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    What remains to be conducted is

    the "NPA rabid dog test"...do you feel confident to try wearing the new product in an intimate setting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungojerry
    Another reason

    to be cautious is that I seem to be the only one who has worn this stuff a lot and posted the results everytime. We

    really need reports from people everytime they wear this stuff otherwise there is a horrible reporting bias in the

    results we see here.
    Excellent point! Please keep the reports coming in people. And thank you Mungojerry

    for your reports!

    HEC, would you like to comment on the results we're seeing here on your product?

    You hyped it up to such a humungously large degree, and with these results I don't know what to think of your

    credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfunk
    Excellent

    point! Please keep the reports coming in people. And thank you Mungojerry for your reports!

    HEC, would

    you like to comment on the results we're seeing here on your product? You hyped it up to such a humungously large

    degree, and with these results I don't know what to think of your credibility.
    Here I would say

    dont' absolutely discredit HEC already.. Perhaps things worked unbelievebly good in the labs..
    But things aren't

    always the same when they come into the real world..

    People that agree to testin in a lab will most certainly not

    react in the same way in the real world because you see things differently..
    Plus many things is more complicated

    in the real world and just that things don't always work as supposed to in the real world..
    So it might worked

    just great in lab and tests but when you see the results on the street you can't always expect the same..
    But I

    know people are a little suspecius now when the "prophecy didnt come true"
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    I'm wearing it today and will

    be in an insurance office full of women this afternoon. We'll see what happens.
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    HEC,

    would you like to comment on the results we're seeing here on your product? You hyped it up to such a humungously

    large degree, and with these results I don't know what to think of your credibility.
    Yes, I would care

    to comment: Firstly, anyone who is not happy with it: send it back - We've agreed to reimburse Bruce for any

    returns. Secondly: we believed that the pregnen steroid contained within was very special due to its

    astronomically-high VNO response.

    Due to the failure of alpha-test-101 to evoke strong behavioral responses,

    admittedly it now does seem that VNO activity is independent of behavioral response. However, VNO activity is really

    the only benchmark by which to predict the activity of a new pheromone - and so now begs to be developed a new

    benchmark which accurately correlates activity.

    Consider the meaning of "alpha test" - this is previous to a

    beta-test, as we did not know of the true real-world activity of this compound, or if it would be active in

    real-world environments.

    We have no intention of letting this failure set us back in investigating other strong

    potential candidates: success is born out of failure, and successful people fail forward. Only those who do not try

    again are true failures.

    Charles Kettering (a brilliant inventor) once said:
    It doesn't matter if

    you try and fail. It does matter if you try and fail, and fail to try again.


    Therefore, should

    the displeased among you base my/our (or any inventor's) credit upon a single failure, then every known inventor

    whom has succeeded would be bankrupted (in the sense of their credit).

    androstanone (a major success) was

    another shot in the dark - we're basing future plans to test new pheromones around the SAR (structure activity

    relationship) logic as employed within the molecular model of androstanone.

    So, if any of you care to try again

    when we have a new "alpha-test" to offer, and wish to contribute to the furtherance of pheromone science, then by

    all means do so. If not, then don't.

    Addendum: Furthermore, I take full responsibility for Bruce's

    introduction of this compound: he had based this introduction upon the information which I provided him regarding

    VNO activity. He had not tested it personally before introducing it, and neither did we. So, if anyone cares to

    complain about their results with this compound, despite the description of it, then relay those complaints to me,

    not Bruce.
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    Wow, this is all very

    interesting...I had no idea a company like this existed. So interesting to also offer a forum for feedback from

    their customers...definitely a change from other pheromone fly-by-night operations interested in taking the money

    and running.

    I am going to read and explore more. I have done some preliminary research/reading on pheromones

    maybe 5 years ago.

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    and

    with these results I don't know what to think of your credibility.
    Gfunk: You seem to be pretty fond of

    : how does that affect the credit score??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetypical Hybrid

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    Yes, I would care to comment: Firstly, anyone who is not happy with it: send it back - We've agreed to

    reimburse Bruce for any returns. Secondly: we believed that the pregnen steroid contained within was very special

    due to its astronomically-high VNO response.

    Due to the failure of alpha-test-101 to evoke strong behavioral

    responses, admittedly it now does seem that VNO activity is independent of behavioral response. However, VNO

    activity is really the only benchmark by which to predict the activity of a new pheromone - and so now begs to be

    developed a new benchmark which accurately correlates activity.

    Consider the meaning of "alpha test" - this is

    previous to a beta-test, as we did not know of the true real-world activity of this compound, or if it would be

    active in real-world environments.
    Thanks for replying HEC. I don't get any useful answer to why this

    didn't work as I'm only a practical user of mones and not a theoretical wizard on the subject. What I was

    wondering was how you could hype such an effect from this product when the effect you suggested seems to not appear

    at all.

    From reading your reply I understand that you hyped it up because of the technical findings that seemed

    overwhelmingly positive in theory but you did not have much practical evidence of it's behaviour. However Bruce did

    announce that "Initial tests are off the charts, and indicate a powerful effect on both men and women, though

    stronger on women." Which suggests that you did do practical test on the product and that you should have had

    overwhelmingly great results in order to support such a big hype to it's effects.

    And when it flopped I ask you

    how can this be?

    Despite this incident that went wrong I'm all supportive for your efforts in coming up

    with a new and great product, I wish you all the very best of luck with it. I'll be a potential customer when you

    succeed in your efforts!

    Also since you mentioned , yes I love it, big ups for that! But lt me

    also take the opportunity to express my total and complete frustration with the secret stuff business. That is if

    you're not going to reveal it when it becomes a fully working product. I say enough already, this has to stop.


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    However

    Bruce did announce that "Initial tests are off the charts, and indicate a powerful effect on both men and women,

    though stronger on women." Which suggests that you did do practical test on the product and that you should have had

    overwhelmingly great results in order to support such a big hype to it's effects.
    Initial tests are off

    the charts: these are my words and they're with respect to the VNO activity. Furthermore, I, being very-well versed

    with pheromones did noticed a strong effect (on me personally) when working with it..


    Franky, we're as stunned

    as are you & everyone else that its not overwhelmingly active: this was a major let-down considering the large

    amount of time & effort which was invested into developing this on our end. Again, we're biting the bullet here in

    offering to reimburse bruce for any returns.

    Again, bruce based his hype upon the information I provided him..

    It's not his fault in any way/shape/or form.

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    I agree here..
    When we know

    whats in them we know if the makers know anything about mones or just says it mones and it's bottled water..
    But

    most of all also that we have the opportunity to compare with other products and see difference in content and

    amount, and not to forget the very important part.. Mixin reasons.. If we know what in and the amounts we can better

    adjust our mixin..
    I also liked this site/community and products because you know the content and amunt so you know

    there's this and that in.. Instead of just sayin it's mones and it's a lot..

    I want numbers to back it up

    also.. And if the creator will tell me these numbers and content I know he's not hidding anything from me or is

    trying to trick me.. I know even though these numbers are released I can be tricked but I still trust these

    manufactors more than those that just says it mones and its a lot..

    Have been fooled with that I'm not

    gonna be it again..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetypical Hybrid

    (HEC)
    Initial tests are off the charts: these are my words and they're with respect to the VNO activity.

    Furthermore, I, being very-well versed with pheromones did noticed a strong effect (on me personally) when working

    with it..
    I'm rather amazed that you actually did not try the real world behaviour before hyping it up as

    a winner. But with the refund deal I guess it's fair enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Archetypical Hybrid (HEC)
    Franky, we're as

    stunned as are you & everyone else that its not overwhelmingly active: this was a major let-down considering the

    large amount of time & effort which was invested into developing this on our end.
    Maybe you're still very

    close to hitting it on the nail, just needs some more work. Keep it up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfunk
    I'm rather amazed

    that you actually did not try the real world behaviour before hyping it up as a winner. But with the refund deal I

    guess it's fair enough.


    Maybe you're still very close to hitting it on the nail, just needs some more work.

    Keep it up!
    Or maybe it's the dispersing/heat factor ... in this case ... lack of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57
    Or maybe it's

    the dispersing/heat factor ... in this case ... lack of.
    Yeah, whats the melting point of this

    thing? Maybe too high to even evaporate a response or all the bottles were empty as it was gone while in

    shipement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icehawk
    Yeah, whats

    the melting point of this thing? Maybe too high to even evaporate a response or all the bottles were empty as it was

    gone while in shipement.
    Intersting point of view.. Never thought about this..
    Because of course it

    could go both ways..

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    The melting

    point was 134-135 C - this is slightly less then androstenone.. So the rate of evaporation would not have caused

    this..

    I'm certain at this point that this compound itself is inactive..

    We do however plan to continue

    to pursue one other pregnen steroid for testing: if this fails as well, then this class of compounds will be

    abandoned.

    NOTE: we have two other compounds which we plan to offer immediately as alpha-tests: one is a

    derivative of androstAnone (-stanone). These samples would be free of charge. I'm awaiting Bruce's

    authorization on this before disclosing more information on these, and offering them for alpha-test.

    We plan to

    offer future alpha-test compounds free of charge in small volumes - we're investing significant quantities of time

    & money into this research & development: we are the only entity which is attempting to develop novel and superior

    pheromones. We sincerely appreciate your support during this endeavor, as a very difficult and costly endeavor it

    indeed is for us, with no immediate return..

    Any comments or suggestions (re: future alpha-tests) are

    welcomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icehawk
    Yeah, whats the

    melting point of this thing? Maybe too high to even evaporate a response or all the bottles were empty as it was

    gone while in shipement.
    What I meant was ... I've found that body heat puts mones out there, but since

    it's cold in most places, maybe it's because the body is not really pushing the mones out because it's cold; and

    maybe some have found it work if they worked out, or something that causes one to sweat/heat up, after application.

    Just a thought.
    Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!

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    I believe

    this stuff counteracts the effects of none (at least on me). Ever since I first used AE/m I could never wear more

    than one drop and it always put me in an aggressive mood. When I used two dabs of 101 I was able to use 3 drops as

    well as 3 sprays of Chikara without affecting me. The next day I wore two drops of AE alone and it did put me in a

    bad mood like usual. I had to put on some Masters to counteract (which does an okay job but not as good as 101). I

    think 101 could be that -none cleaner a lot of people want (unless it converts to none that is- but I haven't

    noticed this when I wore it alone).

    I still have at least a week's worth of product left (sticking to two

    dabs), so I'll keep testing until i run out.
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    I am still

    throwing some Alpha-101 on occasionally just to see if I can notice a difference.




    I can't say that the results from Alpha-101 are absolutely negative, but they

    really are elusive.


    My feeling of being more energized

    despite lack of sleep while wearing it could be attributed to other factors.




    A theory for no great reaction to this synthetic pheromone is that it is so unlike

    anything natural, that it leaves the person "experiencing" Alpha-101 alerted to the wearer’s presence, but unsure as

    to how to react.


    If it occurs no where in nature, there may

    be no natural response to be associated with it. It just isn’t part of our endocrinological “design”. If it isn’t

    part of the chemical processes that our bodies use, why should we react?




    This is really a lame argument as cocaine, cannabis, caffeine, nicotine, aspirin

    and many other drugs aren’t part of our normal bodily functioning, but we react in the extreme to small amounts of

    these substances.


    If you are a person supporting nurture over nature,

    there may no learned response while growing up (how could there be?), and therefore no response as an

    adult.


    As it has never been encountered before, the person wearing

    Alpha-101 may be marked out by it, but regarded as "strange", and therefore to perhaps be

    avoided.


    It may take extra effort on the person wearing

    Alpha-101 to establish a response category for this new “smell” that the perceiver is aware of, but has never

    encountered before. It may be up to the wearer to condition the perceiver to this new class of phero, and thereby

    define a unique response in others consequent to the wearer’s presence.




    I will continue to occaisionally use Alpha-101, and report anything

    unusual.


    HEC - "Thanks for trying"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetypical Hybrid

    (HEC)

    Any comments or suggestions (re: future alpha-tests) are welcomed.
    Well, I remember a topic from

    your hand conserning a diff form of -Rone, methoxy or something, and I sure would like to try that one.

    Unless

    of course, the product that's been talked about on this topic is in fact that very same methoxy-Rone, lol.


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    I felt really ill today (sinus infection) and didn’t feel like doing any experimenting, so I didn’t

    put any mones on this morning. I’ve been using the new Alpha-test’s Blue-cap the last several days. It was enough of

    a struggle just trying to keep focused on my job.


    I’d been really

    dragging through the day, and had an after lunch meeting with one other analyst, and my boss. I decided that if

    there is any stimulant effect from this mone then I could sure use it, as several cups of coffee was not getting the

    job done. I also added about 9” of SoE, and a couple squirts of LT as I didn’t feel very sociable. That meeting went

    okay, maybe even a little more convivial than normal, but the real effect was a couple hours

    latter.


    I was standing in line at car parts counter, when another

    customer right behind me just inserted himself right into the conversation I was having with the salesperson at the

    counter. He started acting like an old friend, and finding common social ground with me. He really did make an

    effort to keep the conversation going. He left first, and wished me, and then the others a good day. This is

    unusual, as clearly he was regular customer, and knew the people there, but we had never met

    before.


    This seems to be an exaggerated effect like what one might

    expect with SoE, which again suggests that this mone has an amplifying effect for at least a few other mones when

    worn with them.

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    Thumbs up HEC - Your efforts are most appritiated

    Originally posted by Shenandoah: A

    theory
    for no great reaction to this synthetic pheromone is that it is so unlike anything natural, that it

    leaves the person "experiencing" Alpha-101 alerted to the wearer’s presence, but unsure as to how to

    react.


    ...

    This is really a lame argument as cocaine, cannabis,

    caffeine, nicotine, aspirin and many other drugs aren’t part of our normal bodily functioning, but we react

    in the extreme to small amounts of these substances.
    I say this was a very nice try
    And you

    know... it might have something to it. But I would at this point like to correct you on a little something... I

    don't know about cocaine, caffeine, or aspirin... and I'm of course sure you are right about nicotine...

    but the active ingridient in cannabis, is a chimical called T.H.C. (I know the full name but it's a mess lol), and

    T.H.C. is infact part of our normal bodily function.

    When you pass days over days without sleep, you brain

    produces actual T.H.C.
    The only difference between that T.H.C. & cannabis, is the amount of T.H.C. in cannabis is

    considerably larger... and, well... there are another 399 normaly-non-active chimicals in cannabis



    Don't take it the wrong way though... I'm not a user
    Just thought I'll inform.

    Anyhow...

    HEC... about this...
    Originaly posted by Archetypical Hybrid (HEC):We plan to offer future alpha-test

    compounds free of charge in small volumes - we're investing significant quantities of time & money into

    this research & development
    : we are the only entity which is attempting to develop novel and superior

    pheromones
    . We sincerely appreciate your support during this endeavor, as a very difficult and costly endeavor

    it indeed is for us, with no immediate return..
    I say Hurray!!!
    Now that

    is what I call true investment. I'm pretty sure it's safe to say your credit just went sky-rocket.
    I mean, I

    don't know if the Alpha-test-101 works or not, but you surely sound to me like a person who truely wants to give

    the costumer practical results.
    Don't give up. Even though I'm sometimes a sceptikal costumer, even I greatly

    appritiate a true succesfull reasercher when I recognize it
    "Successful people fail forward" - indeed

    you do {we... lol... I ment we}


    P.S.
    I've been gone for about 2 months, and I still have no time to write

    here... I only found time for one reply, and I thought this one is the most interesting for now
    Still,

    I've had wonderfull results with various products, and have already started writing a long report... I hope it

    won't take me too long to finish it & post it. That is - I hope I'll find the time to pause the usage & midnight

    fun, and get to the report

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenaciousBLADE
    ... is a

    chimical called T.H.C. (I know the full name but it's a mess lol), and T.H.C.

    FYI:
    Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol
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    T.H.C. is infact part of

    our normal bodily function.
    In high school and college I firmly believed this to be God's truth and

    sought daily enlightenment.
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    Looks like an old thread, but I

    just wanted to add this:

    If you walk up to somebody and punch them in the face, they will probably not notice if

    you also lightly tap them on the arm at the same time.

    If this pheromone is provoking such a huge response in the

    VNO then it may be overloading it and causing it to shut down. This may be why people are reporting that it seems to

    cancel out even their known-to-work mixes.

    Thoughts?

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    It's a good thought. I likened

    it to an over bright light in the eyes.
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