&\or steroid behaviour in other people? And if so, do you (personaly) think it has any moral implications?
I'm
not asking for a profesional opinion, as I recon that might be a tough nut to crack... Anyone who has a personal
opinion on the moral implications of the topic - feel free to answer the parts of my question you can
This effect occurs whether or not we use 'mones, because each of us
produces them. Production levels are somewhat determined by levels of steroid hormones, and production influences
steroid hormone-associated behavior in other people.
Pheromone-enhancement of an existing natural effect
has no more moral implications than use of make-up, or fragrance product use to enhance one's personal appeal.
However, an understanding of how much influence pheromones have on our sexual behavior has huge moral implications.
If you could explain a spouse's adulterous affair, merely by scientifically reasoning (e.g., that she/he was more
attracted to the pheromones of someone else--and perhaps had adapted to yours) you could compare human morality with
philosophies of morality in other species.
James V. Kohl
The Scent of Eros
Using
mones is the equivalent of wearing a Rolex watch or flashing the key to a fancy car. Women can sift through the
bullshit and see the real person. Good or bad. Sexy or nerdy.
It is the same as a woman wearing cosmetics or a
push-up bra. We are just looking for a way to set ourselves apart from the crowd.
Sweet Thing
I dont think 'mones are
equavlent to date rape drug. 'mone doesnt seem to work on everyone. Personally I think it does work, only each
individual responds differently to 'mones. Some may be more sensitive (to one particular 'mon or all) and some may
not. Everyone's reaction to 'mone also varies depending on when, where, how we apply the 'mones, and our own
characteristics and personalities.
To me, (though 'mone didnt seem to work on me 3 years ago) I think the
'mones work like aromas products. We know certain aromas (scent, oil, or any product that contain certain aromas)
help people to clam and relax, some excite, some help to focus...etc.
I believe by inhaling 'mones scent it work
on us (each at different level) somehow like aroma scent did.
There is also psychological impact on what we
believe or expect 'mones to do for us base on reading from all these informations or posts about 'mones on the
internet.
tenaciousBLADE, what you wrote about the girl who felt you were deceiving her by using the
'mones...somehow it remind me of those voo-doo dools or whatever love spell :P
Is EQ the way of covering-up one's incompetence?
Or is IQ the method of showing off one's insignificance?"
Thanks JVK
Those were
valuable pieces of info right there
I tend to agree with what you say about the extention, of natural
tools of our body, not being deceptive
haha. I see your point. It can even be percieved as romantic in some point of view - that I
wanted to attract her and used these... "love-spells" lol
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