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    [QUOTE=CrystalMoon

    FYI bronzie -

    not all women are narcissistic. Sweeping generalisations like that, are NOT going to win you many female

    friends..

    Ail :-)[/QUOTE]




    Ail, I really think you post some terrific stuff at times. But

    I totally lose respect for you, when you post on other forums, that you people "over there" are so enlightened when

    it comes to pheromones, and pheromone technology. It really does not do anyone any good when you become so

    contentious over here and then run back to the enlightened place and whine about posters on these boards. Makes you

    look like a bit of a phony over here. Many people enjoy different phero forums and this pettiness on your part does

    not serve either or any pheromne business well at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tounge
    Ail, I really

    think you post some terrific stuff at times. But I totally lose respect for you, when you post on other forums, that

    you people "over there" are so enlightened when it comes to pheromones, and pheromone technology. It really does not

    do anyone any good when you become so contentious over here and then run back to the enlightened place and whine

    about posters on these boards. Makes you look like a bit of a phony over here. Many people enjoy different phero

    forums and this pettiness on your part does not serve either or any pheromne business well at all.


    <<TOUNGE>

    Anything new on the Wipes? It's the fem wipes that smells like bubble gum, say?
    Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOBLEYC57


    <<TOUNGE>

    Anything new on the Wipes? It's the fem wipes that smells like bubble gum, say?



    Don't know M&M. Been about 4 years since I used them and then only the men's. I

    thought they were decent. I hope that this response will be enlightening enough for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tounge
    Ail, I really think

    you post some terrific stuff at times. But I totally lose respect for you, when you post on other forums, that you

    people "over there" are so enlightened when it comes to pheromones, and pheromone technology. It really does not do

    anyone any good when you become so contentious over here and then run back to the enlightened place and whine about

    posters on these boards. Makes you look like a bit of a phony over here. Many people enjoy different phero forums

    and this pettiness on your part does not serve either or any pheromne business well at all.
    i have noticed

    that when someone pushes another persons buttons, its usually because they feel threatened.
    i dont see evidence

    from anyone but you finding crystalmoon comming across as anything but educated,and it seems you might be a little

    intimidated? i dont know. i actually find it "petty" that you would go out of your way to call someone petty ,LOL.


    maybe this is the alpha " if i insult a woman, the guys will think im cool" ?
    help me understand, i always

    thought you had alot to contribute

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    Quote Originally Posted by tounge
    Don't know

    M&M. Been about 4 years since I used them and then only the men's. I thought they were decent. I

    hope that this response will be enlightening enough for you.
    Nawh, Signor Tounge, you gave me

    everything but what I asked for ... get back inside the box. You're in Canada, right?

    Stoppit, Lor!

    He needs a hug.

    Anyone else have the million dollar answer ... fem wipes (bubble gum), males

    wipes (not)?
    Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lor
    i have noticed that when

    someone pushes another persons buttons, its usually because they feel threatened.
    i dont see evidence from anyone

    but you finding crystalmoon comming across as anything but educated,and it seems you might be a little intimidated?

    i dont know. i actually find it "petty" that you would go out of your way to call someone petty ,LOL.


    maybe this is the alpha " if i insult a woman, the guys will think im cool" ?
    help me understand, i always

    thought you had alot to contribute



    Cut the crap lady. You have no clue about

    my way of thinking on women. I deal on a daily basis with highly educated women. You are trying to cloud the point

    here lady.

    Your friend "Moon" is a hypocrite. After a couple of months of being dormant she kicked up the

    Love-Scent bashing thread on Harris's forum. There was no need for that. Many of us read as many phero sites as

    possible. What she is doing is not good for anyone involved. I enjoy reading everyone's point of view on the use of

    pheromnes, but when members of another place take an eliteist attitude and attribute to others their own behavior,

    than I call it as I see it. No one on any pheromone site has a momopoly on Pheromone useage and knowledge.

    I

    have used pheromones and related products for over 25 years, so I have a pretty good idea of what is what. Contrary

    to popular belief around these parts, pheromones are of major intrest to the authentic bio-science community. The

    people with no dog in the business side of the hunt are able to see things in alot more realistic and objective

    manner.

    I have used many of the products that Boyd sells as well as many that Harris sells. And many others.

    I have loyalty to what works for me.

    So before you come over here and make your silly little judgements take

    the plank out of your own eyes before you try to detect a speck in others.

    And Mobley I don't need a

    friggin hug. Why don't you look at things through a more realistic prism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tounge
    Cut the crap lady. You have no clue about my way of thinking on women. I deal on a daily basis with

    highly educated women. You are trying to cloud the point here lady.

    Your friend "Moon" is a hypocrite. After a

    couple of months of being dormant she kicked up the Love-Scent bashing thread on Harris's forum. There was no need

    for that. Many of us read as many phero sites as possible. What she is doing is not good for anyone involved. I

    enjoy reading everyone's point of view on the use of pheromnes, but when members of another place take an eliteist

    attitude and attribute to others their own behavior, than I call it as I see it. No one on any pheromone site has a

    momopoly on Pheromone useage and knowledge.

    I have used pheromones and related products for over 25 years, so I

    have a pretty good idea of what is what. Contrary to popular belief around these parts, pheromones are of major

    intrest to the authentic bio-science community. The people with no dog in the business side of the hunt are able to

    see things in alot more realistic and objective manner.

    I have used many of the products that Boyd sells as well

    as many that Harris sells. And many others. I have loyalty to what works for me.

    So before you come over here

    and make your silly little judgements take the plank out of your own eyes before you try to detect a speck in

    others.

    And Mobley I don't need a friggin hug. Why don't you look at things through a more realistic

    prism.
    Mobley, i think your right *hugs tounge* he is really an angry man, sounds like he doesnt

    value women's opinions, especially if they do not mesh with his own.
    im cool when people disagree with my

    opinions, i know not everyone will have my same experience. they are entitled to their own as well. everyone here

    might know a little something too, even if we havent been playing with pheromones for 25 + years.
    i will try to be

    more respectful of you in the future, after all you are crying out for it.
    i do however respect Ail ,we have not

    always agreed but she gives an opinion without attacking/insulting.

    i would like to order some peace and love

    pheromones, maybe something called hippydayz.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tounge
    And Mobley I

    don't need a friggin hug. Why don't you look at things through a more realistic prism.
    Realistic prism

    ... Hmmmmm that's a tuffy. Where did you purchase yours? Take it back, I think you got ripped off! I'll

    leave well enough alone. Still ... get back in the box, you're dangerous thinking out of it.


    Now

    back to the previously scheduled program ... fem wipes ... anyone? anyone? Bronzie?
    Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lor
    Mobley, i think your

    right *hugs tounge* he is really an angry man, sounds like he doesnt value women's opinions, especially if

    they do not mesh with his own.
    im cool when people disagree with my opinions, i know not everyone will have my

    same experience. they are entitled to their own as well. everyone here might know a little something too, even if we

    havent been playing with pheromones for 25 + years.
    i will try to be more respectful of you in the future, after

    all you are crying out for it.
    i do however respect Ail ,we have not always agreed but she gives an opinion without

    attacking/insulting.

    i would like to order some peace and love pheromones, maybe something called

    hippydayz.....
    He woke up from a bashing nightmare perhaps? He does seem a little tight in the a$$

    about something, but I can't, for the life of me, seem to figure it out. O'well seeyall!
    Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!

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    Tounge isn't angry, he's

    blunt and honest. Him and I have had a few disagreements over the years but I can say he's one of the most honest

    people on this forum. When he sees a duck he calls it a duck and its usually worthwhile to pay attention to his

    observations. He doesn't miss much.

    The best thing to do, of course, is to go visit that 'enlightened forum'

    and read for yourselves and make your own judgments about his comments.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    this duck needs no forum as

    her soap-box,so i bid you all adieu.
    may it become so much more wise for my having left
    cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woofa1
    Is that so

    bronzie. I am into the spirutual stuff and co. And was thinking of contributing more regurly. Now im a bit scared?

    Actually what do you think, moderator? Some advice needed.

    Cheers
    What's the question? Your welcome

    and encouraged to contribute. There are no hidden agendas or unspoken rules here. If you read the rules and the

    basic guidelines in any forum, you can't go wrong. Also, with the exception of some really egregious actions, if

    there is a problem we'll say something to you in private before doing anything else. Please don't hesitate to

    contribute.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    Default bronzie and others

    Getting back to

    the excite wipes, i think maybe the concentrations mones on each wipe was just right for the effects they had.

    After all Dr.d is right up there with the best. Truly great product that one.

    Now can anyone give me a true

    opininion of a314. I feel there is not many mones in a314, nice smell though. Any takers on this.

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    Some people claim great results

    with it. Personallly, I saw absolutley nothing with it by itself. As a means of mellowing TE it seems to be

    moderately useful.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    Woofa, I cant smell a single

    .mone in a314, nothing, smell is nice.

    I bought it because I want to be James Bond, or live like him at

    least, im suprised that a314 web page doesnt promise, for your car to turn into an Aston Martin, while wearing the

    stuff.

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    Yes,my opinion to this

    product. on its own.
    And i have been wearing it for 2 weeks is that the product does nothing for me at all.

    I

    have seen the site promoting this product, and to tell you the truth it is a bit over the top. James Bond effect,

    now come on. Bronzie do you know who makes it? In a nutshell to overpriced as starters.

    And i am very skeptical

    if it infact, has a concentration of mones in it. I leave it at that.But thanks again guys for giving me a true

    indication as to its effect?

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    Yeah Woofa no results from my

    side either, its from a company called Andriotics. And just to say something, if this product is anything to go by,

    im highly scepticle of thier other product line.

    Yes Woof, the marketing page promoting a314 is over the top,

    and is reminisent of a b grade spam web page, anyone with half a brain can understand its all just

    bull.

    Woof, have you tried it in combo? maybe do that....as many have reported good results in combo, its

    supposed to tone down if your wearing .none

    good post woof!

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    OK, so I went offline

    for a few weeks only to come back and find that Tounge and Bronzie have apparently driven Ail and Lor off this

    forum.

    This is idiotic and shameful.

    These intelligent, perceptive, and respectable, insightful ladies were

    an asset to this group and for some unknown reason there has apparently been no attempt at recovering their loyalty,

    their input, their membership, their respect or their business.

    Not that I believe Bronzie and Tounge

    now have any right to their respect, but I thought this forum was moderated fairly and impartially, and assumed that

    personal attacks were intolerable. Since this is obviously not the case, and I haven't seen any attempt at

    moderation on the part of any moderators or forum members - other than Mobley who seems to be the only real Alpha

    Male in this crowd - I think I will be taking MY loyalty, membership, respect, writing and

    money... elsewhere.

    But before Bronzie jumps in with a personal attack about how I apparently have too

    much time on my hands, I want this to be understood... I don't have very much time on my hands - but my hands

    are always on my keyboard. I am a medical education writer in addition to a healthcare professional. So I spend most

    of my free time at my computer, and it is now always online. I keep my browsers tabs open to several forums 24/7

    and alternate between my research software, writing software, and these forums. That's why I post at odd hours

    and respond quickly when people post responses.

    My writing generates a fair deal of repeat visits to my

    blog/thread and I will be taking it elsewhere, along with my money and quite possibly a few eyeballs. This may not

    impact this forum very much but I think that in the long run, unfair moderation and
    a general attitude of

    disrespect towards women is NOT an intelligent or positive business practice.

    Bruce, I respect you, I thank you,

    and I hope your business evolves beyond this point. Quickly.

    Belgareth, it was interesting chatting with you

    but as a moderator you need to be more detached.

    E-mail me when this partisan, combative, immature atmosphere of

    disrespect blows over. As of right now I don't want to be a part of this anymore.

    BFN,
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    Gabe, I like your postings and

    experiments. Wherever you post, I'll read, and if I have a useful reply I'll post it.

    Noone has the right to

    rubbish another person's opinion, or delve in attacks.

    Products wise, there are two, maybe three companies that

    I trust, Love-Scent being one of them. It shouldn't be a taboo to mention another like . I trust those

    companies ethics, quality products.

    Forum wise, before my time it seems there was an avalanche sometime ago of

    other companies promoting competing products here, which understandably resulted in some heavy moderation. This

    seems to have had some authentic users getting mixed with that, unjust in some cases.

    But I will give it to the

    forum moderation now, I can see some reasonable mention of competing products, being compared with objectivity, and

    that is a good sign that I hope would remain. I can tell you that alone made me make a new order from the shop

    here.

    There is still some unwarranted person to person challenges. I do not see the point really, since this is

    new science, noone can claim mastery of it, nor more so, putting down others' opinions.

    We should listen more,

    not tell others what they should think, or belittle them, newbie or expert alike. Those who think are superior, just

    spare us.

    That is my opinion.

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    I cannot comment on all of the

    details of the previous post, nor do I want to. However, I can't help but aggree with the comment about women. I am

    here becuase I like to attract women and I like playing around with this stuff. But there is a lot of mention of

    cheating on here and pure disrespect to women. I am here becuase I want to get a good girl. I am sure people will

    not like me for posting this, but I had to. I like it here, but when I read about others seducing their friends

    wives ect.... It makes me feel bad for the person they call a friend.

    I am not going anywhere.

    I feel like I

    am part of this community. And I really like it here.

    I am not commenting on the moderation because I have not

    payed any attention, however I will say this, there are a few times where something becomes personal bashing, and I

    have seen moderators step in. But there is a few domaniant posters on here that could ease up a bit, but its nothing

    that will take me away from here unless it gets bad. And I hope my comments haven't provoked anything.

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    We're trying to lock in what

    phero's do, and how to do it. We talk doses, products, specific phero's, mixes, situations etc .. That is the

    interesting part.

    What individuals use that for, is a different matter .. I usually isolate that from the

    above.

    I can drive my car to work, tow the boat, or drag race it. Ford can't influence none of those.

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    Post Dont get hung up on details...

    here is what i think
    1st- moderation does happend (did you see my post about this tread ?)
    2nd-

    some forum are badly managed
    this one seams nice
    3- who says Lor & her friend are gone?
    4-i didnt see any

    moderation on that tread where they where bashing at each other...
    5-im here to learn about pheromones
    7-not to

    wine about "my point of view" & im sorry to actualy do ..
    8-yes it does help to have some womens around to see

    what theire take is on this & that ...


    9- & most important : Tanks for posting to all especialy to that

    "short fat guy" gabe.


    To all of you who think there was some mismanagment of this forum think

    about this : if you log onto Undernet & say "im looking for a lady" in the #montreal channel you get kiked & banned

    while ppl wrambling & pissing off each other dont get any attention &/or pollute the chat room with stupidities that

    is what i call mismanagment ...

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    No matter what the mods do they

    have a difficult path to tread. On one hand, we demand freedom of expression. On the other hand, we wish to be

    protected from frickin' horse's arses and flame jobs. I think this forum is managed well. It ain't open season on

    noobs and dips and yet we don't want this forum overly sanitized and policed. Too much policing would kill the free

    exchange of ideas.

    I think a year or two ago the mods were more proactive and banned many members for

    infractions. It made for a less combatant forum but also a boring and less active one. I get the impression the mods

    are more tolerant than years past but will ultimately boot you if you really ask for it. Still, it's a lot more

    restrained and polite than the real world. Sheesh, Gabe if a few remarks from a jerk or two gets your goat this

    easily, your real life will surely be a livin' hell.

    I haven't noticed Lor MIA but I've been busy and

    haven't kept up as much as I used to.
    "I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi

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    Gabe, I have not driven Lor or

    Ail off this forum, I believe this might be a figment of your imagination, in fact, not to name names, but I have

    gained the friendship/respect of many members and we communicate off this forum.

    I didn't even know you

    existed until I just read your post, desite what you think, alot of us that post on this forum do have a life, and

    don't actually take it as serious as you seem to have just done, and I agree with the above poster, if you display

    so much sensitivity in here, I dont want to imagine how sensitive you are in the real world, very difficult

    indeed.

    Just a wake up call, this is a internet forum, not a social setting, or a bar or a club, and if you

    dont want to read my posts or any others for that matter, there is a little feature called ignore, it will screen

    out those that seem to effect your sensitivities. I believe you can find this in your profile settings.

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    I'd like to thank all of you

    for your kind words and reasonable attitudes. We do try hard to keep this a good place for people to come and talk

    freely. But for moderators, its a no win situation no matter what we do or how we try. I am the first to tell you

    that I have no idea what I am doing and am always willing to listen to any suggestion made. I've solicited

    suggestions in the past and a number of people here have been kind enough to share their thoughts and ideas with me.

    It is always appreciated.

    In a way the forum is a microcosm of the real world. There's always a group who wants

    it their own way no matter how it affects others. They are the ones crying the loudest about freedom of speech and

    expression and are also the first to demand anybody who disagrees with them be suppressed. They are also the ones

    who become the most indignant when somebody has the temerity to disagree with them. We've seen a number of examples

    of that here.

    Gegogi, you are right that we are less proactive than we were, with reason. A while back, around

    the time you joined the forum, there were a few members who trashed the new members, pulled every serious thread off

    track with horseplay and otherwise made it unpleasant for those who wanted to use the forum to discuss pheromones.

    We had to come down hard on them and once the problem was resolved we backed off. None of us want to be dictators or

    anything else. With few exceptions, banning has always been a group decision made after the person was warned

    repeatedly. I can honestly say that there has never been an arbitrary banning. Rather, we go to considerable lengths

    to avoid that action whenever possible.

    There's a lot that went on behind the scenes recently and some pretty

    sleazy things done by some of the biggest whiners. But, the majority of the people here are a great lot that I've

    had the pleasure of learning from and sharing with. I'd like it to stay that way.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    Just want to say, I read this

    post from the start, just now, it seems, if you do come across as sensitive in this post, I think I understand the

    reason, I don't know you, but sometimes with alot of forum members, what I have gathered is what we write on here

    is often amplified with what is going on in our personal life. A kind of of inflated ego, persona, or whatever you

    want to call it. People in reality, and ive met alot in my time using the net, are quite normal off it, in most

    cases that is, you get the odd exception.

    I have met people from other forums, a big gathering in one case,

    people thought I was an jerk because that is what I was like on that particular forum, when they met me, they

    couldnt believe thier eyes, they all loved me.

    Get my drift...

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    Let's call a spade a spade. There

    is an agenda going on here. There is another Phero website/business that is competing (or thinks it is) with

    Love-Scent. Many of the banned LS people have found a cozy home over there. More power to them. Also many cross post

    to both forums, God Bless them.

    However a few of the dissatisfied, that still have posting priviledges here,

    decide to bring back an anti LS thread. I called out these phonies on their bullshit. I can understand the banned

    members letting out some of their frustration. It's human nature, but some of the phonies decided to ressurect and

    post new anti LS threads. That in my opinion is a sleazy way to do business. Have some of your lackeys PM people

    over here and tell them about the more "enlightned" place is crap. Promote your website by putting out a better

    product. There is no need to tear other places up.

    I have taken the time to post to help people like Gabe,

    and I never chased anyone out of here. Never insulted Ail becuase she was a women. But pointed out her phony

    actions. Nothing to do with her femaleness. These people are very disingenious and it doesn't help the LS forums to

    have them spread their venom . The moderators know a hell of a lot more of what goes on behind the scene that most

    do here. And I for one hope the whiners keep their word and don't bother with the LS forums anymore.

    I

    don't have anymore time to waste on these frauds, but you people need to see the agenda that is being played out by

    one business on another. The only jerks here are the ones that have an agenda. Too bad so many are blind to the

    truth.

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    Gegogi.

    I'm posting this reply because I hate being misinterpreted more than anything else in this world. I don't think

    I'm overly sensitive but of course, i can be wrong. I have other reasons for my actions. The remarks aren't what

    "got my goat", the general atmosphere of disrespect and animosity is what's turned me off and embarrassed me. Think

    of it as me walking away from a pointless argument between friends. I may eventually be back. But not soon, and

    definitely not with as much enthusiasm. And Gegogi, I still think SOE smells like the ass of a swamp ape.



    Bronzie, you're right in one case - the written word is often not the best medium. In your writing to me

    you come off as condescending and presumptive - at least regarding my understanding of the internet and forums...

    but you say that you don't come across as a "jerk" in person. I haven't met you in person, so I'm going to assume

    this is true, but I'm also not one to use labels like "jerk" to begin with. As an aside, I don't think that my

    online persona is any different than my "real world" personality. The only difference is that I find it's easier to

    express myself fully in writing because I can organize my thoughts in a detailed fashion before expressing them, I

    can edit them for impact, and I can go on and on and on... without being interrupted. Other than that, I am exactly

    the same in reality as I am here. So if I ever meet anyone else offline, there will not be any surprises other than

    my bad breath.

    Having said that, I think it's necessary for me to state unambiguously that the reason I'm

    taking a "leave of absence" is that you're not the only one to have offline or outside relationships with both

    other forum members and non-members who regularly read this forum, but you apparently do not have offline

    relationships with the same female readers that I do.

    Your posts on both sites, and the flavor of posts on this

    site in general, often are demeaning to those females. You have the right to your opinion, but I also have

    real-world reasons to walk away when things get out of hand.

    Belgareth and Tounge. Thanks for all of the

    help and information you've given me. I obviously have no way of knowing what's going on behind the scenes.

    I also have no time to find out what's happened in the past. I only know what I've seen lately and that is what

    I'm acting upon.

    The rivalry between the two sites is none of my business and I don't want any part of it,

    but I do want to continue "blogging" about my experiences. My new blog was set up by the rival website but it is not

    sponsored, edited, or managed by them. I've set up the blog account but have not written anything for it yet. I

    have monday off, so I will probably spend the afternoon working on my first post.

    You won't find me writing

    about other forum members anywhere (at least not on my blog and not without also PM'ing them and being good-natured

    about it) and you won't find me dragging Lovescents name through the mud anywhere. You also won't find me giving

    advice. All I will do, as I have done in the past, is ramble on about my own pheromone experiences.
    I can always be

    reached through IM on AOL's Instant Messenger, screen-name ImGabe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe1970
    The rivalry

    between the two sites is none of my business and I don't want any part of it, but I do want to continue "blogging"

    about my experiences.


    You won't find me writing about other forum members (at least not without also

    PM'ing them and being good-natured about it) and you won't find me dragging Lovescents name through the

    mud.
    Can't say it any better than that, Gabe!

    As long as this world spins ... there will be

    fakes/flakes, so let'em be. I do my best to mind my OWN business! Should be a way of life, but it's

    not. I ain't no duck!
    Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!

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    I apparently edited my post as

    Mobley was posting, thus the quoting discrepancy. I added a link to my blog.

    Take care Mobley,
    Gabe


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