Does anyone know definitively of the concentration (either IU or mg/ml) of oxytocin in liquid
trust??
I wonder if they use synthetic (>95% purity) or enzymatically-producted oxytocin..
Can someone shed
some light on the subject please?
Does anyone know definitively of the concentration (either IU or mg/ml) of oxytocin in liquid
trust??
I wonder if they use synthetic (>95% purity) or enzymatically-producted oxytocin..
Can someone shed
some light on the subject please?
I would say it cant be much
if you look at the following
link:
http://www.prospec.co.il/~prospec/cart/customer/search.php?substring=oxyt&source=GoogleA
d&agent_camp=8238001&agent_bann=8241001
Our price: $ 50.00 /5 mg of Human Oxytin and with
the price were giving it can't be high.. But as many other "pheroes" (I dont know if I can call oxytin a phero)
small amounts is needed else it will cause terrible results like OD'in..
And if you read further down:
Lyophilized Oxytocin although stable at room temperature for 3 weeks, should be stored desiccated below -18 C.
Upon reconstitution Oxytocin should be stored at 4 C between 2-7 days and for future use below -18 C. For long term
storage it is recommended to add a carrier protein (0.1% HSA or BSA).
Does this mean that our LT only
lasts 3 weeks in room temperature? And if we wanna keep it more than 3 weeks it should be used after that it should
be stored between 4 and -18 degree Celcius?
Wow.. thanks
for that link! we had done some with with oxytocin and got it from Sigma-Aldrich for $138 / 5mg..
RE: storage
temp: this is the storage temp if it's stored as a powder. If it's dissolved in a solution (I.E. liquid trust)
then this is no longer applicable.
I still need to know of the concentration of oxytocin in LT.. anyone??
But will the oxytin still "live/survive" room temperature after a month in this "heat"?Originally Posted by Archetypical Hybrid
(HEC)
wow thats really intresting! so do you think LT will last pretty long, if i just left it in myOriginally Posted by Archetypical Hybrid
(HEC)
car for a while?
oh and , what else are you brewing up right now? btw
As many people report major success with certainoh and
, what else are you brewing up right now? btw
combinations, the current school of thought is to fuse such combinations together into one convenient package..(I.e.
AQ + LT)
BTW slick... AQ is totally different from Chikara - different formula, different manufacturer,
etc..
**Does anyone know how to quantify the concentration of a peptide-complex?? *scratches head*
Read this interview with one of the
dudes from vero labs , he states the concentration is a "trade secret"
http://kuchinskas.typepad.com/hug_th...iew_with_.html
early 40's white male or or
My guess is that the concentration is
"homeopathic".
In other words, almost no oxytocin at all.
if i may sugest something, do
you think you can you can brew something up thats sorta like a combanation of AE + masters.
its just a
suggestion and it dosn't really matter if you make it or not as i do my own mixing with it. but i just like to say
that, its a really good mix. i think thats just what im going to buy from now on, as i havn't found anything else
thats better then this (i'll also buy NPA of course) and the last couple of things i brough hasn't really worked
for me.
here is the break down of the stuff i have tried.
ae, masters, NPA= love them
chikara = its
alright makes me feel like a smart ass and i like to teach people stuff when i wear it
KZI testing kit = fave
one was the 5:1 as i got some decent results with it so i migh try that alpha 7 down the road.
lucky 7 chem set
= awsome as i can make anything with it, i ended up makeing my own ae (2:1.5:1) with a dash of other mones like A1
and estra. but i had to order the real ae and other stuff as my lid for the nol broke because it was on too tight
and now i got no more nol.
wagg and soe= did what it was suppose to do, but their vibes and my personality
didn't match that much.
LT + TE = still messing around with it, i see some potential but still havn't found
the right dose.
NOTE THAT
i'VE STARTED A NEW THREAD FOR NEW PRODUCT SUGGESTIONS.. Please post all suggestions in this thread!
Slick: do you
think that you or others would be interested in some free reagent-grade-solution mones, to facilitate any
development of new formulas to which you could report? (I.e. 25ml of nol Vs. 5ml chem-set?) - this would probably
require a NDA...
EDIT: So, in a nutshell those who qualify could be sent a free "development-kit,"
directly from love-scent with Bruce's approval..
This would include:
- NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT
-
25ml of each of the mones
- 50ml of SDA40B ethanol
- 100ml of propylene glycol
- Test tubes / Vials
- Mixing
bottles
- Pipettes / extraction bulbs
- Designer cologne oils
- Small notepad to record results
P.S. This
isn't stamped and approved yet.. Awaiting Bruce's authorization
P.S.S. It might even be structured
so that a small deposit might be paid to love-scent initially, which could be refunded upon return-receipt of the
notepad..
Last edited by Archetypical Hybrid (HEC); 01-10-2007 at 11:29 AM.
sure, i would love to help,
and i have alot of experiance working with mones now.
if you want to send me the contract after i give you my
email (which will be around friday as i got to go througe my old acount still) i'll look over that stuff and see
where it goes from there.
edit* oh yeah, also, if you can sum up how to use the ethonal and mones in like a
little paragraph it would be great (use examples if you can cause i can comprehand things better with examples) as
to tell you the truth, i dont have any experiance doing that.
hey HEC you didn't
answer
But will the oxytin still "live/survive" room temperature after a month in this "heat"?
This is
because I don't want to ny LT goes to waste.. Im here talking about my LT where its liquid..
To be totally
honest I believe the effect of liquid trust is due to the placebo effect.. Oxytocin has really only been shown to be
active when it is directly inhaled nasally as a spray (and is a prescription only drug when used as such).. It's a
very large, conglomerate molecule and so it would be very difficult to get it into the air as a vapor..
Does it
actually work as marketed? I find it hard to believe.
But as far as stability: Yes, high temps should be
avoided, as the protiens in peptide-complexes (I.e. oxytocin) often denature at higher temperatures..
I should think that Vero Labs would have incorporated some sort of preservative to hinder this, but it seems not...
So in a nutshell avoid high temperatures and direct sunlight exposure.
de·na·ture
(dē-nā'chər)
tr.v., -tured, -tur·ing,
-tures.
- Biochemistry.
- To cause the tertiary structure of (a protein) to unfold, as
with heat, alkali, or acid, so that some of its original properties, especially its biological activity, are
diminished or eliminated.
To preserve maximum stability, I would recommend storage in a household
freezer (the formula contains alcohol, so it won't freeze to ice). Don't leave it in your car's glovebox for very
long and expect it to still be active (if it even is at all from the get-go).
Oxytocin is not a protein. It is a peptide made of only 9 amino acids.Originally Posted by Archetypical Hybrid
(HEC)
It has no tertiary structure.
I think HEC meantOriginally Posted by xvs
the proteins in the peptide..
Originally Posted by Archetypical Hybrid (HEC)
Either get digested in the human
gut. That allows us to enjoy a big steak but means we can't take oxytocin orally.
Originally Posted by Whitehall
Thus, the intranasal route, which takes us back to the question of concentration of oxytocin in the product. If
the product was developed in accord with human studies, shouldn't the concentration be obvious--whatever
concentration was used in the human studies, for example?
JVK
Last edited by belgareth; 01-11-2007 at 08:24 PM.
this product has done jack for
me, as hec mentioned, i believe the only benefit is a placebo effect
great atomizer though
my buddy
left his full bottle of Liquid Trust in his car on a hot day, lid tightly closed yet the whole contents evaporated,
the stuff is as close to full alcohol as i can imagine, i have issues with NPA and evaporation, but this LT is
ridicules
jv, the marketing and packaging of LT is very well thought out, i agree, very slick...
I guess the
million-dollar question here is: would you consumers like to see oxytocin added to products such as our , or
by JVK with his SOE?
Vote please! Yay or Nay.. Include supporting comments if possible..
I would say no..!
If I want
the LT, I'll buy on the side and add it myself.. Then I can get my right ratio also..
But I'm also not sure if it
works as I want and then if LT is added to other products these would be more expencive and I wouldn't wanna pay
more for that..
Also because some people may not want the LT mixed with their SOE, and if you want that you can
just buy the LT and mix yourself..
And if the results is LT should be mixed then I would say if we can't have the
"old" products and the "new"..
Hereby I mean:
"old" : SOE
"new" : SOE + LT
Because then we can those ourselfes
what we want..
Also because many people are having lots of succes with the products as they are now so we have to
keep them also even if it's decided that LT should be mixed with other products..
Very little response from LT
if any.
Maybe one "trancy" session but get a similar feeling with light spanking (so endorphin flow
feeling).
Will be trying other new stuff and probably not reorder LT.
SOE seems to create enough trust.
JVK: I'm
curious.. What is the purity (assay) of the alpha-androstenol you use in SOE?? (>98%)??
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