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    Obviously pheromones do have

    some impact on hormone levels and do effect our physiology first and foremost before they effect our physology, yes

    this has been raised in the past, and some members have even gone as far as saying because of the nature of the

    product (unregulated/untested) we could be doing untold and unknown things to our physiology, both in the short and

    long term. For me, this is a concern. I know some members use pheromones on a daily basis, some even feel "naked" or

    "incomplete" when not using them. Others may attribute this to physology, however there may be physiological reasons

    for this, a kind of addiction if you will.

    I personally do not use pheromones on a daily basis for this

    reason. I mainly use them on a first or second date, to hook the girl, after that, I let what nature intended.

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    By the way, I know your question

    was in regards to testosterone levels and effects, but I think that is one small facet in the bigger

    picture.

    Jvkhol might be better able to answer...

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    Yeah it works that way. First

    off some mone called pregna-4,20-diene-3,6-dione (PDD) lowered LH and test levels in males amongst other things.

    Second off some males react poorly to none and A1 so it obviously has some negative hormonal effect on them. As for

    supressing phero levels, I think modern hygene has way more effect than mones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icehawk
    First off some mone

    called pregna-4,20-diene-3,6-dione (PDD) lowered LH and test levels in males amongst other things.


    This compound was described to me by Clive Jennings-White (chemist for Erox/Pherin/HPS) as a progesteronic

    pheromone. Progesterone is high during pregnancy and at the time a woman has her period. Lower LH and T would be the

    likely result of a signal saying "find someone else; you cannot get me pregnant," while the ovulatory phase

    estrogenic pheromones (copulins) signal "come and get me pregnant" by raising LH and testosterone. This is basically

    what happens in other mammals to ensure what's called "properly timed reproductive sexual behavior."



    Quote Originally Posted by Icehawk
    Second off some males react poorly to none and A1 so it obviously has some negative hormonal

    effect on them. As for supressing phero levels, I think modern hygene has way more effect than

    mones.
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    The following is pure

    speculation--supported by animal research but not by human

    studies.
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    If male pheromone enhancement

    causes a decline in LH and testosterone in other males, it is not merely a function of the pheromone--it is the

    combination of their own associations with dominant males (at least, in theory). If they tend to come up the loser,

    we can expect a decline in testosterone levels will accompany the expectation (so they're less likely to put up a

    fight--again, from an animalistic approach). But male pheromone enhancement effects on the wearer should not have

    the same effect as extra pheromones have on another male. Indeed, they might have the opposite effect, making him

    unconsciously aware that he is the dominant male--perhaps even increasing his testosterone

    levels.

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    Berliner, D.L., Monti-Bloch, L.,

    Jennings-White, C., & Diaz-Sanchez, V. (1996) Functionality of the human vomeronasal organ (VNO): Evidence for

    steroid receptors. Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, 58, 3, 259-265.

    The citation above

    is where the authors say that the progesteronic pheromone lowered testosterone. The question that remains is why

    they never tested androstadienone to see if it raised testosterone (or did they?).




    JVK

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvkohl
    This compound

    was described to me by Clive Jennings-White (chemist for Erox/Pherin/HPS) as a progesteronic pheromone. Progesterone

    is high during pregnancy and at the time a woman has her period. Lower LH and T would be the likely result of a

    signal saying "find someone else; you cannot get me pregnant," while the ovulatory phase estrogenic pheromones

    (copulins) signal "come and get me pregnant" by raising LH and testosterone. This is basically what happens in other

    mammals to ensure what's called "properly timed reproductive sexual behavior."





    -------------------------------------------------------------
    The following is pure speculation--supported

    by animal research but not by human studies.
    -------------------------------------------------------------

    If

    male pheromone enhancement causes a decline in LH and testosterone in other males, it is not merely a function of

    the pheromone--it is the combination of their own associations with dominant males (at least, in theory). If they

    tend to come up the loser, we can expect a decline in testosterone levels will accompany the expectation (so

    they're less likely to put up a fight--again, from an animalistic approach). But male pheromone enhancement effects

    on the wearer should not have the same effect as extra pheromones have on another male. Indeed, they might have the

    opposite effect, making him unconsciously aware that he is the dominant male--perhaps even increasing his

    testosterone levels.

    ----------------------------------------------------
    Berliner, D.L., Monti-Bloch, L.,

    Jennings-White, C., & Diaz-Sanchez, V. (1996) Functionality of the human vomeronasal organ (VNO): Evidence for

    steroid receptors. Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, 58, 3, 259-265.

    The citation above is

    where the authors say that the progesteronic pheromone lowered testosterone. The question that remains is why they

    never tested androstadienone to see if it raised testosterone (or did they?).




    JVK
    Does this mean that if this animal

    thing should be the same for us then..
    When we apply the pheroes out body thinks there a more dominant male around

    us (and that's the pheroes) and it stops producing so much testosterone..? Or am I reading this the wrong

    way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungojerry
    No your

    brain detects the stuff is coming from you, assumes you are the dominant male, therefore could potentially

    increase your testosterone levels.
    I can say that I definitely have an increased sex drive when wearing

    NPA, so it must increase my own levels.

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    Yes but in theory..
    How can

    our brain know it's our own and not becuase we smell some elses testosterone..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkingMann
    Yes but in

    theory..
    How can our brain know it's our own and not becuase we smell some elses

    testosterone..?
    Look up anchoring. Your brain does it all the time. Plus the vaious studies on human

    ability to follow scent to its source.

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    Okay so it' really

    possible.. Just can't see how but I might have to check that sometime..

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    Default maybe the other way around?

    Isnt

    it possible, that in such a situation our body on the contrary produces more testosterone / pheromones to enhance

    competitiveness ?

    That was my first assumption when I noticed that on pheromone application body odor and sperm

    volume seemed to increase .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by quaxer
    Isnt it possible,

    that in such a situation our body on the contrary produces more testosterone / pheromones to enhance

    competitiveness?
    Yes. Here's the link to one of several articles that JM Dabbs Jr has authored or

    co-authored.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

    Currently, integrating his (and others') findings with

    effects of pheromones on hormones in other animals and in humans, allows for speculation that "winners" and "losers"

    of competition respond with changes in testosterone that would be reflected in their production of masculine

    pheromones. As I recall, someone even reported that chess competition resulted in increased testosterone in the

    winner, and decreased testosterone in the loser.

    JVK

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvkohl
    Yes. Here's

    the link to one of several articles that JM Dabbs Jr has authored or

    co-authored.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt

    =AbstractPlus&list_uids=9811365&query_hl=1&itool=p ubmed_docsum


    Currently, integrating his (and others')

    findings with effects of pheromones on hormones in other animals and in humans, allows for speculation that

    "winners" and "losers" of competition respond with changes in testosterone that would be reflected in their

    production of masculine pheromones. As I recall, someone even reported that chess competition resulted in increased

    testosterone in the winner, and decreased testosterone in the

    loser.

    JVK
    But wouldn't that be the same

    for males around us?
    When I wear pheroes their production of testosterone should increase because of their enhanced

    competitiveness..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkingMann
    But wouldn't

    that be the same for males around us?
    When I wear pheroes their production of testosterone should increase

    because of their enhanced competitiveness..?
    It would most likely depend on their

    perception of whether or not they are the dominant male (e.g., the likely winner of competition). If, therefore,

    pheromone-enhancement provides you with the benefit of thinking you will be the likely winner, in theory, your

    testosterone level would be likely to rise; his would be more likely to

    fall.

    JVK

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvkohl
    It would most

    likely depend on their perception of whether or not they are the dominant male (e.g., the likely winner of

    competition). If, therefore, pheromone-enhancement provides you with the benefit of thinking you will be the likely

    winner, in theory, your testosterone level would be likely to rise; his would be more likely to

    fall.

    JVK
    That also seems fair.. In animal

    kingdom some males will try to take the "trone" and others will bow in the dust..
    And also one of my friends have

    had some time where he was very negative towards me and he kindda plays the boss for some reason.. I think he wants

    to be the one everyone looks up to but he can't handle the pressure.. And then he blaimed me for everything and

    yelled a lot.. This can be because he was threatened by me, because I started using more powerfull mones at that

    time.. And he also have a thing for a girl that maybe likes me and he's a bit angry about it I think.. He's

    doesn't do anything to get her, and kindda stand off (maybe because he thinks I'm the dominant male and therefor I

    have the right to her) and he thinks she likes me bettter than him (she's just a friend to me so far) and perhaps

    because he thinks I'm the dominant male he therefor unconsiusly thinks she likes me better because I'm the

    dominant male..

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