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    Hey guys!

    I

    am one of these quiet guys, that every now and then get lost in some sort of 'slight depression'. Maybe depression

    is the wrong word, but I'm definitely feeling down relatively often. But I'm not that far down that I feel I

    should go and see a professional...

    Is there some kind of stuff that could elevate my mood, make me less

    quiet, more active? I've ordered Sulbutamine a while ago, but unfortunately it never arrived. But maybe that would

    be the wrong stuff anyways? If you do know of something that could help me (some kind of "food additional" (don't

    know the right word)) please do also say where I could order that stuff online (I'm from Central

    Europe).

    Best wishes,
    bb

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    BB,

    Run over to Amazon and

    have a look at this book. I read it cover to cover many years ago and it sort of "changed my life" you could say.

    I just had a look at it at Amazon now and it seems to have been greatly upgraded. Customers give it a five star

    rating and I am not surprised. It is very easy reading but FULL of great information on this subject. Here is the

    link at Amazon, but if you can't get it to load just go to amazon.com and search for
    Dealing with Depression

    Naturally by Syd

    Baumel

    http://www.amazon.com/Dealing-Depres...e=UTF8&s=books

    Good luck,
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    Thanks a ton, Bruce. I will

    check it out! Unfortunately it has never been translated to german, but I guess I'll give it a try

    anyway...

    Some help concerning nutritional additions is still welcomed...

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    It's not difficult reading, and if

    you just google the various remedies, you will be able to figure out what they are and where you can get

    them.

    Good luck,
    B
    To enjoy good health, to bring true happiness to one's family, to bring peace to all, one must first discipline and control one's own mind. If a man can control his mind he can find the way to Enlightenment, and all wisdom and virtue will naturally come to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubblebob
    Thanks a ton,

    Bruce. I will check it out! Unfortunately it has never been translated to german, but I guess I'll give it a try

    anyway...

    Some help concerning nutritional additions is still welcomed...
    There was an article on

    the web a while back about Inositol. It seems the University of Isreal did some work with it regarding depression.

    Pretty large doses but no bad side effects. There's also DMAE which can be a help, even in moderate doses. Look for

    it in liquid form (DMAE H3) and its dirt cheap.
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    Thanks,

    Belgareth!

    I've looked for DMAE-H3, but it seems that it's mainly used for memory improvement. Do you have

    a link to an article that deals with DMEA in the context of depression?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubblebob
    Thanks,

    Belgareth!

    I've looked for DMAE-H3, but it seems that it's mainly used for memory improvement. Do you have a

    link to an article that deals with DMEA in the context of depression?
    No, I can only give you enpirical

    accounts about DMAE H3 and depression. I'm not depressed but it brings my mood up quite a lot and others have told

    me the same thing. One older lady who is on antidepressents calls it her 'Smart Mouth Supplement' When she's

    taking it her mouth tends to over-ride her limited good sense.
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    That sounds like it's made

    for me - at the moment my mouth tends to remain shut most of the time... I think I will give it a try, and it

    really doesn't cost a world.

    Thanks again
    bb
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    When you try it, the normal

    dose is ten drops. Take it in the morning and watch for signs of sleeplessness at night. That means you are getting

    too much.
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    Thanks, I've just ordered a

    bottle for 5$ (shipping is twice as much)... ;-) Hope it helps.

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    Don't forget the basics, good food

    and exercise help alot too! As you're from europe and its winter time its natural to feel a bit less perky. Make

    sure you get plenty of natural light as that will have an effect. Also, reduce/stop alcohol and recreational drug

    intake (if you do) "st johns wort" is another natural mood enhancer but takes a few weeks to kick in, so I'm told.

    Another thing is that I find SOE helps to lift my mood , try that too!

    good luck.
    early 40's white male or or

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubblebob
    Thanks, I've

    just ordered a bottle for 5$ (shipping is twice as much)... ;-) Hope it helps.
    Yeah, I know how that

    goes. Usually I buy 4-5 bottles at a time to save shipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubblebob
    Hey

    guys!

    I am one of these quiet guys, that every now and then get lost in some sort of 'slight depression'. Maybe

    depression is the wrong word, but I'm definitely feeling down relatively often. But I'm not that far down that I

    feel I should go and see a professional...

    Is there some kind of stuff that could elevate my mood, make me less

    quiet, more active? I've ordered Sulbutamine a while ago, but unfortunately it never arrived. But maybe that would

    be the wrong stuff anyways? If you do know of something that could help me (some kind of "food additional" (don't

    know the right word)) please do also say where I could order that stuff online (I'm from Central Europe).

    Best

    wishes,
    bb
    what is this Sulbutamine?

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    @gaf: I'm a vegetarian with a

    strong accent on veganism, eating fresh food most of the time. So I think healthy eating is no problem here. I've

    started to workout again shortly before christmas - three times a week for 2 hours. Should be enough. Sunlight is a

    little difficult at the moment, as the weather around here is rainy since weeks... Oh, and alcohol/drugs are no

    problem as I don't do them or at least very rarely.
    I've used SoE today again with a few drops of AE and I

    have to say that my mood is a lot better today than it was yesterday. Maybe this can be attributed to

    SoE...

    @WorkingMan
    Sulbutamine is a "preform" (don't know the correct word) of a B vitamin (I think it

    was B6 or B2). It passes the brain-blood-barrier very easily and enhances certain functions of the brain - memory,

    alertness and mood. Some people have even said that it provides a slight euphoria. I'll give DMEA a chance and if

    it doesn't work for me I'll try to order some Sulbutamine again. S. is used in Arcalion in Europe, but as far as I

    know you need a recipe to get it...

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    L-phenylanaline, one gram on an

    empty stomach, no protein or other amino acids for an hour or two. That cheers me up.

    One can also try

    5-HTP, a precursor to serotoin, either 50 or 100 mg before bed as it makes one sleepy.

    Both of these are

    really foods, specially, amino acids the building blocks of protein. They are also ingredients to neurotransmitters

    - 5-HTP for serotoin, l-phenylanaline for dopamine.

    if you're a vegan, then try l-arginine. Most vegan

    diets are lacking or skimping this essential amino acid. It affects lots of internal biochemical systems - it is

    essential to the production of seminal fluid, for example. Adding a bit of B-6 helps utilitize it.

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    Thought I'd give you an

    update on my state...

    As I'm waiting for my DMEA and the book to arrive, I looked around for other things

    that could improve my energy and mood. I've stumbled upon a bodybuilding board, where one advertised drinking

    'Yerba Mate' the south american way (that is looooots of yerba leafs plus a little hot water) to improve energy

    levels and help burning body fat, too. So I decided to give it a try and it's really great. I definitely feel a

    boost in energy and my mood has gone up a good way. I guess I will use this stuff daily from now

    on.

    Additionally, working out and doing cardio training 3 to 4 times a week has helped, too. I'm already

    feeling fitter... I have decided to go to the tanning studio regularly over the winter - I think getting some extra

    light during the greyish season could help.

    I'm curious if and how much the stuff I ordered will still

    improve my mood and energy.

    Thanks for all your help,
    bb

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    Sounds like you are headed in a good

    direction. As they say "where there is a will, there is a way". I'm sure you will get where you want to be very

    soon. It is nice to see the big response you got to your thread. Sometimes it helps just knowing that others care.



    Good luck,
    B
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    Really nice...!
    It's

    scientifically known that people that work out is more likely not to have depression and also to have more

    energy..
    Fx. kids at school that goes to football is better in class and have more energy than those that doesn't

    have a sport or is'nt active..
    So working out, and being active (walking a long time, do workout, go to sports

    etc) is alway a good general cure for mood swings, and energy loss..

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    Yeah, but unfortunately these

    phases (me doing sports) don't last long most of the time. But maybe this time it's different, as I set some

    specific goals which will require hard work to achieve. Nothing better than having an aim...

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    After a while working out

    becomes a part of your life. You feel odd if you don't do it. Like brushing your teeth.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    Great thread. I could REALLY use

    information like this right about now. 2007 hasn't exactly been the "Summer Of George" thus far. (So much for

    resolutions...)

    Thanks for the book recommendation, Bruce. I'd heard of the title, but somehow never read

    the book. Will be grabbing a copy today.

    I've been using l-arg steadily for a month now...all I've noticed

    is a flood of unwanted energy. Maybe I'm taking too much (500 mg. 3x)?

    What brand of 5-HTP is best?



    As for the Empirical evidence on DMAE-H3...is that why they were able to rebuild the Death Star so

    quickly?
    If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen

    Holmes' Theme Song

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    There are all the same in my

    experience.

    Start with 50 mg and be aware that there might be rebound when you discontinue taking

    it.

    It can also excite the gut nerves and suppress appetite. Further is can delay or suppress orgasm - great

    for guys with a hair trigger but can frustrate some women.

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    bubblebob?

    depression....

    here is how I dealt with it years ago, bodybuilding, exercise is a must, as it makes your body

    produce endomorphins, next is sunlight, if you cant get hit outside, hit a solarium until your black, food is

    important, stick to low suger carb diet, another requirement is understanding where your depression comes from, and

    changing it by eliminating the cause, you may or may not be able to do this own your own, sometimes people turn to

    someone to talk too, its no big deal, also, im not much into organised religions, but one that seems to try to

    address depression in its core philosophy is buddism. suffering is part of life, and through meditation and

    contemplation, you can defeat negative thoughts that lead to depression.

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    bronzie,

    Thanks. Some

    of your suggestions I've already covered - workout (weight and cardio training), solarium (although not until I'm

    black *g*) and healthy food, in the moment practically sugar-free. Finding the cause of my depression is the really

    hard part. I have an idea about this - there are some things missing in my life. I've thought about seeing a

    psychologist for some time now. If I'm not able to defeat the depression all by myself I will try finding a good

    one.

    I've been interested in buddhism for quite some time now, reading some books etc. But I never took the

    next step - dealing with it actively. I'm a atheist and am not into religions at all, but I see buddhism more as a

    philosophy than religion. As soon as I find some money I will look for a course in meditation.

    Thanks

    again,
    bb

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    Finally, after more than a

    month waiting, the book that Bruce mentioned "Dealing with Depression Naturally" has arrived. This book seems to be

    packed with tons of advice - I'm sure I will learn some things that I can add to my 'mental cure' program.



    Thanks again Bruce for pointing at that book...

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    I hope that you don't mind if

    I turn this thread into a form of 'diary'. Maybe this can help others with similar problems, too...

    I've

    read about half of the book yesterday, which included all of the nutritional treatments, made some notes and

    filtered out some things, that seemed promising to try. After reading the introduction and description of the

    various types of depression, I would "categorize" my form as atypical depression.

    I've bought today high

    concentrated supplements of Thiamin (B1) and Folic Acid at the pharmacy. According to Baumel, megadoses of Thiamin

    are especially promising for atypical depression and Folic Acid is a sort of 'allround' helper for mood-related

    problems.
    Additionally I have ordered L-Phenylalanin and Methionine (a cheap precursor to the extremely pricey

    SAMe) - both seem to be really promising. All in all it's been quite expensive - around 70€ (90$ or so). I

    hope I won't need all that stuff all the time - there won't be much money left for mones...

    I have

    tested DMAE-H3 for about a month now, with daily doses between 10 and 15 drops. I don't have the impression, that

    this stuff helps a lot with my mood - but it may have helped my concentration and memory (although I'm not totally

    sure about it). But as it's really cheap I may as well buy some more bottles as soon as my current one is empty and

    test this stuff some more.

    I'll keep you updated of my results...

    bb

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    Alrighty, next

    update...

    I've been using megadoses of Thiamin, Folic Acid and some Phenylalanin for several weeks now. I

    don't have the impression that it helps much - maybe the Thiamin works best, but it's no great change either.

    Phenylalanin often makes me feel like running to the bathroom and vomiting - I don't think I'm going to use this

    any further...

    I have decided to get a full medical check-up. I've seen the doctor last week for a

    sonography of my thyroid gland (is it called like that?) - most members of my family have a problem with that organ

    and Baumel's book identifies hypothyreosis as one of the main reasons for depression. Maybe this is the case for

    me, too... If not, I'm discussing with my doc what we could check furtherly - maybe checking my blood values and

    so on...

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    Heya bubblebob,

    I've

    been dealing with a low-grade, chronic depression most of my life, sometimes spiking to serious. I think I've used

    every supplement mentioned here, as well as some pharms, but I've been off those for quite a few years. The

    supplements help to a point, and can boost naturally deficient areas. They do help in my case, and I continue to

    supplement in that way.

    My greatest success, such as it is, has come mostly from understanding as much as

    possible about the root causes, and their effects, and then training my mind, much like a workout, to re-train the

    faulty thought processes which can quite literally lead you into the dumps.

    Its a lot more difficult than

    taking a pill, but the rewards can be spectacular. There are setbacks, failures and seemingly hopeless droughts,

    but the cumulative benefit of your efforts will always show. Its hard work, but in my case there's really been no

    good substitute.

    Finding a good, responsible therapist/counselor is harder than finding a good woman. Find

    one who has your best interests in mind, without an agenda, and you may have a winner.

    One book I remember

    helping a lot was "The Lies We Believe". Sorry, don't remember the author.

    Best wishes,
    Greg

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    Question Dmae-h3 ?

    I looked around,

    even searched wikipedia, trying to figure out what this DMAE-H3 is.

    I'm more interested in the memory

    improvement effect.
    My memory is great, but I love feeling sharper. The memory boost itself makes me feel elivated

    in mood
    And it's quite hard for me to stay focused in studies, which makes my yacht license take much

    longer to get than I would have wanted it to.
    A memory improvement could really help me there ^_^;

    Is it the

    same as Omega 3? Or similar? Or... uhh... what is it?
    Is it also, umm... a type of fish oil? like Omega

    3...
    Does it leave a bad stomach odor after usage?
    And does it really improve memory?
    I've used Omega 3

    in the past and can truthfully say it indeed somewhat improved memory, and focus.. and generaly - brain activity was

    somewhat accelerated.
    However, the bad smell it left in my stomach was unberable... Especially if I accidentally

    burped (sorry to mention this, lol, but it seems like an important fact for the matter ).
    So at the end I

    just HAD to stop using it.

    The suggestion on the box was to eat before every usage (well of course!), but that

    just wasn't enough to help.

    I wonder if this DMAE-H3 could truly help me have a better, sharper memory.

    And

    you say it's cheap too - what a bonus!

    So... any expirience\ideas in the matter?

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