Could you expand a bit on this
beta male thing?
Confidence. It all boils
down to confidence. If you can find a man that never get's nervous, never shows emotion, and has a handle on his
life and her life then you've found yourself an alpha.
They're very easy to spot. Take a look around a busy
place one day. Look for a man that walks upright with dignity and confidence, has a charasmatic soul about him, and
has slow calculated gestures you've found either a tired alcoholic/drug addict or you've found your alpha.
Beta males are the ones you need to watch out for.
"Freedom to change seems to come after acceptance of ourselves." -BT pg. 56
Could you expand a bit on this
beta male thing?
Beta males exist in a world of
scarcity and thus will compete over...pretty much everything, especially petty stuff. The alpha male just sits back
because he knows he owns everything.
i saw the header of this post
and just had to chime in...while its admirable to ask a woman her opinion, its not profitable to do so in the area
of attraction, CAUSE A WOMAN HAS NO IDEA WHAT SHE WANTS OR WHAT AN ALPHA MAN IS...LOL.... women will say one thing
and do another...one minute they will like the guy with the muscles, next minute, its the bookworm, next minute, its
the rich guy, next minute, its fabio...seriously, women really have no clue as to what they want, so the only thing
is can agree with is be confident, be yourself and BE SURE that she wants to reciprocate your affections, cause they
are looking to YOU to decide what is best for them...LOL...yeah, i can hear all the ladies screaming out there, but
really, its all in WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT YOURSELF, they will follow your lead...they want your reality to overpower
theirs...if you are wearing that invisible sign on your chest that says "piss on me"..then you need to find a good
source of kleenix cause thats what will happen...the mones will give you a major advantage, but wont override your
self image, only enhance..how valuable you see yourself is how much she will value you.. of course, spraying some
edge around the room doesnt hurt i agree with Cpt Kipling...
Actually even confidence goes out the window withso the only thing is can
agree with is be confident, be yourself and BE SURE that she wants to reciprocate your affections, cause they are
looking to YOU to decide what is best for them...
some women. I've known several women--mostly nurses--that preferred whimpy nuttless shells of maniods. Why? They
got off totally on browbeating and bossing them around. I actually dated one for about a week before I decided I'd
rather date Mary Palms than her. Sheesh, her clit was almost as big as my dick. Alas, I know guys that married women
like that and totally lost their personally and self-respect: they walk, talk 'n dress as instructed. They carry
their wifes's purse in public, have a bumpersticker that says "I love my wife" and go shoe shopping together.
They're pussywhips deluxe. And it's more common than we like to admit.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
That's actually a very
insightful post Gegogi. It seems that men who have been in a relationship where they swallowed their pride and
forsaken their masculinity due to their overly strong feelings for women, then have the women betray them will often
develop personalities that are the exact opposite. In this case, they become shameless womanisers in the future and
would rather sleep with and dispose of their women rather than allow themselves to fall in love again. Personally
I've experienced this case and I admit I've become quite a bastard lately. Also a good example of this is the new
movie Casino Royale and the line: "The bitch is dead" at the end.
The same is true for women. After getting burnt
by a man they often develop over feministic tendencies in their later personalities.
I had not much time to reply this week, so this is (again) gonna be a long
one...
lol... So it ain't the Cptns work?Originally posted by CptKipling:
Hey you could have given me at least aOriginally Posted by Mungojerry
It is a poem called "if" by Rudyard Kipling. Its posted on thounsands of sites on the internet.
It is always a good one for sending a tingle down ones spine!
little time to bask in the adoration!
Back on topic...I think that most ideas for an alpha male can be pretty
much boiled down to Mungo's definition.
Well anyhow it's beautiful
And don't worry Cpt. you still have my respect lol
Anyhow I agree... Mungojerry's defenition was
the greatest soup that could be boiled
Still... I really liked the details in this next post... Check it
out:
GREAT post!Originally posted by Malboro_man:
Well I will list some qualities that cause such but it's
fair to say that these will change depending on location and culture. I don't believe an alpha male here will
instantly be an alpha somewhere else until he EARNS it.
Some qualities:
Honest: obviously needeed
Sincere: to earn the respect of others they must know you care.
Caring: Goes hand and hand with being
sincere.
Unique: Someone who people feel they have to get to know because they instantly can tell your
different.
Independent: Not afraid to travel or do alone. It amazes me how many people I know that won't
got to dinner or a mall by themselves.
Individual: Combines alot of previous stated things but I am using
it to refer to style. You appear how you want to and if you believe in it others will like it to.
Confident: If I need to explain this one to ya the rest is way too complicated.
Leader: ahh a tricky
one. A true alpha male will sit back and allow someone their moment of glory and then take back over the leadership
rule as soon as they are done. IMO 1 of the biggest failures of most people trying to be Alpha.
Those are some of
the qualities that I have seen in alpha males. My word to the wise, IF you aren't already alpha or close to it then
be prepared. You will often be challenged and how you handle it will confirm or deny your status just like in a wolf
pack. NO this does not need to involve a fist fight although some others may try to take that path with you!
One of the bests replys I ever got.
You state the actual qualities and even explain your
meaning to the detail. Beautiful.
Thanks!
Gegogi, what can I say? I disagree. I don't think the
wikipedia defenition is even close to the real thing
I'd say Malboro_man said it well, and I too would say
thataboutan alpha male is a leader who has earned the right to be followed
this...
Pfh... NOT.Nevertheless, he is the alpha-alpha male of the land, and I can't do jack squat about it.
Exactly.Originally posted by koolking1:
I respectively disagree. I would say that he's in the
alpha-alpha male position of all-time but he's hardly alpha himself.
I mean... Gegogi,
I agree
about what you say regarding money & power... They can't be so easily discharged. They affect us all in this world.
But still that simply doesn't make them an Alpha male. If you put them in an island without their money... would
they still have the power (AND respect)?
See my point?
Many people with power, money, and even fame, got them
because they're Alpha. But many others get them because they're jerks that just got the chances to step upon good
gentle people (surely not alphas thought lol). If those people had a real Alpha on their side... he would protect
them, not step on`em.
I'm starting to agree with Gegogi on this here: You are indeed an Alpha my friendOriginally posted by Malboro_man:
I adjust as necessary and realize
the only things that I can control are my interactions with people and the situations that I put myself in.
Now for you, Cullmanz
own...
Well, most of it is indeed (amongConfidence. It all boils down to confidence.
other things) about confidence. You got that right.
However...
Yes... That one's true.If you can find a man that never
get's nervous,No, no, no, no NO!never shows emotion, and has a
handle on his life and her life then you've found yourself an alpha.
That one
right there is a big mistake yo`!
Please don't take this personally, as I'm just trying to help
here...
But dude... That's SO wrong.
An Alpha, not only shows emotions, but he also knows when and
how to show them.
Yes, he has control over his emotions. I'll give you that much (and I'll actually assume
that's what you ment). But just so we have no misunderstandings here... It is important that a person knows
his emotions AND shows them.
He might not show ALL of his emotions, but if he shows NO emotions whatsoever - than
he had lost his will to live and\or comunicate - and therefor is not an Alpha.
Please get this down, my
friend. It's a mistake you don't wanna make. It costs dearly in the long run.
Again, I'm not assuming the
"know-all" role; I'm just trying to help
Wow, very nice defenition. Short and (so much) to the pointOriginally posted by CptKipling:
Beta males exist in
a world of scarcity and thus will compete over...pretty much everything, especially petty stuff. The alpha male just
sits back because he knows he owns everything.
Made me think. This is one to remember
I realize it should be obvious, yet it's really usefull to
put it in words sometimes.
LOL... Yeah, I wasn't really going to take the women's reactionsOriginally posted by Spiderweb:
CAUSE A WOMAN HAS NO IDEA WHAT SHE
WANTS OR WHAT AN ALPHA MAN IS...LOL....
as they are. I ment to analize them a bit using NLP, and see if I can come up with something. What I was aiming for
wasn't so much an answer to the question, but more of a structure. I wanted to see how much do women THINK they
know what they want (granted, men too don't always know what they want). And how confident they are in their
defenition... i.e. If they give a timeless defenition or if they say that it depends on such & such.
However, it
turned out to be a really interesting discussion & I decided to gladfully go along with it
I defenetly agree. Not only that, but I myself would look into what a woman thinks about herself, toOriginally posted by Spiderweb:
be confident, be yourself and BE SURE that she wants to
reciprocate your affections, cause they are looking to YOU to decide what is best for them...LOL...yeah, i can hear
all the ladies screaming out there, but really, its all in WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT YOURSELF, they will follow your
lead...
decide if she's for me (especially if we're talking about a long-term relationship).
I don't know if they always
want us to take the lead (nor would I always want her to take the lead); but I'm pretty sure they want that
possibility. We all wanna rest from life from time to time (i.e. let someone else lead for a while).
Hell Yeah!they
want your reality to overpower theirs...
well... in a way. I mean, yes, they want your reality
to overpower theirs, as much as they want theirs to overpower yours (and it's about the same from my point of
view). What they want is actually for your realities to blend perfectly. I'm saying this from observation & from
what I myself would want
Anyhow, Spiderweb, I'm happy to see you're posting replys in my thread
I've
been waiting for this moment.
I've read a lot of your posts & got a very good impression from ya`
Gegogi, back to you...
Yes, I've dated one such for two months.Actually even confidence goes out the window with some women.
I've known several women--mostly nurses--that preferred whimpy nuttless shells of maniods. Why? They got off
totally on browbeating and bossing them around. I actually dated one for about a week before I decided I'd rather
date Mary Palms than her. Sheesh, her clit was almost as big as my dick. Alas, I know guys that married women like
that and totally lost their personally and self-respect: they walk, talk 'n dress as instructed. They carry their
wifes's purse in public, have a bumpersticker that says "I love my wife" and go shoe shopping together. They're
pussywhips deluxe. And it's more common than we like to admit.
G*d Damn it, that's a bitch! (in the baddest way possible). The only thing that kept me a man in that relationship
was everything related to sex. She totally bent down in bed. She even brought me another woman to sleep with
(one she've already slept with before & knew she likes her p*ssy). But in reallity, I got to the
conclusion those women aren't worth it even if they're the bomb in bed. Too much emotional demage. Seriously...
You don't wanna attract these ones. I'm sure you agree. So better stay on the confidence, so as to not attract
them at all
So about that, I second what d3kst3r said
I hope it's ok with everyone that
I've replyed to each and every post this time
And keep posting. This has become trully interesting
Amen to all that. Back to
this beta male thing. I once saw myself as a beta but now that I've learned that whatever I want, I can get through
hard work and confidence, my need to impress others has died.
Now, I do what I want, and watch others bitch
about it.
"Freedom to change seems to come after acceptance of ourselves." -BT pg. 56
Originally Posted by Cullmanz Own
I've preached this for years around here. Hard work generally leads to success. Being
successful leads to GENUINE confidence. This is the real secret to attracting quality women. Too many people are
afraid of hard work and want instant success by using a pill, an E-book or a pheromone mix. Try the hard work method
and stop worrying about the Alpha-Beta silliness.
And some of you young guys could really learn from old
timer posts like Gegogi's. Yes, they can be somewhat vulgar, but get past that and digest the meat of the wisdom.
tongue, how old are you? just
curious...
by the way, merry xmas everyone, or merry holidays for the non-christians
Originally
Posted by Cullmanz Own
I've learned that whatever I want, I can get
through hard work and confidence, my need to impress others has died
Good on ya` lad. Great words
cccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc
Last edited by Mungojerry; 10-05-2015 at 08:14 AM.
Only I would changeto2)Don't negatively self talk
2) Positively
self talk.
otherwise, you're using negative words to try & promote positive thinking hehe
still...
TBlade. You stated what I
ment to comment on. I correct myself in saying that an alpha never shows emotion. What I ment to say was alpha males
never show emotions that most insecure men show such as emotional hurt.When I first began to 'change' myself, I
came to a great conclusion. We humans are tied to almost every aspect of our lives in some form of emotion. Most
NORMAL people (when experiencing a tragic downfall, ex. failing a test) will try to change the outcome of this
situation for the next time. When I fail a test, I study harder for the next one. This emotion of failure pushed me
to change myself. I let it all out all so that the next time a situation arose, I would be able to take control and
overcome this "obsticale".All together, in order for someone to become good at something, they must first fail at
it. SEVERAL times. Common sense right? Some people just don't seem to recognize how easy it is to change
yourself.
"Freedom to change seems to come after acceptance of ourselves." -BT pg. 56
Very good correction.
Well said my friend... The failure should be our friend (and become the change), not our enemy, which we dwell on.
This change of view is something I had to walk through myself...
cccccccccccccccccccccccc
Last edited by Mungojerry; 10-05-2015 at 08:14 AM.
Hey guys I love this
conversation and we must keep it going as there is a ton of great information being exchanged here. To those of you
who said I am an alpha, THANK YOU, but I also must say that re-reading this thread again I realized that there are
several Alpha's in this thread. Take time to re-read and watch how Alpha male's interact. it's really quite
amazing when you look at the dialogue. Contrary to steroetypical beliefs, it's not the need to argue that makes
you an alpha, rather it's the ability to be listened to while listening to others!!! It would be great if all of
us could get together and interact one time in public for the great alpha expierience and I believe we all would
learn immensely from one another.
Something I was thinking
about the other day that fits well into this conversation: It's very rare that someone is naturally an alpha.
Normally we go through stages until it just happens and we (if your like me) don't exactly know when it happened
but all of a sudden you look back and say to your self " Wow, I really am a great person and people love me"
I
have a test for everyone to try. Please take it seriously as it will only take a couple of seconds. DON'T read
ahead to the next post until you do this.
Ready,
I simply want you to yell at the top of your lungs
"I Love Myself!"
What was your
reaction???
Ok,
Now that you have taken the test I want to share my interpration of the results.
I figure
there are several normal outcomes.
1) you didn't do it because you were too lazy or couldn't yell. Please stop
reading now and try again later.
2) You didn't do it because you think this is stupid= Your choice but you
probably don't want to be better.
3) You did it but either wouldn't shout it or started laughing= Your don't
love yourself enough but keep trying (at least you had the nerve to try).
4) You did it and a very small smile came
across your face= Your on the right track but need more work. Keep on trying
5)Your had a big smile, started
nodding and probably got a fuzzy warm feeling deep inside= You are da man and very confident (chances are you knew
this test before you ever took it)
This is something I used to do to myself everyone once in a while (and still
do) and this really gauges what you feel about yourself on a new level. It's my confidence test and it's the
stages that I went through and it wasn't until I reached that last one until I knew what I was trying to
accomplish.
This is my confidence test (very applicable to this post) and I hope you enjoyed it.
I second that one.it's not the
need to argue that makes you an alpha, rather it's the ability to be listened to while listening to
others!!!
I have a great example of
someone insecure. I work in a grocery store as a stockman. We have an employee of Coca-Cola who comes an puts out
coke's stock.
Today I was using a crowbar at work when this particular fella decided he wanted to goof off a
bit. So I joked with him and he laughed. Then I jokingly threatened him with the crow bar.
This man, being in
his late 20s married with kids took me seriously, grabbed me (a 17 year old teenager) by the neck and told me
"Little pricks like you shouldn't be threating someone like me."
I pushed him off of me, and walked away
laughing. He later came back and told me that he was sorry and has a tendency to react to threats.
I have
respect for him for confronting me and appoligizing, but the need to fight seems a bit insecure. I myself have never
been in a fight and don't plan on it. I have no need to fight. Talking works much better.
"Freedom to change seems to come after acceptance of ourselves." -BT pg. 56
Hey blade, Did you do the test? Did you know it? What were your results?Originally Posted by tenaciousBLADE
Maybe he worked in law enforcement?He later came back and
told me that he was sorry and has a tendency to react to threats.
They tend to take any threat--even those obviously a joke or "what if"--as a life and death situation. One thing
I've learned in life, it's a bad idea to joke about inflicting serious damage with a crowbar or any other lethal
weapon. Those outside your peers--foreigners, older folks, women. etc--may not know you're joking and act
accordingly.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Last edited by Mungojerry; 10-05-2015 at 07:51 AM.
This is a fantastic
thread, with so many good comments. Thanks tBlade for cranking it up, and your comments along the way have been
very astute.
However, I've not seen the word humility written in this whole thread. Of course the opposite is
arrogance.
There are alphas in both camps.
An alpha is an alpha, by whatever definition. How that person
handles the position of leadership is really a more important question I think.
Humility is not weakness, it is
strength, and it allows for strength in others, and encourages it. An alpha does not fear the strength of others,
he has the confidence and ability to allow others to succeed under his leadership, and to recognize and assimilate
their strengths.
An arrogant alpha thinks only of himself, in business, in family, in life. Untempered by
humility he may abandon his family, stifle his best employees and die with no friends.
Personally I think alphas
are born and not created, the old "nature vs nurture" question. Either way, I know that a man can be raised to
respect and appreciate the lives around him, then again, an alpha boy is probably a handful!!
Thanks again Blade
for starting what's turned out to be a great thread. Too bad the women never got involved.
Greg
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Bookmarks