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    Hi Everyone!

    I am a newbie here and glad to be aboard. (40 y.o. male, good looking, very fit, semi-alpha)

    I

    had read through the forums extensively and received my first order a few days ago (PI, SOE, A1; all unscented) to

    begin my explorations.

    I have an extremely sensitive sense of smell. I am always the first in the room to smell

    a fart. Seriously, I've never known anyone to be able to pick up a scent that I can't. So imagine my surprise when

    I put my first drop of PI on my wrist and couldn't smell a thing. No muskiness. No notes of urine. Nada. This is

    concerning to me because I was counting on the strong odor as a guide to avoid OD'ing.

    So the next day I tried

    two drops rubbed into my forearms. A female friend came over about 30 minutes later and I asked her if my arms

    smelled "funky" at all. She took a good whiff right up against my arm and said she couldn't smell a thing.

    So,

    I suppose there are a few alternative explanations at this point:
    *Two drops still isn't above the threshold for a

    strong -none odor.
    *Both me and my friend are genetically unable to detect -none (is that possible in women

    too?)
    *this batch of PI is weak

    Any ideas? Suggestions for further testing?

    Gratefully,

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    CAT,

    the new version of PI

    supposedly doesn't have any scent. I guess everyone is noticing that... Even people like you " Sharp NOSES " ...



    The best part is wheN you apply .. probably the effect you might consider is a placebo effect when people give you

    stare looks .....

    But then it also effect ownself if you overdose it or apply close to your nose. It gives an

    indication that there is something in this product. Now it has to BE NONE but I don't understand of what grade and

    kiNd ... Maybe that is what you have to explore ..

    Best of luck .. and keep us updated ... unless someone goes

    and LAB tests the stuff ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherid
    CAT,

    the new version of PI supposedly doesn't have any scent. I guess everyone is noticing

    that... Even people like you " Sharp NOSES " ...

    Best of luck .. and keep us updated ... unless someone goes

    and LAB tests the stuff ..
    I've been doing more research, wearing the same combination this past week:

    2 drops PI rubbed into sides of neck, 8" of SOE rolled onto front of neck, and 2 drops of A1 rubbed into forearms.

    Each time I've asked at least one woman to sniff my neck closely and let me know what she smells. Nobody has

    detected anything, except for one friend who said I smelled a bit like fried fish.

    So I'm wondering what is

    happening with the -none in this PI. I thought -none has a distinctive odor, even if it's pure. I would love to

    hear some other ideas/comments on this topic, at least as a reality check. Who else is using a recent batch of

    unscented PI and what have you noticed about the odor?

    Thanks!

    -CAT


    P.S. By the way, I've been

    getting some reasonable hits... and I also wore this combo to a dance venue where I'm usually a popular partner,

    but that night amany people stayed away-- I think my combo might have been over the OD level for a setting with such

    close proximity and body heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAtriathlete
    I've been

    doing more research, wearing the same combination this past week: 2 drops PI rubbed into sides of neck, 8" of SOE

    rolled onto front of neck, and 2 drops of A1 rubbed into forearms. Each time I've asked at least one woman to sniff

    my neck closely and let me know what she smells. Nobody has detected anything, except for one friend who said I

    smelled a bit like fried fish.

    So I'm wondering what is happening with the -none in this PI. I thought -none

    has a distinctive odor, even if it's pure. I would love to hear some other ideas/comments on this topic, at least

    as a reality check. Who else is using a recent batch of unscented PI and what have you noticed about the odor?



    Thanks!

    -CAT


    P.S. By the way, I've been getting some reasonable hits... and I also wore this combo to

    a dance venue where I'm usually a popular partner, but that night amany people stayed away-- I think my combo might

    have been over the OD level for a setting with such close proximity and body heat.
    Don't worry yourself

    about not smelling anything ... it's the way it is. I can't smell anything either, but I know PI works.

    As for

    the dance ... how long in advance did you apply? Remember, a new mone signature may cause concern for those that

    already know you. Just think, all of a sudden, you seem/smell aggressive!

    You can also apply your SOE

    first, apply your two drops of PI, and hit your PI spots with some quality smell-you-good (colonge). Just another

    experiment idea.
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    Default androstenone anosmia

    Some people

    cannot smell androstenone (the phero in PI). Several studies show this. Also some people are super-smellers and can

    detect very small concentrations. If you're interested in the science, google "androstenone sensitivity anosmia" or

    some such and you can read all about it.

    They've also found some people who cannot initially smell

    androstenone can gain the ability to smell it by repeated exposure. So even though you can't smell it now you may

    be able to at some later time.

    Sounds like you're in danger of an od, since you can't smell it on yourself

    you may be overwhelming any super-smellers you encounter. Follow the instructions and err on the side of caution, or

    find a helper who can actually smell it to tell you when you've applied too much.

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    They've also found some

    people who cannot initially smell androstenone can gain the ability to smell it by repeated exposure.
    I think it may even work that way for those that can smell it. I was able to detect androstenone

    from my first wiff of TE. I thought, "damn, that smells just like my old college roommate's armpit!" Nevertheless,

    with almost daily use, I have become increasingly senstive to the funk and had to cut down my dose, although I have

    difficulty ODing. The stink just bothers me much more than it used to.
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    Well to me it seems the

    opposite..
    At first NPA bothered me really much but now I don't really care all that much..
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    Check to see if you might have

    accidentally gotten the women's Primal. I think it says "for her" on it and the pheromone content part on the

    front says "guaranteed 11 mg androsteNOL and copulins" or something like that, rather than the men's "5mg

    aNONE".

    The women's has virtually no pheromone smell. 1 out of 4 guys can't small aNONE, and nobody can smell

    it straight from the bottle, but once you rub it in a little, most folks can smell that urine/BO smell.
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    Bruce with my bottle of PI/M

    there is no scent at all either even after you rub it. It still says 5mg NONE.

    You think that there is something

    wrong. I asked my friends to do the smell test also but no one can pick any smell ....

    I am in doubt ....



    Pls. advice ..

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce
    Check to see if you might have accidentally gotten the women's Primal. I think

    it says "for her" on it and the pheromone content part on the front says "guaranteed 11 mg androsteNOL and copulins"

    or something like that, rather than the men's "5mg aNONE".

    The women's has virtually no pheromone smell. 1 out

    of 4 guys can't small aNONE, and nobody can smell it straight from the bottle, but once you rub it in a little,

    most folks can smell that urine/BO smell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherid
    Bruce with my

    bottle of PI/M there is no scent at all either even after you rub it. It still says 5mg NONE.

    You think that

    there is something wrong. I asked my friends to do the smell test also but no one can pick any smell ....

    I am

    in doubt ....

    Pls. advice ..
    I received my PI from L-S in August

    2006, I have used the stuff in all manner of configerations, and i have never ever noticed any effect from it,

    either on myself or anyone else, i cant smell it when applied alone, and neither can any of the many females that i

    have also asked to have a sniff, My 10ml bottle says 5 mg Androstenone GUARANTEED, oh and it also had a red spot

    sticker on the bottle, I still have 3/4 bottle left for what it is worth, I certainly will never buy it again, not

    unless it undergoes a dramatic change, maby the xxx Attract version might work ?But i will stick to my NPA as my

    singular none product for now, at least it pays its way..
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    I'm beginning to think Primal

    isn't the quality product that it used to be. I encourage folks to switch to Alpha 7. The idea with that product

    was to offer a higher quality product of the same general type. It has 6mg of androstenone vs. Primal's 5, AND 1mg

    of androsteRONE thrown in for a total of 7mg.

    I highly recommend switching to that product. We have never gotten

    a complaint on it or a returned bottle I don't think.

    NPA has always been a reliable work-horse. That is a

    product we have control over though. Primal, we just buy and sell it. That said though, we guarantee everything.

    Anyone with a bottle of unscented men's Primal that apparently has no noticeable pheromone smell to it, I would

    love to have you trade it in for a bottle of Alpha 7.

    B
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce
    I'm beginning

    to think Primal isn't the quality product that it used to be. I encourage folks to switch to Alpha 7. The idea with

    that product was to offer a higher quality product of the same general type. It has 6mg of androstenone vs.

    Primal's 5, AND 1mg of androsteRONE thrown in for a total of 7mg.

    I highly recommend switching to that product.

    We have never gotten a complaint on it or a returned bottle I don't think.

    NPA has always been a reliable

    work-horse. That is a product we have control over though. Primal, we just buy and sell it. That said though, we

    guarantee everything. Anyone with a bottle of unscented men's Primal that apparently has no noticeable pheromone

    smell to it, I would love to have you trade it in for a bottle of Alpha 7.

    B
    I just tried to PM you re

    the above but i was refused access,nevertheless i have 3/4 of the unscented PI that i would like to send back, and

    do the trade on the Alpha 7, if i had the adress, and facility for paying the difference, also i do not mind paying

    the difference, as i am not after a freeby, and i appreciate the consideration and great service offered here at

    Love-Scent as your standard.. Thank you Bruce if you can facilitate. terry PS i have found the adress

    and will ship it to L-S with a letter..
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    Send an email to

    bruce(at)love-scent.com and I'll get you fixed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce
    Send an email

    to bruce(at)love-scent.com and I'll get you fixed up.
    Thank you Bruce, i already sent

    the bottle off thismorning to L-S PO Box 402 Hotchkiss CO 81419. i did include a letter stating a rough outline of

    these details for whoever gets it. Thank you Really 1st class ***** for service. PS i hope i sent to

    correctaddress,lol PLS click on pics to enlarge...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce
    ...nobody can

    smell it straight from the bottle, but once you rub it in a little, most folks can smell that

    urine/BO smell.
    very very very interesting point you make Bruce!! I notice when I rub my PI application

    spot, I can even Od, even if I only had some residue that day.

    sometimes when I'm not getting results or want

    a chick's attention, I simply scratch my application spot, and whammo, it works.

    By the way, I have the exact

    same bottle of PI that terry has, with the red dot (i think i ordered around the same time also) ...and anyway, mine

    works like

    but the rubbing thing definitely makes a difference. i still can't smell PI regardless of the

    rubbing or not, but I can smell NPA very well. the only thing I smell when i wear PI is a sewage/maneur smell and

    only at certain points in time. but with NPA I can def. smell the urine scent

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    oh, and LOL @ that picture,

    terry... they don't deliver mail with horses any more in America hahaha ..not sure what the horses one is implying?

    haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by smooth312
    oh, and

    LOL @ that picture, terry... they don't deliver mail with horses any more in America hahaha ..not sure what the

    horses one is implying? haha
    They must be a little more advanced than us here in

    Australia. no actually our post guys deliver to homes on a small motor scooter, most usually a little Honda. But

    when i went to the PO to post my PI to Hotchkiss CO 81419. well as i did not put USA they said where is it going, i

    thought is was Canada, they were not sure so we took a guess and i put USA, and upon arriving home i did a little

    research to see if it was correct, and in doing so i uncovered the pics and i also learned a little about the

    geography and history of the area and also of Colorado, and it really appears as a really beautifull area rich in

    history and also the inhabitants appear to be good and cultured folk, so anyway i posted a pic of the pony express i

    think, but i can understand that some postal deliverys are probably more efficient on horseback, maby Mountain jim

    carries some mail up the rugged mountain passes and across the streams where a motor bike would not dare venture ha

    ha . It seems that the pony express does not seem to slow the Pheromone deliverys down though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smooth312
    very very

    very interesting point you make Bruce!! I notice when I rub my PI application spot, I can even Od, even if I only

    had some residue that day.

    sometimes when I'm not getting results or want a chick's attention, I simply

    scratch my application spot, and whammo, it works.

    By the way, I have the exact same bottle of PI that terry

    has, with the red dot (i think i ordered around the same time also) ...and anyway, mine works like

    but the

    rubbing thing definitely makes a difference. i still can't smell PI regardless of the rubbing or not, but I can

    smell NPA very well. the only thing I smell when i wear PI is a sewage/maneur smell and only at certain points in

    time. but with NPA I can def. smell the urine scent
    I was rubbing mine as well as all

    sorts of applications and still zilch, ow well its on its way back now and 3/4 full still, i wonder if bruce can get

    it tested for potency ? I dont have any trouble getting a reaction with NPA alone, still it is dynamic with SOE

    combined really puts a big smile on my face everytime, I put a few dabs of Androstadienone above my top lip the

    other night and after it dried down i was getting a good whiff every now and then, i like the smell, but i wont be

    putting it there again because i had an unusual nightmare and was so glad to wake up, ha ha silly things i do all

    for the cause, pheromone experimentation... all good fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce
    Send an email

    to bruce(at)love-scent.com and I'll get you fixed up.
    Thanks Bruce, i will drop you a

    line. Much appreciated..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce
    I'm

    beginning to think Primal isn't the quality product that it used to be. I encourage folks to switch to Alpha

    7.
    The idea with that product was to offer a higher quality product of the same general type. It has 6mg

    of androstenone vs. Primal's 5, AND 1mg of androsteRONE thrown in for a total of 7mg.

    I highly recommend

    switching to that product. We have never gotten a complaint on it or a returned bottle I don't think.

    NPA has

    always been a reliable work-horse. That is a product we have control over though. Primal, we just buy and sell it.

    That said though, we guarantee everything. Anyone with a bottle of unscented men's Primal that apparently has no

    noticeable pheromone smell to it, I would love to have you trade it in for a bottle of Alpha 7.

    B


    This is not good.

    Bruce, do you by any chance know what the idea was in adding the -Rone to A7?



    Along with NPA, I transfer my PI to a Visine bottle.
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    I dont know what Bruce would say re the 1mg androsterone in the Alpha 7. My guess is that the

    aNONE gives off the matcho dominant aura, and the aRONE adds a little touch of a protection and reliability (

    gentleman ) into the final equation.. I also have a small bottle of 98% pure Arone, and i know by experience that

    several drops of this mixed with Anone works exceedingly well in general, I had a weeks casual work last year and

    the several women i was working with were responding very nicely to my aNONE application, But on the last 2 days i

    added the few drops of aRONE and ZAMMO WHAM man i will never forget the way these girls went from "We really like

    you terry" ... TO... "We adore you terry, and will do anything for you" Because they started anticipating my every

    need in advance, it was sort of embarassing the way they were trying to force their attention upon me. So i have

    learned just how a little magic can transform a reserved and quiet woman. So i would imagine that the creator of

    Alpha 7 had a good idea what he or she may have been doing in adding the Arone into the formula. bloody good move i

    would say..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce
    I'm beginning

    to think Primal isn't the quality product that it used to be. I encourage folks to switch to Alpha 7. The idea with

    that product was to offer a higher quality product of the same general type. It has 6mg of androstenone vs.

    Primal's 5, AND 1mg of androsteRONE thrown in for a total of 7mg.

    I highly recommend switching to that product.

    We have never gotten a complaint on it or a returned bottle I don't think.

    NPA has always been a reliable

    work-horse. That is a product we have control over though. Primal, we just buy and sell it. That said though, we

    guarantee everything. Anyone with a bottle of unscented men's Primal that apparently has no noticeable pheromone

    smell to it, I would love to have you trade it in for a bottle of Alpha 7.

    B
    Hi Bruce,

    The PI I

    received says 5mg -none guaranteed and has a green dot on it. At this point I've had at least half a dozen people

    take a good whiff of my forearms with two drops of this PI rubbed in, and nobody can smell a thing.

    I bought PI

    for the pure -none, because I am experimenting by mixing it in different proportions with SOE (which of course

    already has -rone in it) because that seems like a highly rated mixture on this forum. But if you have more

    confidence in A7 over PI, then I will consider trading it in. So I'd like to hear what everyone thinks: Is A7 a

    good substitute for PI to mix with SOE?

    Thanks!

    CAT

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    CAT,

    Yeah, I would trade it in

    for a bottle of UNscented A7. It is a far better product. I'll answer your email with the details. Basically,

    you just send it back and request the exchange. I'll tell Tammy to expect it.

    B
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    Thanks Bruce & Everyone,



    I have sent the PI back to exchange for A7. I will report back when I receive it to see if I or any of my sniffing

    friends can tell the difference.

    This whole topic begs the question: why would there be such a variation in

    stink from different manufacturers & batches of -none? Is it impurities? Metabolites? You'd think that most

    products are fairly pure and would carry relatively similar odors. ANy thoughts?

    CAT

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    If they can't smell the A7, you

    will know for sure it is something with their noses. A7 is very consistent. Keep us posted.

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    Default Be careful what you wish for!!!

    I took Bruce's advice and traded my unscented PI (with no odor detectable by me) for some unscented

    A7. Speculation has been either that I can't smell -none, or that the PI quality is questionable lately.

    So I

    open the bottle of A7 and give a whiff. Hmmm... maybe a bit of a smell.

    I put one drop on my forearm and rub it

    in... WHAMMO! Strong smell of musk... um, urine... um, musk.. um, armpit... Clearly I can smell the -none, and

    frankly it doesn't smell very good, but actually not too bad either. But the scent is strong.

    So I take a hot

    tub, and the smell was still there... wow, this stuff is persistent! Then I go for a swim at the community pool--

    strongly chlorinated which usually overpowers anything-- and it was still there! Now it's the next morning and the

    scent has softened some but I can still smell it if my forearm gets in the vicinity of my nose.

    I can see I am

    going to have to be careful with this stuff. The potential for OD is serious.

    Has anyone tried diluting this?

    What kind of oil-base is good for dilutions? Also, what are the mildest complementary cover scents for this (I

    really don't like cologne, so I am looking for an essential oil)?

    Thanks in advance for any feedback or

    advice.

    CAT

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAtriathlete
    I took

    Bruce's advice and traded my unscented PI (with no odor detectable by me) for some unscented A7. Speculation has

    been either that I can't smell -none, or that the PI quality is questionable lately.

    So I open the bottle of A7

    and give a whiff. Hmmm... maybe a bit of a smell.

    I put one drop on my forearm and rub it in... WHAMMO! Strong

    smell of musk... um, urine... um, musk.. um, armpit... Clearly I can smell the -none, and frankly it doesn't smell

    very good, but actually not too bad either. But the scent is strong.

    So I take a hot tub, and the smell was

    still there... wow, this stuff is persistent! Then I go for a swim at the community pool-- strongly chlorinated

    which usually overpowers anything-- and it was still there! Now it's the next morning and the scent has softened

    some but I can still smell it if my forearm gets in the vicinity of my nose.

    I can see I am going to have to be

    careful with this stuff. The potential for OD is serious.

    Has anyone tried diluting this? What kind of oil-base

    is good for dilutions? Also, what are the mildest complementary cover scents for this (I really don't like cologne,

    so I am looking for an essential oil)?

    Thanks in advance for any feedback or advice.

    CAT
    Hey CAT hi, the fragrance of my unscented Alpha 7 is also very enduring, i dont really mind

    because i like it, and that is all that matters, I went out yesterday with one drop applied under my ears and no

    cover scent, just raw A7 alone. At the market there was a 50% off everything in one of the supermarkets that is

    closing down, so as i am collecting a few essentials, within the crowded areas i am getting so many appologies from

    people its uncanny, and ha ha and several babys also smiling at me, and reaching out to me, some even saying dad da,

    some mothers were smiling at me and others werent so amused ha ha, this A7 sure has a lot of potential. But please

    if you can CAT check this out with yours, as my applications of the A7 seem to produce a very nice feeling for me as

    being cool calm and collected and with sutch an energy boost, this stuff is a real feel good product, for me at

    least, so please take note and let us know if you are also feeling any positive effects from your applications,

    thank you. terry.
    I AM. Out of my mind .... .... ....

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