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    huh?
    Are you saying that

    DMAE-H3 is just wine?

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    tenaciousBlade, i'm not

    exactly sure what DMAE-h3 is. Specificly, the h-3 part. The only websites ive found so far with info about DMAE-h3

    are trying to sell it and dont tell me the scientific name so i would know if its any different from DMAE, or the

    same thing in liquid form.

    Anyway, i have some experience with DMAE (as dimethylaminoethenol bitartate) in

    powdered form in capsules. Theoretically, it a a precurser to the neurotransmitter acetylcholine that crosses the

    blood barrier better that choline (a popular supplement used by bodybuilders.)

    When i first started taking the

    Dmae (200-300 mg a day) i would notice a simulating effect. Sorta like adderall but without the quickened

    heartheart or physical stimulation. After a few days i stopped getting the effect, mabye sometimes slightly. It

    seems to have had a positive effect, but im not very good at judging that, since i cant directly compare it to

    before.

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    Thanks for the reply


    I still don't get what kind of positive effect it gives though...
    And how does it effect our

    brain?
    I mean in what way?
    I get that it crosses the BBB, but I have no idea what purpose it has for doing

    so.
    Well anyhow thanks for the info

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    well, having an increased

    amount of acetylcholine precursors in the brain would make it easier for the brain to make acetylcholine (and

    prehaps it would thus make more.) since acetylcholine is used by the brain for communication between nerons, this

    may make it easier (and mabye faster) for information to be communicated. Easier communication seems to me like it

    would lead to better recall, and faster communication seems like it would lead to faster/ more focused thought.

    keep in mind that these are my speculations, not scientific theories.

    I have read studies that showed increased

    acetylcholine levels in the muscles leads to better preformance in endurance tests, and studies that showed dmae

    increased mental capabilities (but i dont remember exactly what was tested). unfortunatly all of these studies

    dealt with cause and effect, not why or how. i think our science still doesnt really understand enough to tell us

    why the brain works like it does.

    i hope this helps

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    Yeah!
    That helped a

    lot!
    Thanks

    It sounds a lot like what I know as Omega-3...
    I wonder if it's the same

    thing...

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    Glad i could be of service.

    feel free to hit me up with some reputation.

    Dmae and omega 3 are definatly not the same thing. omega 3 is a

    fatty acid. they both are reported to have positive effects, but probably acheive them in different ways.

    if

    you have any more questions feel free to ask.

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    Shanx mate

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    This thread obligates me to

    add.

    idesign nails the real answer. You can supplement all you want. And pharms have heavy

    tradeoffs.

    But there is depression and then there is Depression.

    Your brain builds a coping

    superhighway when you are under stress. If you burn out your coping mechanisms, the superhighway turns out to go to

    some very bad places.

    Do not ignore serious treatment for serious depression. Pharms could help bridge a

    difficult period until you find new coping mechanisms, build new brain superhighways.

    You might find new

    coping ways in unusual places. Drawing, puttering with mechanics, cooking, dancing, and any of the eastern

    practices like meditation and tai chi. Anything that makes the passing of time disappear for you.

    The longer

    you wait to get the right treatment for you, natural, pharmaceutical, therapeutic, spiritual, or some combination;

    And the more episodes of depression you have, the harder it is to treat, no matter what methods you are

    using.

    Repeat for emphasis: The more episodes you get, the harder it becomes to treat.

    Upside: You

    grow after a long time to make peace with depression. And then you are just at peace and no longer depressed, even

    if your brain tries to take the wrong exit on its superhighways.

    Caution. Building new thinking habits takes

    a tremendous commitment. I find the commitment turns out to be not to some vague "happiness." But to recognizing

    how amazing your life is. And what normal ups and downs are. Sounds corny.

    Not building new thinking habits

    is very risky to your mental and physical health.

    Natural supplementation is best, of course. The

    pharmacology of natural or pharmaceutical supplements is not clearly known.

    As it stands today, serotonin,

    dopamine, and norepinephrine are the targets of natural and pharm help. Each person reacts to these differently.

    Some need stimulation, some need calming. Each can be healing for the one it is meant for.

    Don't forget to

    laugh each day.

    Utterly healing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai Tea View Post
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    Your

    brain builds a coping superhighway when you are under stress. If you burn out your coping mechanisms, the

    superhighway turns out to go to some very bad places.

    Do not ignore serious treatment for serious depression.



    You might find new coping ways in unusual places. Drawing, puttering with mechanics, cooking, dancing, and any

    of the eastern practices like meditation and tai chi. Anything that makes the passing of time disappear for

    you.

    Repeat for emphasis: The more episodes you get, the harder it becomes to treat.

    Upside: You grow after

    a long time to make peace with depression. And then you are just at peace and no longer depressed, even if your

    brain tries to take the wrong exit on its superhighways.

    Caution. Building new thinking habits takes a

    tremendous commitment. I find the commitment turns out to be not to some vague "happiness." But to recognizing how

    amazing your life is. And what normal ups and downs are. Sounds corny.

    Not building new thinking habits is very

    risky to your mental and physical health.

    Don't forget to laugh each day.

    Utterly healing.
    Will

    repeat your advice: Serious Depression requires immediate treatment.

    Corny is way underrated. In a world of

    cool, and manipulating reality to fit some conceived alternate reality or another, there is always the radical

    concept of being who you are.

    For me the great challenge was first learning that, and then becoming comfortable

    with it.

    Peace with depression ultimately becomes peace with who you are. Overcome it to function well enough in

    society, accept it as part of your being, and use it to allow a unique difference to sprout from your experience,

    which, by the way, tends to be a deeper understanding of many of life's idiosyncrasies. Don't want to be an

    elitist here, but depression causes quiet, and time for nothing but the world observed.

    You're right, the

    commitment is huge, and the trail steep, but the alternative is flat-lining.

    Nice to have you here Chai,
    Greg

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